Jesus - A Prophet, A Messenger, A Word and A Spirit from God
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Again....show us the word "Trinity" in the Koran... lol
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Again....show us the word "Trinity" in the Koran... lol
Again, what is or what is not in Al-Quran, will not supply you with the term to prove the "dual nature" nature of Jesus. Rather than ask what is in Al-Quran, you would be better served finding theoanthropos in your bible. In that way, you can prove the the core belief of your belief system. However, without it, well, you are just pretending to have something from God.
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Again....show us the word "Trinity" in the Koran...
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Done...
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Again....show us the word "Trinity" in the Koran... o
If you want us to accept your faith and become Christians, well, you must first prove the central belief of your doctrine...the dual nature nature of Jesus. Convince us of the legitimacy of your faith and prove all things, by showing us in the Greek, from where you derive your translations, where we can find the name for a dual nature "nature", thanks.
So, once again, what is or what is not in Al-Quran, will not supply you with the term to prove the "dual nature" nature of Jesus. Rather than ask what is in Al-Quran, you would be better served finding theoanthropos in your bible. In that way, you can prove the the core belief of your belief system. However, without it, well, you are just pretending to have something from God.
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Your turn...
Again....show us the word "Trinity" in the Koran...
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Your turn...
Again....show us the word "Trinity" in the Koran... D
What you're doing, is only concretizing what you and all of us know here about your belief system...it is all conjecture, smoke and mirrors. D
Anyway.
Tell you what, after you show us where we can find the term for a "dual nature nature" in the Greek, then please show us where we can find the term "trinity" in the Greek as well. Good hunting. D
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PEACE be upon all,
I'd like to ask you apple pie, to clarify the point you are trying to make and to start engaging in open debate or drop out of it if you don't want to, otherwise I will gladly make a request to Layth to ban the waste of board space that you are
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Again....show us the word "Trinity" in the Koran... o
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First, show us where we can find the term for a "dual nature nature" and "trinity" in your own Greek scriptures.
LOL! Aren't you at all embarrassed that you cannot defend the core tenets of your belief sysytem? Apparently not. What a hoot LOL!!
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Isn?t it most interesting that the god of the Koran, which is supposed to be ?one? and only ?one??consists of a ?spirit? and also a ?word??.which have been imputed into Jesus the son and the Messiah?
What Messiah? Who is Messiah? Give me the definition of Messiah!
'Cause it sure cannot be the one that the jewish scriptures refers to... -
Greetings PRIEST_BOKMEI,
Let?s review your ignorance..
First, show us where we can find the term for a "dual nature nature" and "trinity" in your own Greek scriptures.
I have already held up my part of the bargain, by answering your pathetic web-plagiarized ?argument? on another thread.
?theoanthropos? and ?Trinity? are both epithets.
They are words used to describe the nature of a thing.
You won?t find either word in the Holy Bible, nor the Koran.
Period.
Locating post-epithets in scripture will not occur; as they were coined after the scriptures were written; to accurately relate the whole body of scripture that relates to the epithet.
As such, the whole of Biblical scripture tells us that Jesus is God in the flesh.
Moreover, the Creator God of the Holy Bible reveals Himself as a triune entity.
Perhaps you need to understand why the authors of the Koran also copied this into your book of faith?instead of playing Mickey Mouse with your religion?.
Thanks?
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PEACE, APPLE PIE,
Let?s review your ignorance..
I have already held up my part of the bargain, by answering your pathetic web-plagiarized ?argument? on another thread.
What argument did I plagerize?
?theoanthropos? and ?Trinity? are both epithets. They are words used to describe the nature of a thing. You won?t find either word in the Holy Bible. Period. Locating post-epithets in scripture will not occur; as they were coined after the scriptures were written; to accurately relate the whole body of scripture that relates to the epithet. As such, the whole of Biblical scripture tells us that Jesus is God in the flesh. Moreover, the Creator God of the Holy Bible reveals Himself as a triune entity.
LOL! My, my, my..hmmm..."were coined after the scriptures were written"; "won't find either in the bible". So, bottomline, you cannot, via your scriptures, produce the verification for your belief system. Without concrete verifiable terms to prove your "theological descriptions", you have nothing but CONJECTURE to follow. Anyone can coin anything and say it is from God , however, the test for any assertion related to God, lies in proving, via His Scriptures, what one is ascribing to Him.
Thus, bottomline, you cannot prove that God is a triune entity nor can you prove that Jesus had a dual nature nature, because God does not say these things about Himself or His Messenger, Jesus. Hence, you cannot prove the validity of your belief system. Prove All Things...1Thess.521.
When you freely admitted that two indispensible tenets of your belief system where made up/coined after the scriptures were witten, and neither can found explicitly mentioned in the your scipture, and that is what you hold sacrosanct and follow, you proved the following verses as it pertains to your your belief system
Matt.159 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Col.222 Which all are to perish with the using after the commandments and doctrines of men?
It is apparent that you belief system is founded on both God's Scriptures and the doctrines of men, hence, it is an adulterated/contaminated belief system and not fit for mankind's guidance.
