Are we all One?
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Peace be upon you Peace,
Before I get started, I have to say that I am glad you chose "Peace" as your name, we cannot say this word enough D
Thank you for taking the time to answer my questions, I feel you have truly helped me to understand this.
I would like to offer some books, one of which you can easily read on line, that helped me with my understanding, it was not all this reading that brouht me to this understanding, I had have trust in that which was descended upon me AND THOSE BEFORE ME. I'll give you the references at the end of the post.
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Correct. Just like a drop of water in the ocean, we are not the ocean but a part of it.This makes sense now to me. Alone we are simply drops of water, but altogether we are the ocean. What then is Good and Bad? How then do we have Heaven and Hell? Would Hell simply be not coming to the realization that we are part of the ocean
Yes, not realizing our ONENESS is the source of "the fire", its like a cell in our bodies that does not realize its oneness, thus starts to make gain at the expense of other cells, a cancer.
... and heaven be like a drop of water coming to the realization that it is part of this ocean?
Yes! Peace! Peace! is the greeting therin. D
The WHOLE of the Garden (Oneness) is for us, just don't approach THAT TREE (Defined seperation).
All of the Controlling forces prostrated to Adam (Oneness) EXCEPT Iblis(Defined Seperation).
The God does not beget children because there can be no mate when the God is ALL.
Etc. Etc.
Doing good leading up to this realization, and doing bad driving us away from it.
Correct.
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No. Is one of the cells of your body "YOU"? Each cell has its own exsistence, getting nutrients, making energy, getting rid of waste, etc. Yet all of your cells work together as "YOU".Its easier to think of the God as being the Ultimate center of Mind, and physical matter springs out from that center. We have to cultivate an INWARD LOOKING perception.
I suppose No, one cell cannot be me. The only part I think that is causing me trouble with this analogy, is that I'm not everywhere. If I was everywhere, wouldn't I be in my cell.
There is no "you", there is only WE D Its a way of thinking. If you concentrate on "you", then that is giving in to the Ego.
"It is not you who threw, but WE threw..."
If God were the ultimate center of mind, would our universe simply be a thought, so to speak?
Yes, ONE thought, One Word. Uni(one) Verse(word/sound/power)
Or are we like pieces of a puzzle, each piece is different, but together they form a whole?
Yes, but I prefer to think of it mentally, because its easier to relate the things in the hidden realm(mental) rather than the physical realm, because it is closer to the Thrown of Oneness. Its like a triangle or pyramid, seperated at the low levels and one at the top.
Wait...Just remembered an analogy that helped me...Relax and Think of a pure white light projecting through a dark room. Now there are different colored window panes, red, blue, green , yellow, etc. As the ONE white light shines through each of the window panes, it takes on the characteristic of the yellow pane, the red pane, etc. The light will come out on the other side RESTRICTED. The VERY SAME white light manifests in different ways. But the SOURCE of those colored lights is all the same, it is the white light that is in full control of the entire process.
Anyway, I tried my best with that analogy but one of the books I will refer you to has that analogy in it the way its suppossed to go D
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Think of everythng being MENTAL, the God being the Ultimate MIND. We are thoughts in this Ultimate Mind, Ultimate intelligence. When we purify ourselves of the illusion of seperation, we can gain access to this Ultimate Intelligence of which we belong, just as a drop of rain adds to a hurricane that tears a town apart, Or to a river that powers a dam.LOL well I think you've answered my last question about us being thoughts in this analogy. This has helped my understanding.
Yes, this understanding ABSOLUTELY helped me when I heard it and pondered on it for a long time. A long time.
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The cell is "You" in Quality , Yes, but not Quantity And in the same manner, we have the attributes of the God within us , in QUALITY, not QUANTITY, What the God as Supreme Being can do by saying "Be", it takes us the passing of TIME to accomplish. But it is all the God working through man, this is how man SERVES the God, man is the God's vehicle of consciousness(ruh). That is why many readings(quran) state that man is made in the image of the God, or according to the Pattern of the God, etc.Hmm... but why does God need a vehicle of consciousness?
No, the God does not NEED "you", the God uses you, you serve a purpose, but the God does not NEED "you", all of us can be replaced. So we must purify our Spirit(mind) so that the God WITHIN can manifest Itself.
God is free of all needs. I guess though I can look at it like creating music, why do we create music, or Art? Because the act of creating music, and Art is the reason in itself. I once heard a lecture, and I remember that the person said, why do we dance? We dont dance to get somewhere or for a point. We simply dance for the fun of it. However, I need to think on this.
It is my understanding that we dance and do ALL THINGS, in order to get to a Climax, because after Climax comes the state of PEACE. Everything in ths world, EVERYTHING, has a vibration. This vibration is the Sound(word) of the God that sets this Life in motion. The Key to wisdom is in the DUALITY of the ONE, or POLARITY (hot and cold, day and night, etc). Always look for the pair in things, then you will be able to find the balance between them. So since the God set this world in Motion, and continues to Vibrate all things, then our natural URGE would be towards stillness(Peace), or what the Hindus call "Nirvana (not moving)". Thats why we have to sleep at night.
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Yes, that would be lonely wouldn't it? The Experience of Life , with all its experience tools (5 known senses) sounds like it would be stimulating. Stimilulating enough to start the vibration of the Energy/matter at rest(Ultimate Peace). We are the vehicles of the God's experience. We are both One and Many at the same time, so we have to learn how to balance "Heaven and Earth". and we do that through the Process(Al salaat) of meditation, at dawn and dusk, when the say and night merge. The importance of the seperation side(earth) is so that "Heaven" can come down and command experience.If we are too much in heaven, the messenger behind us calling us back, then we lose touch with our worldy lives , if we are too much "earth" then we are slaves to emotions and sensations, you cannot transcend them and are thus trapped.I had trouble understanding the bold part of your writing. Can you explain? I understand that if we are too much earth then we are slaves to our emotions and sensations, and I guess we'll never come to the realization that we're all part of a whole. But I do not understand how we can be too much in heaven.
