It is possible and i believe that Jesus was an angel soul
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I find your understanding strange here...
Are you implying that newborn babies already has sin? Why, they haven't done anything wrong themselves!
Khi- Salam. They i.e. their souls NOT bodies have done something wrong before they came to this world otherwise we wouldnt be here. GOD Bless!
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Khi- Salam. They i.e. their souls NOT bodies have done something wrong before they came to this world otherwise we wouldnt be here. GOD Bless!
Qur'an reference please?
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Khi- Salam. They i.e. their souls NOT bodies have done something wrong before they came to this world otherwise we wouldnt be here. GOD Bless!
Qur'an reference please?
Khi- Salam.
How can you disbelieve in GOD when you were dead and He gave you life, then He puts you to death, then He brings you back to life, then to Him you ultimately return?
We can only be dead if we were alive before otherwise it makes no sense to talk about death. Also read
God ALONE The Disbelievers Suffer Two Deaths*
They will say, "Our Lord, you have put us to death twice,* and You gave us two lives; now we have confessed our sins. Is there any way out?"
How have the disbleievers been put to death TWICE? We know that theyll die from this earth but then would be judged. We also know that the beleivers dont really die
Do not think that those who are killed in the cause of GOD are dead; they are alive at their Lord, enjoying His provisions.
Thus the righteous die ONLY the first death while the disbelievers die TWICE. Now it is clear that death is when one has done something unrighteous thus we all did something unrighteous otherwise we wouldn't be here, BUT IN HEAVEN. Dont you see how many people are born with deformities or diabled. Do you think GOD would that to those souls if they had not done something wrong before??? Is GOD unjust. NO, but they must have rebelled. Get it now? GOD Bless! -
Khizar,
I still don't get it. Do you mean we did something wrong before we were born?
Are we reincarnated?
Also, are we supposed to be responsible for whatever we have done in our 'life before' although we have no idea what we did wrong?
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I still don't get it. Do you mean we did something wrong before we were born?
Khi- Yep thats what i mean.
Are we reincarnated?
Khi- I dont know whther we can call it reincaranation. GOD gives us the example of Adam and his wife who after disobeying GOD were SENT DOWN FROM HEAVEN. Their shame got exposed to them and they were thrusted down into a body on this earth which we call human being.
He thus duped them with lies. As soon as they tasted the tree, their bodies became visible to them, and they tried to cover themselves with the leaves of Paradise. Their Lord called upon them "Did I not enjoin you from that tree, and warn you that the devil is your most ardent enemy?"
He said, "Go down as enemies of one another. On earth shall be your habitation and provision for awhile."
Ofcourse we are not responsible for Adam and Eve's sin as the Christians would like us to think for the Qurasn clearly says that everyone is reponsible for his own deeds. Hence this is an example GOD gives of how souls who are disobedient are THRUSTED DOWN ON A PLANET WHICH WE ARE TODAY. Get my point now?Also, are we supposed to be responsible for whatever we have done in our 'life before' although we have no idea what we did wrong?
Khi- GOD has erased our previous memories. He has given us another chance. If we remebered our previous state then it would be much too easy for us. GOD tests us in a considerable manner. moreover our memories before might have been very large and our current brains would not be able to bear that burden in this state. Hence the danger of overload which could lead to insanity. And yes we are responsible. Lemme give you a example. If a person commits a murder under full conscious. He doesnt get caught for years. A year after committing the murder he has a car accident which causes him to forget his murder. Now he has been found guilty after another year. Should he not be punished for his crime which he committed before under full conscience? I think he should. GOD Bless!
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Peace be upon you M_Mehdi,
peace.. idolfree, i was feelin ya about will and choosing , until this part...
idolfree1 wrote
we are following emotions like animals.emotions like animals? ... explain this more please
Yes, have you ever wondered why those who reject are said to be like "cattle"? Or why the God says It changed some people into "apes" and "pigs"?
When we look back at the most ancient "religion", why were there animal headed men used in thier symbolisms?
The Animals are symbolic of the LOWER PART of man, the part that is ANIMATED, while the upper part is the DIVINE part, which was blew into us from the God. It is the PEACEFUL, STILL, NON ANIMATED part, which does the WILLING, while the EMOTIONS (Energy in motion) does the carrying out.
The Key is to DIRECT The animal part of you with the Divine part of you, but many are trapped in the animal part, so thier emotions direct them. Its like a horse dragging you around instead of mounting the horse and directing it. For example, there are many over weight people because they cannot subdue the PIG within them, they see chocolate cake, and the URGE of EMOTION comes to them, they act as if they have no CHOICE(WILL/Jesus) within them to CHOOSE to follow the right path, so they give in and eat chocolate cake all day and night. Or the same with cigaretes, hoarding money, or any addiction.
Solomon used the shayteen(emotions) to work for him, he was not controlled by them, and therefore had a "kingdom" like no other.
I hope you made sense of my explanation, please let me know if further clarification is necessary.
