RK : BELIEVE IN ME OR ROT IN HELL!!!
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Salam Sladdin,
I am glad you posted this topic up. Personally, I believe in 19 code, but I was vieweing a video where RK had a conversation/debate with his followers in Arizona and a woman got up and told him that ".....Rashad this is getting dangerous...."
Apparently, she asked another woman that could RK have made an error in the translation here and thaat other women told her do you think you know better than RK! She got furious and brought this issue to RK and he said do you believe/not that I am a messenger, if you don't you'll end up in hell.
That kind of ticked me off. He clearly said those who don't believe him to be a messenger are destined for hell. I don't know what to make of it.
Do you personally believe he was a messenger of God?
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That kind of ticked me off. He clearly said those who don't believe him to be a messenger are destined for hell.
There are some here who will tell you that also. roll Does that even make sense? That you would go to hell if you didn't believe in another human being?... or even a book? Sounds like something the christians or mohammedans wud say.Peace.
PS - I found choice #2 pretty amusing lol... chain letter anyone?
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Got a very simple question
In the Quran we hear that ppl who said Noah, Abraham, etc were really not God's messengers and were simply trying to get money and fame, God condemened them right? Example when Noah goes and says I am from your Lord and come to your Lord to be reddemed and he'll grant you children, etc, etc. No one believed him and that was one of the reasons why they were hit by the storm. So, it is possible that if you don't believe in messenger, God will punish you or no?
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Peace.
On this topic, my personal policy is this
MAN GONE JAM GONE.
Besides, I wasn't even on planet Earth in 1974...
So I don't think I'll go to hell for now knowing him.BTW, theres an interesting thread at 19.org that kind or relates to this, but only slightly, have a look if you want...
http//19.org/forum/index.php?t=msg&th=3812&start=0&rid=772&S=cf8132d1d8ea4ab972effbf8718f54c7
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Hold the phone...!!!
Is there something wrong with my eyes or is our man RK saving postage costs?...
Make at least 10 copies of this letter and give them or mail them to people you know
And what is this 4 month time restriction? Is that 4X30days, or 4X29 days or what?... Its no wonder his popularity plummented! And then...
Good luck.
That speaks for itself. Are you sure this letter is really his? Coz I don't think he could really have written things like this if he was seriously up for the job,... or did he?
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Peace people,
In the Quran we hear that ppl who said Noah, Abraham, etc were really not God's messengers and were simply trying to get money and fame, God condemened them right? Example when Noah goes and says I am from your Lord and come to your Lord to be reddemed and he'll grant you children, etc, etc. No one believed him and that was one of the reasons why they were hit by the storm. So, it is possible that if you don't believe in messenger, God will punish you or no?
I don't believe GOD punished these people due to lack of acknowledgment of the messengers. I believe He punished them due to lack of adherence to the message itself!! If you obey the message, by default, you automatically show a belief in the person bearing the message. It is NOT necessary to verbally acknowledge the one bringing the message and say to him, "Oh I bear witness that you are GOD's messenger, etc." In fact, you don't need to have any contact with him...just apply the message in your life and share it with others.
I hope this contributes well to this thread.
ONE LUV.
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So, it is possible that if you don't believe in messenger, God will punish you or no?
The message or the messenger? God or the messenger? Don't you see the pattern? Christians got lost somewhere along the line and took jesus to be god. So-called "muslims" got lost and followed conjectures and traditions. It seems some of us are falling/have fallen into the SAME trap we thought we escaped from.
All messengers pointed to GOD, not themselves. idea
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Greetings with peace,
Usually some people get it right while most of the people go after the human being.
Anwar Azim
So, it is possible that if you don't believe in messenger, God will punish you or no?
The message or the messenger? God or the messenger? Don't you see the pattern? Christians got lost somewhere along the line and took jesus to be god. So-called "muslims" got lost and followed conjectures and traditions. It seems some of us are falling/have fallen into the SAME trap we thought we escaped from.
All messengers pointed to GOD, not themselves. idea
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It is not for a human that God would give him the Scripture and the authority and the prophethood, then he would say to the people ?Be servants to me rather than God!?, rather ?Be devotees for what you have been taught of the Scripture, and for what you studied.?
oh and 79 less 3 is 19x4.... lol (sorry, I couldn't resist)
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peace
I have heard this nonsense before. "If you dont belivein jeeeebush, youre going tohell"
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I thought even if we are true believers we will still go to hell (as a complimentary present for any sin however small we've committed)?