How, then, are you going to, with a straight face, ask any rational human being to believe in your belief system which you yourself, via your own book, cannot concretely prove, as well as, it's being adulterated? Listen man, you need to go somewhere and review your own ignorance/conjectures, because you are really done here.
Peace.
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Greetings PRIEST_BOKMEI,
Thanks for your reply?
PEACE, APPLE PIE,
Let?s review your ignorance..
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I have already held up my part of the bargain, by answering your pathetic web-plagiarized ?argument? on another thread.What argument did I plagerize?
Same pathetic one that?s been passing through the web?
http//www.al-hewar.com/eng/lofiversion/index.php/t1178.html
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?theoanthropos? and ?Trinity? are both epithets. They are words used to describe the nature of a thing. You won?t find either word in the Holy Bible. Period. Locating post-epithets in scripture will not occur; as they were coined after the scriptures were written; to accurately relate the whole body of scripture that relates to the epithet. As such, the whole of Biblical scripture tells us that Jesus is God in the flesh. Moreover, the Creator God of the Holy Bible reveals Himself as a triune entity.LOL! My, my, my..hmmm..."were coined after the scriptures were written"; "won't find either in the bible". So, bottomline, you cannot, via your scriptures, produce the verification for your belief system.
I can easily back-up my faith position from the Holy Bible?as well as from the Koran ? which was copied from the Holy Bible?
Without concrete verifiable terms to prove your "theological descriptions", you have nothing but CONJECTURE to follow.
I use scriptures to back up my claims.
Moreover, I utilize the highest quality lexical resources available.
Epithets are nice if you want to summarize the sum total concept of a set of scriptures to a single word?..like you seem be infatuated with?
Anyone can coin anything and say it is from God , however, the test for any assertion related to God, lies in proving, via His Scriptures, what one is ascribing to Him.
Finally?.now you are beginning to see the picture. wink
Thus, bottomline, you cannot prove that God is a triune entity nor can you prove that Jesus had a dual nature nature, because God does not say these things about Himself or His Messenger, Jesus. Hence, you cannot prove the validity of your belief system. Prove All Things...1Thess.521.
These things are easily shown in BOTH the Holy Bible and in the Koran, as well?
However?you seem fixated on the epithets?
So?we are still waiting for you to show us the word ?trinity? in the Koran?.where is it, anyway?? roll
If it is not mentioned in the Koran, then you should not have any ?beef? as to it being right or wrong.
Right?
You've freely admitted that two indispensible tenets of your belief system where made up/coined after the scriptures were witten, hence, neither can found explicitly mentioned in the your scipture.
I freely admit that the terms that you ?demand? be found in the Holy Bible are epithets.
Epithets are defined as terms that define the nature of a thing.
The nature of the things that they represent are inherently contained in both the Holy Bible and in the Koran.
Wake up.
How are you going to ask any rational human being to believe in something which you yourself, via your own book, cannot concretely prove? LOL! Listen man, you need to go somewhere and review your own ignorance, because you are really out of your depth here.
I demonstrate my position via scriptures?not epithets?like your most pathetic plagiarized ?argument??
Take care?
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O people of the Scripture, do not overstep in your system, nor say about God except the truth. Jesus the son of Mary was no more than God?s messenger and His word which He delivered to Mary, and a spirit from Him. So believe in God and His messengers, and do not say ?Three.? Cease, for it is better for you. God is only One god, be He glorified that He should have a son! To Him is all that is in the heavens and what is in the earth. God is enough as a caretaker. 4171
Rejecters indeed are those who have said ?God is the Messiah son of Mary!? And the Messiah said ?O Children of Israel, serve God, my Lord and your Lord. Whoever sets-up partners with God, then He will forbid Paradise for him, and his destiny will be the Fire; and the wicked will have no supporters.? 572
Rejecters indeed are those who have said ?God is a trinity!? There is no god but One god. If they do not cease from what they are saying, then those who reject from among them will be afflicted with a painful retribution. 773
Happy Apple Pie ?
You might not say the Mary and Jesus are gods apart from God, but you do say that God is three Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. But God is One and in no need of a son.
Will you deny that Jesus is/was God? Will you deny that the Father is God? Will you deny that the Holy Spirit is God? If not then you say God is three.
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Greeting Riz,
Thanks for your reply?
O people of the Scripture, do not overstep in your system, nor say about God except the truth. Jesus the son of Mary was no more than God?s messenger and His word which He delivered to Mary, and a spirit from Him. So believe in God and His messengers, and do not say ?Three.? Cease, for it is better for you. God is only One god, be He glorified that He should have a son! To Him is all that is in the heavens and what is in the earth. God is enough as a caretaker. 4171
Show us the Arabic word ?Trinity??
Moreover, show us the Arabic word ?son??
Rejecters indeed are those who have said ?God is the Messiah son of Mary!? And the Messiah said ?O Children of Israel, serve God, my Lord and your Lord. Whoever sets-up partners with God, then He will forbid Paradise for him, and his destiny will be the Fire; and the wicked will have no supporters.? 572
And?.?
