Lets look at this all over again shall we?`

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Peace

Here is david ickes take on what is going on. While i think he makes errors here and there, and perhaps is a little to colourfull, just like tabloid press, he pose some very important questions that should make you go "hmmmmm?!". And if it doesnt, you really need to rethink it again.
Icke has mainly based his research on Jordan Maxwell, who is the most knowledgable man into the occult, outside of it (if that is what he is). And both is a good starting point to start researching, because not everything is what we think it is. If we accept the fact that there are no such thing as coincidence, how do we explain this;

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Code of Communication

The initiates of the secret society network have always had a code of communication through certain phrases, words, funny handshakes and symbols.

There are also a series of Brotherhood signatures which form their secret language and these are all around us every day.

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THE FLAME OR LIGHTED TORCH
Their most used symbols is the lighted torch, the symbol of knowledge and the Sun. When an initiate reaches a certain level in the pyramid they are said to be illuminated, more symbolism of the lighted torch. One of the recurring stories in the ancient world is of a hero figure who takes fire (knowledge) from the gods and gives it to the people - the chosen few people, that is. The Watchers (extraterrestrials) called Azazel and Shemyaza were among those who gave advanced knowledge to humans, according to the Book of Enoch.

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Greek god ~ Prometheus

The most famous symbol of these Watchers is the Greek god, Prometheus, who was said to have emerged from the Caucasus Mountains.In many ways he was another Jesus figure who died for the people.

At the Rockefeller Center in New York today is a gold statue of Prometheus (gold, the solar metal of the gods) and he is holding the light, the fire, in line with the legend. To the Rockefellers this is not just a statue, it is a symbol of the whole scam they are involved in.

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Statue of Liberty - Semiramis

The Statue of Liberty is another Brotherhood symbol highlighting the lighted torch. The Statue of Liberty is actually the Statue of Liberties - the liberties perpetrated on the American people by the Brotherhood. There she stands on her island in New York Harbour holding her torch of freedom and Americans believe she is the symbol of their liberty in the Land of the Free. Nothing could be further from the truth. The Statue of Liberty was given to New York by French Freemasons and her mirror image stands on an island in the River Seine in Paris These statues of liberty are representations of Queen Semiramis and Isis et al, with the rays of the Sun around her head. The ancients symbolised the Sun in this way. And they are not holding the torch of liberty, but the torch of the illuminated ones, the reptilian Elite.

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Brotherhood Signature

The torch is the most obvious Brotherhood signature. When the Brotherhood assassinated President Kennedy in 1963, they put a lighted torch, the eternal flame which has burned to this day, on his grave in the Arlington Cemetery. After the murder in Dallas the Freemasons erected an obelisk in Dealey Plaza a few yards from the spot where Kennedy was shot. At the top they placed a depiction of the lighted torch.

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Symbol of Eternal Flame
When Diana, Princess of Wales, was murdered in the Pont de L~Alma Tunnel in Paris, the shrine to her, where people left flowers, became a large gold symbol of the very eternal flame held by the two Statues of Liberty, which just happened to be on top of the tunnel where her car crashed into the 13th pillar. Just a coincidence! On the island where she is said to be buried, they have placed yet another depiction of a lighted torch.

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Olympic Torch

The Brotherhood are telling us that they killed Kennedy and Diana, but unless you understand their symbolic language, you do not know. The lighted torch in the Olympic Games has the same meaning.

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The Pyramid

Another key Brotherhood symbol is the pyramid or the pyramid with the capstone missing.

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Dealey Plaza

The street plan of Dealey Plaza where Kennedy was killed is shaped like a pyramid with the capstone missing and Dealey actually means Goddess Line as in Dea (goddess) and ley (ley line).

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U.S. Pyramid

The pyramid with the capstone missing, or the pyramid and all seeing eye, is most famously depicted on the reverse of the Great Seal of the United States and the dollar bill. The all seeing eye is the eye of Horus, Lucifer, Satan, whatever name you want to use

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Eye of Horus

According to Egyptian legend, Osiris was murdered by Set and Set was killed by Horus who lost an eye in the process, hence the Eye of Horus. The 33rd degree Freemason and Black Nobility president, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, had this symbol printed on the dollar bill from 1933. It was a symbol of secret societies in Europe long before anyone heard of the United States and it is awash with Freemasonic and secret society symbolism going back to the ancient world.

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U.S. Great Seal

The number of states in America at the time of independence, 13, was no coincidence. Thirteen, the sacred twelve and one, is an ancient mystical number as we have seen throughout this book. On the two sides of the Great Seal you find 13 stars above the head of the eagle. The motto E Pluribus Unum has 13 letters, as does Annuit Coeptis. The eagle holds 13 leaves with 13 berries in its right talon and 13 arrows in the left. There are 72 stones (another mystic number) on the pyramid arranged in 13 rows. The eagle evolved from the symbol of the phoenix, the sacred Sun bird of the ancient Egyptians and Phoenicians and the Native American version is the thunderbird. Manly P. Hall, the Freemasonic historian, says that the original seal included the phoenix and it is known that one design for the Great Seal submitted by William Barton in 1782 included a phoenix sitting on a nest of flames.

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Janus - Two Faced God

The symbol of the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry is the double eagle with a head looking in both directions - the symbol of the Babylonian Nimrod - and later known as Janus, the two headed (two faced) god.

