=[ Difference between Al-Kitaab and Al-Quraan ]=
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Peace Joe,
You may be right. Either way, it's doesn't matter in the big picture. That's what I've been losing sight of. One can be a nuclear physicist and still have no inner peace. The mind is a machine. The soul is the essence. Strengthening the machine does nothing for the essence.
Peace,
Tay -
Greetings Tay,
Your honesty is most refreshing.
Thank you for being so candid?and telling us your thoughts?
May you find the truth through our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ?
Take care?
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The truth is in us all. This is something Muslims dont understand because Muhammad left out the part about the New Covenant being placed in our inner parts and written in our hearts...
There is no escaping it, not only Muslims but all of us have this inner knowing of the New Covenant and what is right and wrong, that was giving to us all when Jesus brought in the New Covenant..
So because of the Covenant within us, Muslims will always have the doubt in the back of their mind when they read verses in the quran that contradict or violate the New Covenant.
Jer 3133 After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts and write it in their hearts
The New Covenant is always their... The Ego will try to ignore it but it will never go away
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Peace all,
321 If they debate with you, then Say "I have surrendered myself to God, as well as those who follow me." And say to those who have received the Scripture and the Gentiles "Have you surrendered?" If they have surrendered then they are guided, and if they turn away, then you are only to deliver, and God is watcher over the servants.
361 Whoever debates with you in this after the knowledge has come to you, then Say "Let us call our children and your children, our women and your women, ourselves and yourselves, then, let us call out, and we shall make God's curse upon the liars."
682 And his people debated with him. He said "Do you debate with me regarding God, when He has guided me? I do not fear that which you have set up except if my Lord wishes it so; my Lord encompasses all things with knowledge; will you not remember?"
4215 And those who debate about God, after they had been answered, their argument is nullified at their Lord. They have incurred a wrath, and will have a severe retribution.
So O believers, just deliver the message, make The God's curse upon the liars, do not fear that which the disbelievers set up, and wait peacefully for the Last Day.
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Peace Apple Pie, Albion,
ApplePie stated
Your honesty is most refreshing.
Thank you for being so candid?and telling us your thoughts?
Glad to hear it, and you're quite welcome.
May you find the truth through our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ?
I'm sure there's good intention in your wishes, but I fear you've missed the point altogether. Nevertheless, thanks for the good vibes.
Albion stated
The truth is in us all.
Exactamundo!!
This is something Muslims don?t understand because...
That's where you'll lose me everytime. When we learn to cease generalizing via our self-imposed preconceptions, we can communicate. Until then, it's just a shouting match disguised as dialogue.
Seperation is a deluded choice, an illusion. We are one. The Muslims you're bashing are part of you. The Christians I bashed are part of me. We're all the same. We cannot seperate, no matter how much the mind insists on it.
Peace,
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Br mmkhan,
we should give all of the root mentioned in the dictionaries and not just- i think.
Salaamun Alaikum,
Dear brothers and sisters in Islam,There is a difference between Al-Kitaab and Al-Quraan.
It can be seen from the following verses
"Thaalika AL-KITAABU laa raiyba feehi, hudan-LILMUTTAQEEN" 22
"Shahru Ramadhaanal-lazee unzila feehi AL-QURAANU hudan-LIN-NAAS" 2185
Al-Kitaab is a guidance for Muttaqeen/ pious, so not anybody can be guided by Al-kitaab!
Al-Quraan is guidance for Naas/ people, so anybody can get guidance from AL-Qiraan!They both aren?t the same.
Another view
KTB is the root word of Al-Kitaab that means "Ordain/ destine/decree/transcribe/command/inscribe/write/record"
QRN is the root word of Al-Quraan that means "Proclaim/convey/call/reaherse/transmit/deliver/read/recite"My understanding and my current stand is as follows
"What we go through- form" is Al-Kitaab
"What we must convey, and must try and go through" is Al-QuraanAnd one thing is for sure that Al-Kitaab got the explanations for everything but only the pious can understand in detail unlike Al-Quraan which you and me , all can.
How?