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Yes, have you ever wondered why those who reject are said to be like "cattle"? Or why the God says It changed some people into "apes" and "pigs"?
Khi- Salam. The 1st is symbolic. Notice LIKE cattle(KAL an'aam). 'ka' in Arabic is used to indicate a LIKENESS or allegory. This is NOT the case with the apes and swines. In 560 it is 'ja'ala minhum alqirada wal khanaazeer' without 'ka' or likeness ndicating a direct turning into. In 265 and 7166 we have 'koonu qirada' i.e. 'become apes' NOT 'become LIKE apes'. See the difference? I believe that those people were physically turned into apes and swines and that's why we see today that the gene code of both these animals are very similar to those of humans. According to the law of thermodynamics it is possible that the human body degrading over the ages turns into a lower species BUT NOT as evolutionists claim the other way around. Thus even from the logical point of view this makes much more sense. Monkeys and pigs are nothing but rotted humans. Just like a car if left to rust in a garage over many years.
I believe GOD intervened and manipulated their genes to show those unbelievers a lesson. GOD Bless! -
Peace be upon you M-Mehdi,
cause i wouldn't want to disrespect the monkey by comparing him to man...
lol Agreed
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Peace be upon you Idmkhizar,
I believe that those people were physically turned into apes and swines and that's why we see today that the gene code of both these animals are very similar to those of humans
Have you ever seen such a thing? (besides in a cartoon)
Are the people back then WORSE then the people of today? Is there CHANGE or NO CHANGE in the way the God works? So why are there not people TODAY who get changed into animals?
Is there some "19" formula that will make sense of this all?
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So why are there not people TODAY who get changed into animals?
Is there some "19" formula that will make sense of this all?
Khi- Salam. I believe coz such interventions by GOD happened only in the past i.e. before the revelation of the last and final message i.e. Quran. But who knows strange things are still going on in the world. I agree that under normal conditions GOD does not intervene but the people of Israel were blessed by GOD above all nations at that time and those who have been given high staus also have a higher responsibility
O wives of the prophet, if any of you commits a gross sin, the retribution will be doubled for her. This is easy for GOD to do.
That i believe was the main reason. And GOD's way is to punish the disblieving folk and spread His light inspite of them no matter how. GOD Bless! -
Peace be upon you,
but the people of Israel were blessed by GOD above all nations at that time
So the "jews" are the superior race? Is that it? Is that what the God is revealing to you?
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I still don't get it. Do you mean we did something wrong before we were born?
Khi- Yep thats what i mean.
So, I'll summarize your position
- We did something wrong before we were born.
Are we reincarnated?
Khi- I dont know whther we can call it reincaranation. GOD gives us the example of Adam and his wife who after disobeying GOD were SENT DOWN FROM HEAVEN. Their shame got exposed to them and they were thrusted down into a body on this earth which we call human being.
He thus duped them with lies. As soon as they tasted the tree, their bodies became visible to them, and they tried to cover themselves with the leaves of Paradise. Their Lord called upon them "Did I not enjoin you from that tree, and warn you that the devil is your most ardent enemy?"
He said, "Go down as enemies of one another. On earth shall be your habitation and provision for awhile."
Ofcourse we are not responsible for Adam and Eve's sin as the Christians would like us to think for the Qurasn clearly says that everyone is reponsible for his own deeds. Hence this is an example GOD gives of how souls who are disobedient are THRUSTED DOWN ON A PLANET WHICH WE ARE TODAY. Get my point now?- You analogize, using the example of Adam and Adam's spouse , that we are here on earth because they disobeyed God. Adam and Adam's spouse were told to go down and settle on earth .
Also, are we supposed to be responsible for whatever we have done in our 'life before' although we have no idea what we did wrong?
Khi- GOD has erased our previous memories. He has given us another chance. If we remebered our previous state then it would be much too easy for us. GOD tests us in a considerable manner. moreover our memories before might have been very large and our current brains would not be able to bear that burden in this state. Hence the danger of overload which could lead to insanity. And yes we are responsible. Lemme give you a example. If a person commits a murder under full conscious. He doesnt get caught for years. A year after committing the murder he has a car accident which causes him to forget his murder. Now he has been found guilty after another year. Should he not be punished for his crime which he committed before under full conscience? I think he should. GOD Bless!
- God has reased our previous memories about whatever wrong we had committed before we were born.
Now, my comments
1a. What was it that we do before we were born?
1b. If a newborn baby dies before having committed any wrongdoing in his/her present lifetime, then would the baby's soul be held accountable for sins from his/her former life?-
Why do you think that Adam's expulsion can be generalized to all mankind being born into this Earth caused by similar reasons? Does it not run counter to the common understanding that Adam is a unique case?
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Where in the Qur'an that is said about God erasing our memories of our past sins?
Overall I still get the impression that you are trying to force a modified original sin/karma concept into the Qur'anic worldview. Why do you think this is necessary, and what is wrong with the common concept, that of innocence in birth, in which humans have no sin at all at birth?