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Two Headed Eagle

This same symbol appears in at least two portraits of George Washington. The eagle is a widely used Brotherhood symbol and it can be found on the coats of arms of many countries, including Egypt, Libya and Iraq. It was a major symbol for the Nazis in Germany and it appears in the designs of pulpits and lecterns used by the Christian Church. Seals like the one used in the Great Seal of the United States can be traced back to at least 4,000 BC in Egypt, Babylon, Assyria and India. Our old friends, in other words. The first English Royal pendant seal was that of Edward the Confessor, who ruled between 1042 and 1066. This became a model for all future British and American seals.

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1776

The Latin words above and below the pyramid on the Great Seal/dollar bill announce the arrival of a new secular order. The New World Order is the insider name for the Brotherhood Agenda and George Bush used the term profusely when he was president. The date written in Latin on the bottom of the pyramid, 1776, is thought, understandably, to relate to the American Declaration of Independence in that year. But something else happened on May 1st (a date beloved by Satanists) in that same year of 1776. A very significant strand in the Brotherhood network was officially launched called the Bavarian Illuminati by the German professor, Adam Weishaupt.

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Bavarian Illuminati

Adam Weishaupt used his Illuminati to further infiltrate Freemasonry. Weishaupt was trained as a Jesuit, the Society of Jesus. The founder of the Jesuits, the Spaniard Ignatius Loyola, formed a secret society within this apparently Catholic order and the initiates were called the Alumbrados, the enlightened, the illuminated. Weishaupt created 13 degrees of initiation in his Illuminati (the same as the number of levels on the Great Seal pyramid) and the key personnel were to be found in the top nine degrees. Many people get confused between the Illuminati (the network that spans thousands of years) and the Bavarian Illuminati, which was just one significant secret society within the network.

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British Intelligence
The Pyramid and All Seeing Eye is also used as the symbol of MI5, part of the British Intelligence. Of course it is, British Intelligence is a centre of the Illuminati intelligence web

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THE OBELISK AND THE DOME

The obelisk and the dome are common sights in the monuments and buildings of the Brotherhood. The obelisk is an ancient phallic symbol of the male energy and solar energy and the dome represents the female or moon energy. Often they are placed together or close to each other. In ancient Egypt, the obelisk, dome, and five-pointed star together was their symbol for the star, Sirius.

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Cleopatras Needle

The obelisk also symbolises the penis of the Egyptian Sun god, Osiris. According to legend, after Osiris had been sliced its into pieces by his rival, Set, the Queen Isis found all the pieces except his willy. The Zulu shaman and official historian, Credo Mutwa, details a similar story related to the penis of the chief of the Chitauri reptilians in African legends. An obelisk claimed to come from Alexandria in Egypt stands in Central Park, New York, and its twin was erected in the 19th century, during the reign of Queen Victoria, on the former Templar lands alongside the River Thames not far from the Houses of Parliament. It is known as Cleopatras Needle and originally stood in On (Heliopolis), the Egyptian City of the Sun, from at least 1500 BC, before it was moved to Alexandria.

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Sphinx in London

Sphinx have been placed on both sides of Cleopatras Needle at its London

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Obelisks

An Egyptian obelisk which was built in Luxor 3,200 years ago now stands in the Place de Concorde in Paris, less than a minutes drive from the scene of Dianas crash. On the other side of the crash scene is the Eiffel Tower, another gigantic obelisk in disguise. The Washington Monument in Washington DC is a colossal obelisk.

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the Dome - Place of the Gods

The dome (from a Greek word meaning Place of the Gods) draws in and harnesses energy, as does the pyramid. So often you find that the great cathedrals are built around a massive dome because their builders and designers understood the power of geometry to focus energy in one spot. The vast golden dome on the Islamic shrine on Temple Mount in Jerusalem, the dome of St Peters at the Vatican in Rome, and the Church of Santa Maria which dominates the skyline of Florence, are obvious examples of this.

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Sir Christopher Wren

Look around the major Brotherhood cities and you will find they have at least one major domed building. In the City of London you have St Pauls Cathedral designed by the initiate Sir Christopher Wren after the Great Fire of London had destroyed the original city. The mirror of St Pauls Cathedral is in Paris and known as the Pantheon.

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Capitol Building - Washington DC

Look at the Congress building in Washington DC and you will find that it is another St Pauls.

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The Vatican
In Rome there is the dome at the Vatican, that ancient site of Mithra (Sun) worship, and alongside the dome you find obelisks in St. Peters Square.

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Millennium Dome

In London the Millennium Dome has been built next to the Greenwich zero longitude time-line which runs through the nearby Greenwich Observatory, which was also, incidentally, designed by Sir Christopher Wren. It is to this point in the world that all the watches, clocks, and time zones (therefore the collective human mind) are tuned and we view the universe from the same time-perspective. The measurement used in the Greenwich time-grid is solar time. On the other side of the River Thames, opposite the Millennium Dome, is the biggest building and obelisk in Europe, the Canary Wharf building. Again in the Brotherhood cities you will invariably find a skyscraper shaped like an obelisk because of the effect that has on the energy field.

STREET PLANS
The street plans of major cities are designed under the laws of sacred geometry in the same way that the great cathedrals, temples and stone circles were.

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Symbols, shapes and angles
As with the City of London after the Great Fire of 1666, the new city of Washington DC was designed according to these laws. Symbols, shapes and angles generate different energies and if you understand these principles you can vibrate the energy field of a place to the vibrational range you deem most suitable for what you wish to achieve there. Anyone living or working within that field will be affected by it. You can also focus solar and other astrological energies in that place.

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Washington DC
I found Washington one of the most unpleasant energies I have ever encountered outside the Square Mile in the City of London. A French Freemason, Major Pierre Charles L'Enfant, was engaged to create the new Washington, and his work was based on plans officially prepared by leaders like Thomas Jefferson and George Washington, although others with greater esoteric understanding would have been the real architects.