Where is the context??
Rejecters indeed are those who have said ?God is a trinity!? There is no god but One god. If they do not cease from what they are saying, then those who reject from among them will be afflicted with a painful retribution. 773
Show us the Arabic word ?Trinity??
Happy Apple Pie
We will be when you can show us the Arabic words in question?
You might not say the Mary and Jesus are gods apart from God, but you do say that God is three Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. But God is One and in no need of a son.
Mary is not a god.
Jesus is God, as described in both the Holy Bible and the Koran.
Again?show us the Arabic word for ?son??
Will you deny that Jesus is/was God? Will you deny that the Father is God? Will you deny that the Holy Spirit is God? If not then you say God is three.
Each is simultaneously the one God.
What part of this escapes your intellect?.?
Again?.show us the Arabic word ?Trinity??
Thanks?
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PEACE, APPLE PIE,
Let?s review your ignorance...some more, shall we?
Same pathetic one that?s been passing through the web?
http//www.al-hewar.com/eng/lofiversion/index.php/t1178.html
Ahh, Light Upon Light! This person...got it from me. This person contacted me recently and will be posting here soon. I got if from studying the work of Hamza Abdul Malik. And look, now you have it!
I use scriptures to back up my claims...I can easily back-up my faith position from the Holy Bible?as well as from the Koran ? which was copied from the Holy Bible?
No you can't, because you cannot produce the verse where God Almighty, explicitly, uses the term "trinity" in regard to Himself nor can you produce the verse where Jesus or God, uses the term theoanthropos in regard to Jesus having a dual nature nature, period, end of story. Here, let me familiarize with to important terms
Main Entry WITNESS see for oneself one who has personal knowledge of something something serving as evidence or proof.
Main Entry HEARSAY evidence based on what someone has told the witness and not of direct knowledge The evidence of those who relate, not what they know themselves, but they have heard from others.
Your scripture/book, relative to God being a triune entity and Jesus having a dula nature nature, cannot be a witness to itself, because the explict terms for these natures are not to be found in it, hence, no proof...prove ALL things..1Thess.521. Thus, all you have, is...hearsay/conjecture to follow, but no direct explicit/knowledge to support your two basic theological tenets.
Moreover, I utilize the highest quality lexical resources available.
Fine, however, lexicons...are NOT scripture, sorry. Try again.
Epithets are nice if you want to summarize the sum total concept of a set of scriptures to a single word?..like you seem be infatuated with...However?you seem fixated on the epithets?, however, the test for any assertion related to God, lies in proving, via His Scriptures, what one is ascribing to Him.
Finally?.now you are beginning to see the picture. wink
LOL! I've seen this picture for quite awhile now. The vast majority of those who identify themselves as Muslims, are in the same boat with you, tht is, saying things of Allah which they cannot prove via Al-Quran.
PBM Thus, bottomline, you cannot prove that God is a triune entity nor can you prove that Jesus had a dual nature nature, because God does not say these things about Himself or His Messenger, Jesus. Hence, you cannot prove the validity of your belief system. Prove All Things...1Thess.521.
These things are easily shown in BOTH the Holy Bible.
Well, then show me trinity and theoanthropos in the bible, and I will concede this debate to you and become a Christian.
So?we are still waiting for you to show us the word ?trinity? in the Koran?.where is it, anyway??
No, we are waiting for you to show us trinity in the bible--your book. This is your belief not ours.
If it is not mentioned in the Koran, then you should not have any ?beef? as to it being right or wrong. Right?
Wrong! We are waiting for you to show us trinity in the bible--your book. This is your belief not ours.
PBM You've freely admitted that two indispensible tenets of your belief system where made up/coined after the scriptures were witten, hence, neither can found explicitly mentioned in the your scipture.
I freely admit that the terms that you ?demand? be found in the Holy Bible are epithets. Epithets are defined as terms that define the nature of a thing. The nature of the things that they represent are inherently contained in both the Holy Bible.
Whether you call them epithets, names, designations, appelations, labels, or whatever, if you or anyone is going to assign a particular nature to God or His Messenger, then you are required to produce the where they explicitly said that about themselves, hence, an epithet is required. If this is not done, then one is simply ascibing things to God and Jesus, where they themselves did not assign those things to themselves. Thus, without those epithets, all your faith amounts to is
Matt.159...teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Col.222...the commandments and doctrines of men.
PROVE ALL THINGS...1Thess.521.
Wake up.
My exact advice to you...I hope you will avail yourself of it.
PBM How are you going to ask any rational human being to believe in something which you yourself, via your own book, cannot concretely prove? LOL! Listen man, you need to go somewhere and review your own ignorance, because you are really out of your depth here.
I demonstrate my position via scriptures?not epithets?like your most pathetic plagiarized ?argument??
Nope, you haven't and, what's more,...you know it No direct statement from God saying "My nature is triune" and Jesus saying "My nature is theoanthropos", then, ...no proof for your belief...and that my friend...is the big bottomline.
Oh, and as I said, I didn't plagerize anything, but that is the least of your concerns righr now...isn't it? ;D