We must have to look at the usage of actions/ events unfolding and the pattern of things unfolding in everyday. For example
"....... faghsilu wujoohakum wa aydiyakum ilal maraafiqi wamsahoo bi ru-oosikum wa arjulakum ilal ka'abaiyn....." 56
Most of the people to whom I met think that altering our actions by taking counsel of the learned is not mentioned. But if you were able to read it (Al-Quraan), you will get the explanation. But if you look at the actions or events (Al-Kitaab) you will not get the explanation unless you are pious enough.
This is just my personal understanding. All suggestions or comments are most welcome.
May Allah guide us all towards the Truth?
Regards,
Thanks for comprehending ...........
hmm
hypno
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And this Al-Quran / The Reading is not that can be produced from other than Allah, but it is a confirmation, that is between his two hands and the explanation / details of Al-kitab / The Book there is no doubt in it from the Lord of the worlds.
Quran is the explanation, definitive of Al Kitab, kinda like a script of behavior.....Quran is just another attribute of Al Kitab
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Simple,
Kitab = book, writing, decree, law
Quran = Reading, Recitation, Study.
The article 'al' in context can imply 'this, that and the'. I'll just give an example. Say we are talking about the Quran and its use of kitaab and quran , You tell me 'The book clearly uses them differently' If the book was in our presence, your use of 'the' could imply 'this' or 'that' depending on the distance of the book from us (If it's far you meant 'that', if it's close you meant 'this'. If the book is only present in our minds while having this conversation you meant 'the specific book that you and I are discussing.' I hope you see what I mean.
I take the Kitaab in Surah 2 for instance to refer to the Arabic writing system and on a grander scale any writing system. In writing things down and reading things written down we find guidance, spiritual, physical and otherwise. This just goes along with the Quran's emphasis on reading and educating oneself. But it could mean. I don't think the letters have any hidden meanings. I came upon this conclusion independently but I have also seen it in a certain tafsir, the name and author of which escapes me now that I do not possess the book anymore.
Godbless,
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Dear brother Anwar & all,
Salaamun Alaikum,The article 'al' in context can imply 'this, that and the'. I'll just give an example. Say we are talking about the Quran and its use of kitaab and quran , You tell me 'The book clearly uses them differently' If the book was in our presence, your use of 'the' could imply 'this' or 'that' depending on the distance of the book from us (If it's far you meant 'that', if it's close you meant 'this'. If the book is only present in our minds while having this conversation you meant 'the specific book that you and I are discussing.' I hope you see what I mean.
Allah says "Dthalikal Kitaab" or "Dthalika Al Kitaab". Dthalika is used for THAT not 'Al'.
And "Haadhal Quraan" or "Haadha Al Quraan". Haadha is used for THIS not 'Al'.
Alhamdulillahi Rabbil Aalameen.
May Allah guide us all towards His path.
Khan
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Peace,
This is going to be a bit difficult to try to explain to you but I will try. The demonstratives in Arabic in short are dhalika, hadhaa and dhaa. Variations of these based on tense and gender are u'laa, haa-ulaa', hadhaan, tilka, hadhihi and dhee.
As you can see what all of the first three have in common is 'dhaa.' This is the root of these demonstratives. We find in the Quran also dhaalikum, dhalikumaa and even dhalikunna.
I will explain why. the lika or dhalika is from laka (to/for you). The haa on the front of hadhaa is what is called haa at-tanbih. or the haa of attention. In Arabic there really is no difference between this and that. Even in English the two can sometimes be interchangeable. When you take a Modern Arabic class you learn that hadhaa means this and dhalika means that, but this is a ridiculous oversimplification. Especially when you start reading older texts and read the Quran seriously.
In short hadhaa can mean this or that, and dhalika can also mean this or that. Hadhaa is typically used for closer obects in Modern Arabic but you will see the rule broken in the Quran and in older texts. So 'dhaa' means 'what is in sight.' So, 'the book in sight' is dhaal-kitaabu. 'hadhaa' means 'Lo! what is in sight' so 'hadhaal-kitaab' 'Lo!The book in sight.' and dhalika is more like 'what is in your sight.' Again all of this is very literal, but helps to communicate the lack of any real difference between dhalika and hadhaa. This is beyond your basic Arabic, so if you can't see what I mean you don't have to argue me down. Just consider me crazy. It wouldn't be the first time.
Godbless,
Anwar