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Capitoline Hill

Capitol Hill, named after the sacred place of the Roman secret societies called Capitoline Hill. It was no surprise, therefore, that the United States Secretary of State, Madeleine Albright, the high priestess of American politics, should make a pilgrimage to Capitoline Hill on her first official visit to Europe after her appointment.

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St. Paul's Crypt
Capitol Hill is not a political building, it is a temple to the Satanic Brotherhood and underneath its St Paul's dome is a crypt room. Beneath the floor of the crypt, marked by a pentagram star, is a vacant tomb.

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Washington Symbols

Within the Washington street plan, centred on Capitol Hill and the White House, are astrological symbols (which relate exactly to where certain constellations appear in the sky), hexagrams, Satanic pentagrams, squares, a Masonic compass, a Spear of Destiny, a skull and bones and scores of others.

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Washington Streets

For more information and illustrations I strongly recommend an excellent book by Charles L. Westbrook Jr called The Talisman Of The United States, Signature Of The Invisible Brotherhood.

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Solar Signs - Washington
Roads and key buildings in Washington relate to the points where the Sun rises at the winter and summer solstice, just as the ancient mounds, temples and stone circles like Stonehenge, were designed to. Other streets cross at precisely 33 degrees and still others mark the precession of the equinoxes, and there is a hexagram or Star of David.

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California Grove

I describe in The Biggest Secret how the Elite of America and further afield gather at the Bohemian Grove in Northern California and take part in ceremonies under a 40 foot stone owl. The owl is symbolic of Moloch or Molech, the ancient deity to which children were, and are, sacrificed. Indeed, the word Molech or Moloch literally means sacrifice and may not have been a deity, but merely a word.

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Bohemian Grove

In this picture you will see the grovers performing a ceremony at Bohemian Grove before the giant owl.

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Owl of Washington DC
How interesting that when I was looking at a map of Washington I found that the roads within the grounds of the Congress Building make the very clear symbol of an owl!

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Owl in the Dollar

You also find that the owl is sitting on a pyramid. The pyramid and all seeing owl. The same owl symbol can be found hidden on the dollar bill if you know where to look and you have a very powerful magnifying glass.

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The Pentagon

Similar Satanic pentagrams can be identified in the street plan of Rome, the old city of Jerusalem, the land around Rennes-le-Chateau in Southern France so beloved of the Knights Templar, the pyramid site at Giza, and no doubt over London and other cities and sites. Across the Potomac River from Washington is the home of the United States military - the Pentagon Building which was aligned to the constellation of Taurus. A pentagon, of course, is the centre of a pentagram.

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Rising Sun

This building has the feel of an Egyptian temple with two depictions of the Sphinx outside and a massive image of the rising Sun (Horus). The 33rd degree is known as the Revolutionary Degree and most heads of government are 33rd degree Freemasons even though they will be keen to deny this or keep it quiet. It is an honorary degree and they will have made an oath of loyalty to Freemasonry that overrides their oath to their nation.

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Mason Washington

In the garden behind this building I saw through the hedge a bust of George Washington celebrating him as the first Freemason President of the United States.

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Sphinx

The Supreme Headquarters Building is home to the biggest collection of Freemason relics in the world (and that's only the members).

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THE CROSS AND THE CIRCLE
The ancient symbol of the circle and the cross symbolises, in part, the Sun's progress through the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac, the cross and circle with the Sun on the cross.

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Celtic Cross

The cross and the circle have inspired the Celtic cross.

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CIA ~ NATO

The logo of NATO and the emblem of the CIA both have the symbol of the cross and zodiac circle.

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The Black Sun
In the City of London financial district opposite St Paul's Cathedral, I also found the symbol above. It is a zodiac circle with a black sun at the centre. This building was designed originally for the Financial Times newspaper and the face on the black sun is that of Winston Churchill.

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Arch of Triumph
The street plan of Paris, dominated by the Arc or 'arch' de Triomphe, is the same symbolism.

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Arc de Triomphe
The Arc de Triomphe is placed at the centre of a circle from which 12 roads go out across Paris. On the road circle around the Arc de Triomphe are 12 points on the road making a 12-pointed star. Again the sun at the centre of the circle broken up into 12 segments.

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Champ Elysees
When you turn and look the other way, again dead straight, you look down the Champs Elysees to the 3,200 year old Egyptian obelisk in the Place de Concorde.

Ok more will follow, and this is what i mean with the question no one has dared to answer or bothered yet. Whom's system do you chose?

Ordo ab chaos, OR Islam! The choice is moving real close, and the next post will put light on why.

[unknownuser]

This is very deep and very real...Are you aware that on the grounds of the Washington Capitol, there is a statue of a gentleman named Albert Pike. Look up who Albert Pike is and hopefully more of this will make sense. The mafia and the KKK (freemason organizations) all trace back to this man named Albert Pike. The masonic headquarters is coincidently also on the grounds of the Washington Capitol. Why is that? But please look up this man named Albert Pike, who they say had more power than US Presidents!!! He has hospitals and elementary schools and highways as well as colleges named after him. Is it true that the White House was named after illuminati founder Adam Weisehaupt (pronounced, wise-howt). Weisehaupt means "white chief".

This is how powerful Albert Pike was...He laid down the blueprint of 3 World Wars for the New World Order to come into fruition. Secret societies exists bigtime!!! This is an exerpt from his writings pertaining to the World wars. This was written in the 1800s!!!