Really, most people find it very hard to believe that nobody will escape punishment. Myself, I just try to resign to the inevitability of hell.
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I thought even if we are true believers we will still go to hell (as a complimentary present for any sin however small we've committed)?
Really, most people find it very hard to believe that nobody will escape punishment. Myself, I just try to resign to the inevitability of hell.
what i have read in the koran , if our good works outweigh our sins , God will erase our sins and we go to heaven/paradise/garden . if sins outweigh the good works , we go to hell . its not like the disbelievers will also go to heaven as a complimentary present for any good works they had done ,right ?. what do u think .
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I thought even if we are true believers we will still go to hell (as a complimentary present for any sin however small we've committed)?
Really, most people find it very hard to believe that nobody will escape punishment. Myself, I just try to resign to the inevitability of hell.
what i have read in the koran , if our good works outweigh our sins , God will erase our sins and we go to heaven/paradise/garden . if sins outweigh the good works , we go to hell . its not like the disbelievers will also go to heaven as a complimentary present for any good works they had done ,right ?. what do u think .
Peace Saladin,
After reading your post and re-reading the verses I thought supported my view (which I carry from my traditionalist background), 997-10, I think I need to reconsider it now.
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About a year before I found this Progressive Muslims site, I stumbled across RK's site. I liked some of what he had to say. But his insistence that he be seen as a messenger of God kept interfering with any actual messages he delivered. It very much reminded me of Christian evangelists like Jim Bakker and Oral Roberts...even if RK wasn't asking for money they way they did.
After some soul-searching, I decided not to visit the site any more. Within a couple of months, God led me to the free-minds site. Then I felt at peace with what I was reading, because this site was focused on God and not on self-promotion. I almost felt as if RK's site was a test. Even though, for the first time, I'd found someone who had ideas closer to my own, I had to be willing to give it up (lay it on the altar, so to speak) in order to find my way to a place that focused only on God.
I say "test," because I chose long ago to follow the God Alone path and use the Quran as my source of guidance...not long after giving up the Chistian church community/fellowship I'd known all my life. I could no longer be part of that community but I wasn't part of a Muslim community either because of my views. It was a rather lonely journey.
My questions are...why does RK need to push the idea that he's a messenger of God? Isn't it enough that he has a message to share with people? Why does he need the recognition so badly?
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My questions are...why does RK need to push the idea that he's a messenger of God? Isn't it enough that he has a message to share with people? Why does he need the recognition so badly?
how can he have a message in the first place when he wasnt a messenger ?
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My questions are...why does RK need to push the idea that he's a messenger of God? Isn't it enough that he has a message to share with people? Why does he need the recognition so badly?
how can he have a message in the first place when he wasnt a messenger ?
salam.Salam Saladin.
I'm sorry. I don't understand.Are you saying he must prove he's a messenger before he can deliver the message? If so, why? I ask this with genuine interest, because I don't think I see a need for doing more.
I guess I don't see the need for someone who brings me information to make a big deal about being the person who is delivering the information...without getting in the way. Isn't it the message and not the messenger that should receive the most attention?
If the information is used to serve God, promote better understanding and is consistent with The Quran, what more is needed?
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Salam to readers
When I've read this forum, I don't really think that necessary we need to proof him as the messager because if we believe that message came from god. We don?t have to worry but for now we have to find the truth in those words. I don?t want to upset anybody, but for my opinion, we should all remember that Allah the most intelligent, knower of all creatures, he listen to whom he wish to and help to whom he wants to. But still he is a most forgiver we ever have. Just we shouldn?t make the same mistake. For my point of view, RK was proud to stand up for what is right for him. Not to pled people to say his is the messanger but wants us to understand his stanza with Allah hopes? Allah still love us, he gave us lots of chances, if he don?t he can easily took our soul like what had happen to Moses era. To think back about this, in every prophet era has their own reason for Allah has to take men?s life. I hope in our era, we are still in balance??. And I was totally graceful to Allah! Forever and ever!! wink
I write with peace to whom who read this. Thank you