The following verse seemed to pop right into my awareness! D
(2877) "And desire in what The God gave you, the ending home(oneness), and do not forget your share in the present world(Earth, the illusion of seperateness), and do good deeds as The God did good to you, and do not desire the corruption in the Earth, surely The God does not love the corrupting/disordering ."
We are in the world but not of the world. To become "Too Much Heaven" is to be so far within that you fail to manifest the God on earth. You are unbalanced. We SERVE the God to be extentions of "Its" attributes. This message is about The "WE". We have to make it a community, which requires the manifestation on a physical level of the God's attributes.
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Remember? Thats all we are being asked to do, just remember it.Yes we remember it, but why do we forget it? How many times do we come to this same conclusion?
The human being is created weak. It is stated that a newborn baby cannot tell its body from anything else when it is first born, in fact it is still connected to the mother until the umbilical cord is cut. Then the different "divisions" start to make themselves appear, at this low, physical level. Our thoughts become totally focused on seperation. But as you grow, the cause and effect of The Gods Universal Law through his vibration of ALL THERE IS, the Unity of all things is revealed, BUT...there are some who arrive at this understanding but use this Powerful Knowledge to misguide people, to promote seperation and imbalance, because when you fall from the throne, and approach the tree in the garden, you start to think of yourself as a mere mortal, so to speak. You forget that "The Force" that is part of you is everywhere. And when you forget this, you can be controlled by others.
Life goes from undifferentiation(oneness) to differentiation, from stillness to ANIMATION. The Earth is the realm of ANIMATION(animal). If you remain stuck in thinking this illusion is real, you become like an animal, a slave, but when you ressurect the Divine within You, you cultivate the Peace of stillness within. This is where the answers of the All Knowing come from, to those who reach that level called "Prophet".
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Its like the brain cells communicating with the finger cells to type this message, we are the One manifest through many. The first message to the people from ALL of the Prophets was that "There is no god but THE GOD", it is also the last statement of Jacob to his children, "will you follow other god's besides THE GOD after I die"? That is to say, we must be WHOLISTIC in all we think and do. This resolves all ills.But what then happens with those who choose to forget this message? Whether they like it or not they are part of a whole.... If they kill people, and cause problems in the universe, they are affecting all the parts of whole arent they?
Exactly! That is why we cannot be "Too Much Heaven" because we have to be in touch with the interactions taking place on the earthly level, just as we want to check our bodies to make sure we don't have any cancerous cells. We don't want to be THINKING about Oneness all the time, we have to IMPLEMENT ONENESS in all actions and reactions. We want to EAt RIGHT, Live Right, Think Right, etc.
We are a BALANCED Nation, those who peacefully submit to the Divine Law, set in motion by the Sound(word) of the God, still vibrating all things even as we speak.
The Books I am recommending that can help you greatly are as follows
The Kybalion, which can be read for free here
http//kybalion.home.att.net/kybalion.htmlThat book will help you greatly, but if you like it and want to go to the beginning, where it all came from, you can get he book called "Metu Neter" Vol 1, by Ra Un Nefer Amen. You can purchase that here
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That book has cleared up so much for me. The knowledge of the ancient Kemetans is confirmed in This reading(quran) more and more for me, and that is what we should all be looking for, the similarities.
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Peace be upon you,
But I've yet to see the verses you use to back your pantheistic idea.
(817) So you did not kill them, and but The God killed them, and you did not throw when you threw, and but The God threw, and (it is for) The God to test the trusters from Him a good test, surely The God (is) hearing, knowledgeable.
(5016) ...and We are nearer/closer to him than the jugular vein.
The God is everywhere, as soon as you find ONE SINGLE MOLECULE where the God is not present, then ALL is ONE.
The God takes us from I , to Me, to WE, showing us that ALL is ONE.
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Peace be upon you Idolfree,
Wow thanks for your responses. I just finished reading the online book, and it was really helpful, I think I'm going to re-read it and try to grasp everything that it talks about. I was amazed at how it answered the questions that I was asking myself before. I think once we open our mind up to exploring something, the answers seem to find us. I'm going to place Metu Neter on hold at my university library.
Peaace
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Greetings Kyle,
(817) So you did not kill them, and but The God killed them, and you did not throw when you threw, and but The God threw, and (it is for) The God to test the trusters from Him a good test, surely The God (is) hearing, knowledgeable.
Do you understand this such that whatever we human beings do, it is not us who do it, but God does it? Are we accountable beings or not?
Anwar Azim
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Peace be upon you Peace,
Wow thanks for your responses. I just finished reading the online book, and it was really helpful, I think I'm going to re-read it and try to grasp everything that it talks about. I was amazed at how it answered the questions that I was asking myself before. I think once we open our mind up to exploring something, the answers seem to find us. I'm going to place Metu Neter on hold at my university library.
I am glad you enjoyed it as I thought you would, and yes, it takes a few readings for it to really verify itself.
Metu Neter, in my opinion, is much deeper. It speaks about the same people (Kemetans/Egyptains) but explains thier entire system of spiritual cultivation, which includes "talking to the God" through a system of ORACLES, not unlike what Zakariah did when he was chosen to take care of Mary. But besides that, it breaks down the Spirit/Mind so scientifically, it brings out so much wisdom, in my opinion.
I think the biggest thing that it helped me to do was to realize that it is BEHAVIOR Shaping that we are really dealing with, which this reading(quran) verifies.