The First World War must be brought about in order to permit the Illuminati to overthrow the power of the Czars in Russia and of making that country a fortress of atheistic Communism. The divergences caused by the "agentur" (agents) of the Illuminati between the British and Germanic Empires will be used to foment this war. At the end of the war, Communism will be built and used in order to destroy the other governments and in order to weaken the religions." 2

Students of history will recognize that the political alliances of England on one side and Germany on the other, forged between 1871 and 1898 by Otto von Bismarck, co-conspirator of Albert Pike, were instrumental in bringing about the First World War.

"The Second World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences between the Fascists and the political Zionists. This war must be brought about so that Nazism is destroyed and that the political Zionism be strong enough to institute a sovereign state of Israel in Palestine. During the Second World War, International Communism must become strong enough in order to balance Christendom, which would be then restrained and held in check until the time when we would need it for the final social cataclysm." 3

After this Second World War, Communism was made strong enough to begin taking over weaker governments. In 1945, at the Potsdam Conference between Truman, Churchill, and Stalin, a large portion of Europe was simply handed over to Russia, and on the other side of the world, the aftermath of the war with Japan helped to sweep the tide of Communism into China.

"The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion?We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time." 4

Since the terrorist attacks of Sept 11, 2001, world events, and in particular in the Middle East, show a growing unrest and instability between Jews and Arabs. This is completely in line with the call for a Third World War to be fought between the two, and their allies on both sides. This Third World War is still to come, and recent events show us that it is not far off.

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Now start to think family. Anything you think sounds familiar here?

Regards.
Br.Noah

[unknownuser]

And we continue God willing.

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Dagon & Isis
The fish symbolises the sign of Pisces and also the legendary King of Babylon, Nimrod, who was depicted as a fish. The dove symbolises his partner, Queen Semiramis, and it is more reverse symbolism. While the dove means peace to most people, it symbolises death and destruction to the Brotherhood. This reversing allows them to use their symbols in the public eye in a way that no-one understands. Sinn Fein, the political wing of the Provisional IRA in Northern Ireland, has a dove as its symbol for this reason

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The Dove
It is this dove symbolism which gives us the fictitious name of Christopher Columbus who in fact used to sign his name Colon. The name Columbus was invented as yet more Brotherhood symbolism. The Romans used to worship a deity they called Venus Columba, Venus the Dove. Venus and dove are associated with Queen Semiramis in Babylon. The word dove in French today is still Colombre. Columba is also an 'Aphrodite' goddess which symbolises the negative, death and destruction, aspects of the female energy.

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Columbia
Hence we have British Columbia, Columbia Pictures, Columbia University, Columbia Broadcasting (CBS), the Space Shuttle Columbia, and District of Columbia in which they placed Washington DC.

You've only got to look at some of the names for places around Washington to see where their originators were coming from. The most obvious is Alexandria just over the border from the District of Columbia, in Virginia (the virgin queen - Isis, Semiramis). And, by the way, look at the logos of those Columbia organisations. Columbia Pictures has the lady holding the lighted torch, Columbia University has the lighted torch, and Columbia Broadcasting (CBS) has the eye, the all seeing eye.

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Royal Sceptres
Doves can be seen standing on Maltese crosses on the sceptres held by the Queen of England in her ceremonies. Sceptres and rods were symbols of power in ancient Egypt.

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Crowns
There are Maltese crosses on the crown of the British monarch.

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Maltese Cross
The Maltese or splayed cross was found in caves in the former Phoenician lands of Cappadocia, now Turkey, dating back many thousands of years to the Phoenician occupation at least and it became the cross of the Knights Hospitaller of St John of Jerusalem (Knights of Malta), the Knights Templar, and the Nazis.

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German Insignia
If you look in this picture at the Nazi soldier you will see that he has the whole set - the Maltese Cross, the reversed swastika, the skull and bones and the eagle!

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Party Logos
Three major symbols of the Brotherhood are the lighted torch, the red rose and the dove. The symbols of the three main political parties in the United Kingdom which serve the structure headed by the Queen are the lighted torch (Conservatives), the red rose (Labour) and the dove (Liberal Democrats)! Just a coincidence, nothing to worry about.

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Laurel Branch ~ Wreath
The laurel leaves in the United Nations symbol are mirrored by the Freemasons and there are 33 sections in the circle. The logo is blue, a Freemasonic colour, as in the Blue Degrees of Freemasonry. The symbol of the European Union is also blue. The inspiration for the 'frame' around the UN logo can be easily seen in the Freemasons symbol.

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Double Square
The double square, one square on top of another in any form, is more secret society symbolism. In the secret language, one square by itself means control of what is right and just. From this we get phrases like "fair and square" and a "square deal". One square on top of another means control of all that is right and all that is wrong, all that is just and all that is unjust, all that is positive and all that is negative. In other words "we control everything". The double square, or eight pointed star, can be seen in the lobby at the heart of the British Parliament and a long list of world police forces surround their badge with the same symbol.

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Chevron
The chevron is another version of this you need to look at this as symbolic of two three-dimensional boxes, one above the other, and not as one-dimensional 'ticks'. This is the logo of the Brotherhood oil company, Chevron, and the other oil and transnational corporations are a maze of symbols featuring the secret language of the force which controls the world.

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Double Cross
The double cross of the House of Lorraine is the origin of the phrase to 'double cross' someone, to manipulate them. This same symbol can be found in the Rockefeller-guided oil giant, Exxon.

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Oil Companies
Texaco has the pentagram inside a circle with the T square of Freemasonry. The symbol of Atlantic Richfield Oil (ARCO) is a pyramid with the capstone missing looked at from above and Amoco has the lighted torch.