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Brother Khi and all,
Salaamun Alaikum,Thus the righteous die ONLY the first death
How will you explain "Kullu nafsin Zaa-iqatul maut" 3185 ?
while the disbelievers die TWICE. Now it is clear that death is when one has done something unrighteous thus we all did something unrighteous otherwise we wouldn't be here, BUT IN HEAVEN.
How about?
"And your Lord took for the children of Adam from their backs, their progeny; and He made them witness over themselves Am I not your Lord? They said Yes, we bear witness. Thus you cannot say on the Day of Resurrection that you were unaware of this." 7172
Is that bearing witness to Lord as our Lord is a sin?
Dont you see how many people are born with deformities or diabled.
How about those children who died as soon as they born? And how about them who died in stomach, as seen in some cases that pregnant mother fell down and the baby died in stomach? And there are so many incidents.
Do you think GOD would that to those souls if they had not done something wrong before??? Is GOD unjust. NO, but they must have rebelled. Get it now? GOD Bless!
What is unjust in sending us on the earth?
Allah said "Wa maa qalaqtal jinna wal insaa illa li ya'budoon" Sorry for no reference as I dont remember it.
I see your understand is wrong brother.
Regards,
MMKhan
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Peace be upon you Idmkhizar,
I believe that those people were physically turned into apes and swines and that's why we see today that the gene code of both these animals are very similar to those of humans
Have you ever seen such a thing? (besides in a cartoon)
Are the people back then WORSE then the people of today? Is there CHANGE or NO CHANGE in the way the God works? So why are there not people TODAY who get changed into animals?
Is there some "19" formula that will make sense of this all?
salam all.
i cant say if this news is true or not but several pakistani newspapers are showing the picture of a teenage girl from Muscat who turned into a monkey for throwing away the koran and disrepsecting the koran . she said if the koran is really the word of Allah then He would punish me for disrespecting the koran . and if koran is not the word of Allah then He wont . have any of u read this news ? -
salam all.
i cant say if this news is true or not but several pakistani newspapers are showing the picture of a teenage girl from Muscat who turned into a monkey for throwing away the koran and disrepsecting the koran . she said if the koran is really the word of Allah then He would punish me for disrespecting the koran . and if koran is not the word of Allah then He wont . have any of u read this news ?Peace Saladin,
You have been punk'd! lol
I've seen that picture, it looks like a half woman half goat, and it turns out to be a misrepresentation of an artist's work
http//www.roslynoxley9.com.au/artists/31/Patricia_Piccinini/249/34975/
http//www.patriciapiccinini.net/news.php?id=46But considering that most Muslims out there are suckers for any strange news that they think would give them assurance (like the human DNA sequence in Qur'an hoax, or the Neil Armstrong hearing azan in the Moon hoax), this news comes as no surprise to me.
A dose of daily skepticism is good for you wink
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Wa Alaikum Salaam brother Saladin and all,
salam all.
i cant say if this news is true or not but several pakistani newspapers are showing the picture of a teenage girl from Muscat who turned into a monkey for throwing away the koran and disrepsecting the koran . she said if the koran is really the word of Allah then He would punish me for disrespecting the koran . and if koran is not the word of Allah then He wont . have any of u read this news ?I am waiting to see more goats and other kind of half animals in USA Jail where Al-Quraan was flushed into toilets.
Do you believe in this kind of stories brother? )
Regards,
MMKhan
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salam all.
i cant say if this news is true or not but several pakistani newspapers are showing the picture of a teenage girl from Muscat who turned into a monkey for throwing away the koran and disrepsecting the koran . she said if the koran is really the word of Allah then He would punish me for disrespecting the koran . and if koran is not the word of Allah then He wont . have any of u read this news ?So she was a talking Monkey Girl, Yeah? -)
Did she sing like the Monkees?I have also heard Idols drinking milk from ladels of worshippers in London Hindu Temples etc...
Is this creation of a Modern "Hadith" ?
Just like Bukhari joined in, in stoning Adulterous Monkeys and People witnessing Holy Goats eating Surahs -)Regards,
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Jesus was an ordinary man but he was able to Transfigure his Humanity, just like countless other people that have come and gone in the past ages of this world.
Regards,
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salam all.
i cant say if this news is true or not but several pakistani newspapers are showing the picture of a teenage girl from Muscat who turned into a monkey for throwing away the koran and disrepsecting the koran . she said if the koran is really the word of Allah then He would punish me for disrespecting the koran . and if koran is not the word of Allah then He wont . have any of u read this news ?So she was a talking Monkey Girl, Yeah? -)
Did she sing like the Monkees?I have also heard Idols drinking milk from ladels of worshippers in London Hindu Temples etc...
Is this creation of a Modern "Hadith" ?
Just like Bukhari joined in, in stoning Adulterous Monkeys and People witnessing Holy Goats eating Surahs -)Regards,
salam.
when i had first seen the photo , i thought its a statue . thats what it turned out to be . thats what the newspapers today revealed .