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Sun Life
Look at the names of some of the Brotherhood's insurance companies Sun Alliance, Sun Life, Britannic Assurance, Eagle Star. The Sun Alliance building in Piccadilly Circus, London, is decorated with two pillars, two flames, and a statue of Britannia (Barati of the Phoenicians) holding her circle and cross shield, the ancient Sun symbol! Note also the names given to space craft, military aircraft, and naval ships like Hermes, Nimrod, Atlantis, and Columbia. All symbolic to the Brotherhood.

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Fleur-de-lis
The Fleur-de-lis is another ancient symbol which is widely used today, particularly by royalty, and you find it on the fences around many buildings. It can be found on one of the gates to the White House.

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France
It was used by the Merovingians in France and, apart from its connection to them, it symbolises the Babylonian god Nimrod, and Lilith, the name symbolising the reptilian bloodline.

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The Rose
The red rose is another Brotherhood signature.

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Rosy Cross
The Rose is often displayed with or on a cross.

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Baal - Bel - Belial - Bell
The bell, as in the American Liberty Bell, is symbolic of Bel, Bil or Baal, the Aryan Sun god of the ancient world.

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Bell Correlation
An interesting set of circumstances? The picture is the Bell (Baal) County Courthouse in Texas, located in Belton (Baal-Town). The dome or bell tower (Tower of Baal or Ba-bel) on the courthouse was recently restored by Campbellville Industries (Camp Baal?). Near the Baal County courthouse is the Bail (Baal) Bondsman. Baal Town is the county seat and one city in a triune city metroplex; it's sister city is Temple. (Temple of Baal County) The other member of the triune is Killeen (Killing?); site of the infamous Killeen Massacre, where a crazed (Baal mind controlled) man murdered 24 persons in a cafeteria on a Killeen spree. Baal Killeen is home to the mind-control facility known as Fort Hood. This area of Texas is approximately 30 miles from Waco (hueco - the hole or depression) which is the site another massacre, performed by the Liberty Bell Choir or ATF against David Koresh and the Branch Davidians. Waco is also the home of Baylor Illuminati Training University. The prophets of Baal certain won in Texas over its Elijahs.

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A Dime
The most obvious symbol of the Brotherhood's intent is the fasces, from which we get the word, fascism. You can see it at the bottom of a United States 'liberty' symbol and in the Congress Building.

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Fasces
It was a symbol used widely in the Roman Empire and it consists of rods bound together around an axe. This axe is the origin of the term Axis Powers for the fascist countries in the Second World War. The symbolism is of people and countries bound together under a common centralised dictatorship, the axe. That is a perfect description of the European Union in which the nations of Europe are subordinate to common laws decided and imposed by the unelected dictatorship in Brussels. The European Union is truly a fascist state in accordance with the fascist symbol.

Regards
Noah

[omar_e19]

Peace Noah,

Thanks for sharing...wow, this definately cannot be coincidental. Just one question, what are your views on Ike's and other theorists' ideas about the reptilian humans, whom they claim most of the Illuminati are? I say this because of a very interesting observation, regarding Layth's article on the Jinn which you can read at free-minds under the articles section.

Layth concludes that the Jinn are reptilian creatures, decendents of the dinosaurs who are more advance than the human race and who envy us for being God's inheritors of the earth as per 230. However, this doesnt mean they are all evil... I did some research on the net and there is tons of talk, especially from the history of past civilizations of a reptilian like human race... I just couldnt help but see the striking similarities between layths' thorough analysis on the Jinn and what David Ike has to say about the reptilians...

Having said that however, I do not fully support Ike's theory which as you said is probably exaggerated and over done in some aspects...But I did like Layth's analysis and we must always keep an open mind. Anything is possible wink

Peace

Omar

[unknownuser]

Peace Noah,

Thanks for sharing...wow, this definately cannot be coincidental. Just one question, what are your views on Ike's and other theorists' ideas about the reptilian humans, whom they claim most of the Illuminati are? I say this because of a very interesting observation, regarding Layth's article on the Jinn which you can read at free-minds under the articles section.

Layth concludes that the Jinn are reptilian creatures, decendents of the dinosaurs who are more advance than the human race and who envy us for being God's inheritors of the earth as per 230. However, this doesnt mean they are all evil... I did some research on the net and there is tons of talk, especially from the history of past civilizations of a reptilian like human race... I just couldnt help but see the striking similarities between layths' thorough analysis on the Jinn and what David Ike has to say about the reptilians...

Having said that however, I do not fully support Ike's theory which as you said is probably exaggerated and over done in some aspects...But I did like Layth's analysis and we must always keep an open mind. Anything is possible wink

Peace

Omar

Peace omar.

I think Icke is a charlatan, as simple as that. He takes a serious, though strongly christian new testament beliver, researcher like Jordan Maxwell and try to use his knowledge to sell of a relegious dogma of infinite love. And he declared himself Jesus on national Brittish tele some 10 years ago.
That said however, his webpage is full of Maxwells, and to some extend his own research, and all that i have checked so far match up. This is why i keep insisting that we are in a state where we need to chose wich system we want. The new world order IS comming fast!

Either it is the established world, thus the order ab chaos system, or it is Islam. They do not compute together, unlike what most wants to belive out of comfort alone.

As for reptiles... well i like this saying. The mind is like a parachute, it works best if its fully open. I see a lot of reptiles through history, and i can see layths point from the Quran. But i have never actually met one, so it remeains speculation. And therefore i primarily focus on the people that i can see. Like the Bushes, the Rotschilds, the rockefella. Not out envy, trust me, i want NONE of what they have, not in this life nor the next. But they are clearly the vehicle for an agenda that has been going for a long time now, is accelerating and about to erupt into something really nasty. Especially the rotschilds, and the royal family's. Do you think they came to power because they were nice? Add to this 500+ years of inbreeding, and you have someone with a mindset that might not be to sound.

Or in simple terms (im a simple man). If you have a killer dog, and let it breed with its own bloodline through 500 years, you end up with a very sick little puppy. I have no reason to trust these people for that reason alone. But look into their financial interrests, youll be amazed what the "royals" really are into, and WHO they are, be they reptiles or not.

We need to wake up, instead of throwing verses at eachother about homosexuality and how we can incorporate Islam into the west, we need to step back and start to look at the REAL bigger picture here. And honestly i hate to be a whistleblower, but i am, with the rideculement and social retardment that comes along with it.

Regards
Noah

[unknownuser]

Peace

why do people ignore me? You are welcoem to say that im insane, you know. 72 views and only 1 had the nuts to answer. My question has not changed. You may feel holyer than thouh in this current system, because your humble towards God. Then howabout adopting his system, the natural republic?

Symbolism is just a way to spot where stuff comes from, the real problem is a system that is based on usury, interrest, money and terms. Money have become everybody's master, instead of a usefull tool. And if you accept it as is. good luck with your master.

there are no moderate Islam, there are just Islam, and its incompatible with the current system, nomatter how annoying that makes things.

So you can stay away from the bank system, only, here in denmark you cant. ITS LAW, to have a bank account, this is a trend adopted from EU.

You have to pay taxes, to pay for a never ending debt to the private financial institutions that originally lend the state its own money back, and made fortunes. Today they are mainly based on the bank of england model. Only, "the bank of "insert state"" are privately run organisations, the name is just to lend it legitimacy in the public. And hey it sorta works, why bother about it. Well...either usury or not, no both ways!

We are all cog's in a gearbox, and you can chose to be one, or you can chose to malfunct, so the lie runs less smoothly. But honestly im disapointed with you, most refuse to even concider these things, because it shatters their worldview. Seeking the truth is altso the willingness to accept that your own might be wrong.

Regards
Noah

[omar_e19]

Peace Noah,

I honestly support your cause. However, the single biggest problem for us right now is we have no plan and we dont exactly have unity. Talk is dandy and all but unless we get going and actually do something then talk about choosing or rejecting a system is a fruitless waste of time. Ive tried addressing this issue broadly in my post "beating around the bush" which you probably read and was disappointed at the lack of cosntructive suggestions and working towards implementing a strategy. But hey, I can understand how we are all busy with our own lives....Im so loaded with exams, and social commitments at my own local front here in Ottawa that I dont have the resources at my disposal to do anything substantial.

We have to start talking more about how we can pool our resources together.....and honestly I dont see anything happenining of any meaningful substance unless we join together under one banner and hold an international conference that addresses where we wish to go from here. We need to start thinking that we are God's party. Thats's the paradigm we need to use as our model...Doesnt God say he always supports His party against all others? We have to strive and believe that God can make us His vehicle of justice and good in this world if we are truly committed wink So we can all do our own little bit by hammering it in. It starts with the simple question SHOULDNT WE DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT??

See Im on this Anti Arab racism conference planning committee...And we all know how monsterous the obstacles are for progress in teh Arab world on all fronts...its mostly due to their own faults cause Arabs tend to be very apathetic about anything that doesnt give them immediate gratification i.e, money...infact for most Arabs the word "volunteering" doesnt exist in their vocab. So one of our activist sponsors, an Arab professor, said that he will have nothing to do with supporting us until we actually add the words "Stop complaining. Start Contributing" to our student organization's logo. (S.C.S.C.) Thats the philosophy that gets you somehwere. I mean its common sense no?

Peace.

Omar

[Someone]

Peace Noah, omar and all

I don't want to dwell into this sort of conjecturing, but let me bring some points that may widen the view.

1- What you have presented is basicaly conjecture. Surely, the signs they use are facts, but the conclusions drawn from it are merely conjecture.

2- The worship of "our valiant ancestors" is common, you can find it in any culture. The western world at these times happens to be the strongest, thus we find ourselves in the middle of all these signs, pertainning to the "valiant roman ancestors".

3- Until someone can show a specimen of this reptile/human race, it's as real as X-men or Donald duck.

4- For the "pyramid signs", they try to include the pharaonic civilization in their list of "valiant white roman ancestors", but from what I have seen, almost all the statues showing egyptians of that time, all the statues are missing the nose, as if someone is trying to hide the fact that they were black people. Moreover, the shape of the hair give more proofs of this.

5- And for taking control of the world, remember Napoleon, Cesar, Hitler, Pharaon, and many more who have not the "honour" to be known as these ones. Where are they right now? Does what they have acquired benefit them in any way?

6- Finally, you have to know that these people cannot have a common goal, even if they seem like a block, but each of them is following his own desires, they cannot unify.

Put your trust in the god, he is the best in scheming, he's the knowledgeable, the wise.

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[unknownuser]

Peace Noah, omar and all

I don't want to dwell into this sort of conjecturing, but let me bring some points that may widen the view.

Peace. what conjecture?

1- What you have presented is basicaly conjecture. Surely, the signs they use are facts, but the conclusions drawn from it are merely conjecture.

what parts of it?

2- The worship of "our valiant ancestors" is common, you can find it in any culture. The western world at these times happens to be the strongest, thus we find ourselves in the middle of all these signs, pertainning to the "valiant roman ancestors".

And the romans, and those that inspired them are not around as society's anymore, do you know why?

3- Until someone can show a specimen of this reptile/human race, it's as real as X-men or Donald duck.

agree

4- For the "pyramid signs", they try to include the pharaonic civilization in their list of "valiant white roman ancestors", but from what I have seen, almost all the statues showing egyptians of that time, all the statues are missing the nose, as if someone is trying to hide the fact that they were black people. Moreover, the shape of the hair give more proofs of this.

where do this come from?

5- And for taking control of the world, remember Napoleon, Cesar, Hitler, Pharaon, and many more who have not the "honour" to be known as these ones. Where are they right now? Does what they have acquired benefit them in any way?

Do you know waht they have in common? Rotschilds, go look it up. With the exception of cesar and pharao. But according to another ald book, at the time of ceaser, manoychangers where a problem back then too. And its the same money changers as back then, and thats why the symbolism keeps reapering. Who have the money to have large monuments built? Mr, and mrs. jones?

6- Finally, you have to know that these people cannot have a common goal, even if they seem like a block, but each of them is following his own desires, they cannot unify.

They seems to be quite good at it though.

Put your trust in the god, he is the best in scheming, he's the knowledgeable, the wise.

I do but that does not mean im just going to lean back and accept the moneygrubbing system, that alway shwere the same, and always where blamed by those send to us. Because if i do. I will make the same mistake as those in the past, and have learned nothing.

Regards.
Noah

Ps Omar, im still thinking about what you wrote, answer will come.

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[Someone]

Peace Noah,

For me, these signs have the same function as flags, showing that one is from this or that camp.

The sign of fire relates to a time when making fire was a hard task, not everybody was able to make fire. They should had some sort of recipient to keep a sustained fire and avoid it being off. It was of high priority. Now it is a meaningless spot, merely esthetic.

The obelisk in ancient times had its importance. It was a tool to measure time and to know seasons. Now it is used merely for extravagance.

The pyramid was the only way to make high buldings, since rocks are heavy, and not any other structure could support the weigh. And surely, if you are on the top, you would have a wider view of your surrounding.

Each one of these signs had its signification back then, it was all logic, no paranormal or mysticism attached to it.

Also, there's more than 200 pyramids in Soudan, rarely talked about.

You can find meanings for the other signs, but you have to put them in their historical context.

And finally, You, me and all the others are the by-product of this past that you seem rejecting. We are here discussing this because of all the events that had passed with the righteous and the not-so-righteous people. You see, it has not produced only evil things.

So, who is the best in scheming?

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[unknownuser]

Peace Noah,

For me, these signs have the same function as flags, showing that one is from this or that camp.

The sign of fire relates to a time when making fire was a hard task, not everybody was able to make fire. They should had some sort of recipient to keep a sustained fire and avoid it being off. It was of high priority. Now it is a meaningless spot, merely esthetic.

Peace someone

Yes, and those that had that knowledge became elevated in society, soon they became priets. And today it represent being on top of the social food chain. Just like back then.

The obelisk in ancient times had its importance. It was a tool to measure time and to know seasons. Now it is used merely for extravagance.

bu the same ones that still use the fire as a symbol. that particular fire that is.

The pyramid was the only way to make high buldings, since rocks are heavy, and not any other structure could support the weigh. And surely, if you are on the top, you would have a wider view of your surrounding.

and that is the very symbolism and why you should want to be on top, in the symboliv pyramid. The symbol is still videly used by those who altso still use the fire and the obelisk. None of these wich btw, has anything to do wtih rome, or the culture of rome as such. Besides that, its not true that thsoe where the only high buildings people could build, in your first post you tant to connect it to come. Colloseum?

Each one of these signs had its signification back then, it was all logic, no paranormal or mysticism attached to it.

mate there were formed relegions around them? no signfigance? omg..you took the blue pill didnt you? And today all of th?se symbols represent someone, being futher up the chain of knowledge than others., Did anyone know back then how to builkd pyramids? No, only the stone masons. Did anyone back then know how to make obelisks, no, only the stone masons. and so on.

Also, there's more than 200 pyramids in Soudan, rarely talked about.

wich is a shame, really.

You can find meanings for the other signs, but you have to put them in their historical context.

I am, and i know about the historical context. You however should try and understand their modern context. And why they keep reareaping all over the world, in the trail of certain people.

And finally, You, me and all the others are the by-product of this past that you seem rejecting.

Im not rejecting anything but the present.

We are here discussing this because of all the events that had passed with the righteous and the not-so-righteous people. You see, it has not produced only evil things.

Yeah this group pretty much has. there nothing good about unless you count dead structures, unfair trade, cheating and monopolising good. I could easily live without a car and a tv to get rid of those.
You see, the returning symbolism, and those evil things come together. Now you need to ask youself...why?

So, who is the best in scheming?

God, i never claimed otherwise. I know that they scheme and God schemes. But i repeat, that does not mean im just going to lean back and do nothing and accept they sceheme, now that i can both see and know about it.

Regards
Noah

[D_C]

Hi everyone....

Sorry for the late reply.... got a internet problemos

Just saying that I'm giving Noah right in his statement, since there are to many signs that indicate, they exist..... What they are really up to and who they are, there's a lot of theories...... Don't ask me....

Well... I just giving Noah some links... For some useful reading

This link show the connection between Nazi's and The Freemasons...
http//www.blackraiser.com/nazorig.htm

Links of reports of freemasons ( I only took the Istanbul bombings )
http//english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/D7D22755-3425-4BF3-BC6C-6969D409DF49.htm

http//www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2004-03/10/content_313358.htm

List of the famous freemason ( This webbage is from their Grand Lodge of England )
http//www.province.org.uk/famous.htm

And the last link shows you their names in different countries and where they are... ( Taken from den Swedish Freemasons )
http//www.frimurarorden.se/eng/grand_lodges_in_amity.html

This Link is kinda old.... But it shows u persons in picture, who they are ( I think )... Note to Noa also a picture of the Danish Freemasons ...
http//srjarchives.tripod.com/1997-08/Ciaug.htm

I think is alot of fun to read those stuffs personally....

[Someone]

Peace Noah, all

The solution for the problem you are exposing is in your last post KNOWLEDGE.

One has to strive to acquire more knowledge of the world around, with the laws governing it. It's the way to not get fooled by some "magicians", and moreover, to be able to survive and sail smoothely over the torrents. (jannatin tajri min tahtiha al-anharou)

How many of us know how to make fire without a lighter?

How many know how to produce or find our food, without going to the malls or groceries?

How many know how to build their house?

How many know how to heal themselves from minor illnesses?

and more...

This is where I believe I should spend my time searching and studying. It is simple to say that I am against this or that system, but are we able to survive without the confort it brings?

To make it simple, when one knows how to make a fire, he can choose to light up the way for others in the dark, or instead, to burn those who has different opinions than him without a right.

But for the one who doesn't know, he is at the mercy of the one that knows. And not everybody wants to KNOW, copying is much simpler for the majority.

This life is a test, it is not meant to be easy, unless for the ones that straighten their relation with the "all" and bring forth the necessary purifications. So you don't have to lean back, there is many knowledge and work out there.

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PS. is it of any benefit to research this kind of conspiracies?

[unknownuser]

Peace Noah, all

The solution for the problem you are exposing is in your last post KNOWLEDGE.

One has to strive to acquire more knowledge of the world around, with the laws governing it. It's the way to not get fooled by some "magicians", and moreover, to be able to survive and sail smoothely over the torrents. (jannatin tajri min tahtiha al-anharou)

How many of us know how to make fire without a lighter?

How many know how to produce or find our food, without going to the malls or groceries?

How many know how to build their house?

How many know how to heal themselves from minor illnesses?

and more...

This is where I believe I should spend my time searching and studying. It is simple to say that I am against this or that system, but are we able to survive without the confort it brings?

To make it simple, when one knows how to make a fire, he can choose to light up the way for others in the dark, or instead, to burn those who has different opinions than him without a right.

But for the one who doesn't know, he is at the mercy of the one that knows. And not everybody wants to KNOW, copying is much simpler for the majority.

This life is a test, it is not meant to be easy, unless for the ones that straighten their relation with the "all" and bring forth the necessary purifications. So you don't have to lean back, there is many knowledge and work out there.

---

PS. is it of any benefit to research this kind of conspiracies?

peace all. I thought i wasnt going to post again but, being the dramaqueen i am i will. Thank you D.C im looking at it

As for you someone. We are on excactly the same page, you just put it in much simpler terms. This way of life as we know it is going to go 2 ways.
1.turn into hell
2.abolish

And then knowing how to take care of yourself will be the only knowledge worth having. the year 2008 to 2012 will bring changes none of us can belive. No im not a prophet or a messenger, far from it, im lower than any of you with knowledge. But i have done my homework into the occult, what they belive in and what calender they use. There IS a brother hood, there IS a conspiracy, but at the end of the day. What is important is as you rightly claim. What CAN i do when #### hits the fan.

Regards
Noah

Psand i still owe omar a response, but unifying seems beyond aour capability at this point. All i can do and do, is awakening others to reality as it really is, and that is step 1. Next is teach them how to survive, and this is something i myself is in the learning process.

[unknownuser]

Peace be u pon you Noah and all,

Yes, David Icke, Ive read a few of his books, well not entirely, but I've seen most of what you have written here. Yes, symbolism is VERY REAL and VERY OLD. All of it comes from the Oldest Philosophy of ancient Kemet(Egypt), but it deals with "knowledge of SELF" (Know Thyself). It is the same thing that this reading(quran) deals with and it is what all readings worth reading deal with. There are people who have this philosophy and are doing wicked things with this knowledge, because it is indeed very powerful. But many of the understandings of the symbolisms put forth are incorrect, based on this philosophy. I am not sure if David did that purposely, or if he just has not done his research properly.

One example which I will give is his theory of "reptile humans". Does anyone here no one? I don't expect any answers. The "reptile" understanding which he got wrong is based on the spiritually imature persons reliance on the reptilian brain, the oldest and first brain that humans have. The Mamalian Brain covers that and then the Cerebrum, which seperates the Human from reptiles and mammals. Its about BEHAVIOR, not about alien beings. There is much to say about this, but It woild take a long time and I am not sure people are interested in this line of discussion. But just realize that the whole "snake" tempting "Eve" is also another symbolism of this "reptile" brain. We are here to transcend the reptile and mammla brains, many do not do this and that is why this reading(quran), says that they are just like CATTLE(animals).

[omar_e19]

Peace Idolfree,

I have read the concept of using the the reptilian brain and find it a more plausible theory...I simply outlined the similarity in the conclusion made with layth about a reptilian race that is visible to humans and mingles amongst them. Peace,

Omar

[unknownuser]

peace all

I too think icke is putting forth some halfbaked arguments, and i think it is to sell his newage relegion that makes everybody God, wich would make him part of the misinformation league.. If you want to get more into it here is a good starting point.

http//www.hermetics.org/ebooks.html

However it is important to look into what runs society, and has shaped it the way it is. And the symbols tell a tale if you now how to decipher them.
As for the reptillian brain, thats a viewpoint, but none of us knows. It could be another race aswell, being that they where created before man. So first God created man with a reptillian brain and then he regretted and created man with a mammal brain? I dont get it?
Im open to possabilities, and try not to get stuck with any one explanation that i cannot confirm for myself.

reagards
Noah