Jesus - A Prophet, A Messenger, A Word and A Spirit from God
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Greeting Riz,
Thanks for your reply?
O people of the Scripture, do not overstep in your system, nor say about God except the truth. Jesus the son of Mary was no more than God?s messenger and His word which He delivered to Mary, and a spirit from Him. So believe in God and His messengers, and do not say ?Three.? Cease, for it is better for you. God is only One god, be He glorified that He should have a son! To Him is all that is in the heavens and what is in the earth. God is enough as a caretaker. 4171
Show us the Arabic word ?Trinity??
Moreover, show us the Arabic word ?son??
Rejecters indeed are those who have said ?God is the Messiah son of Mary!? And the Messiah said ?O Children of Israel, serve God, my Lord and your Lord. Whoever sets-up partners with God, then He will forbid Paradise for him, and his destiny will be the Fire; and the wicked will have no supporters.? 572
And?.?
Where is the context??
Rejecters indeed are those who have said ?God is a trinity!? There is no god but One god. If they do not cease from what they are saying, then those who reject from among them will be afflicted with a painful retribution. 773
Show us the Arabic word ?Trinity??
Happy Apple Pie
We will be when you can show us the Arabic words in question?
You might not say the Mary and Jesus are gods apart from God, but you do say that God is three Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. But God is One and in no need of a son.
Mary is not a god.
Jesus is God, as described in both the Holy Bible and the Koran.
Again?show us the Arabic word for ?son??
Will you deny that Jesus is/was God? Will you deny that the Father is God? Will you deny that the Holy Spirit is God? If not then you say God is three.
Each is simultaneously the one God.
What part of this escapes your intellect?.?
Again?.show us the Arabic word ?Trinity??
Thanks?
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PEACE, APPLE PIE,
Let?s review your ignorance...some more, shall we?
Same pathetic one that?s been passing through the web?
http//www.al-hewar.com/eng/lofiversion/index.php/t1178.html
Ahh, Light Upon Light! This person...got it from me. This person contacted me recently and will be posting here soon. I got if from studying the work of Hamza Abdul Malik. And look, now you have it!
I use scriptures to back up my claims...I can easily back-up my faith position from the Holy Bible?as well as from the Koran ? which was copied from the Holy Bible?
No you can't, because you cannot produce the verse where God Almighty, explicitly, uses the term "trinity" in regard to Himself nor can you produce the verse where Jesus or God, uses the term theoanthropos in regard to Jesus having a dual nature nature, period, end of story. Here, let me familiarize with to important terms
Main Entry WITNESS see for oneself one who has personal knowledge of something something serving as evidence or proof.
Main Entry HEARSAY evidence based on what someone has told the witness and not of direct knowledge The evidence of those who relate, not what they know themselves, but they have heard from others.
Your scripture/book, relative to God being a triune entity and Jesus having a dula nature nature, cannot be a witness to itself, because the explict terms for these natures are not to be found in it, hence, no proof...prove ALL things..1Thess.521. Thus, all you have, is...hearsay/conjecture to follow, but no direct explicit/knowledge to support your two basic theological tenets.
Moreover, I utilize the highest quality lexical resources available.
Fine, however, lexicons...are NOT scripture, sorry. Try again.
Epithets are nice if you want to summarize the sum total concept of a set of scriptures to a single word?..like you seem be infatuated with...However?you seem fixated on the epithets?, however, the test for any assertion related to God, lies in proving, via His Scriptures, what one is ascribing to Him.
Finally?.now you are beginning to see the picture. wink
LOL! I've seen this picture for quite awhile now. The vast majority of those who identify themselves as Muslims, are in the same boat with you, tht is, saying things of Allah which they cannot prove via Al-Quran.
PBM Thus, bottomline, you cannot prove that God is a triune entity nor can you prove that Jesus had a dual nature nature, because God does not say these things about Himself or His Messenger, Jesus. Hence, you cannot prove the validity of your belief system. Prove All Things...1Thess.521.
These things are easily shown in BOTH the Holy Bible.
Well, then show me trinity and theoanthropos in the bible, and I will concede this debate to you and become a Christian.
So?we are still waiting for you to show us the word ?trinity? in the Koran?.where is it, anyway??
No, we are waiting for you to show us trinity in the bible--your book. This is your belief not ours.
If it is not mentioned in the Koran, then you should not have any ?beef? as to it being right or wrong. Right?
Wrong! We are waiting for you to show us trinity in the bible--your book. This is your belief not ours.
PBM You've freely admitted that two indispensible tenets of your belief system where made up/coined after the scriptures were witten, hence, neither can found explicitly mentioned in the your scipture.
I freely admit that the terms that you ?demand? be found in the Holy Bible are epithets. Epithets are defined as terms that define the nature of a thing. The nature of the things that they represent are inherently contained in both the Holy Bible.
Whether you call them epithets, names, designations, appelations, labels, or whatever, if you or anyone is going to assign a particular nature to God or His Messenger, then you are required to produce the where they explicitly said that about themselves, hence, an epithet is required. If this is not done, then one is simply ascibing things to God and Jesus, where they themselves did not assign those things to themselves. Thus, without those epithets, all your faith amounts to is
Matt.159...teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Col.222...the commandments and doctrines of men.
PROVE ALL THINGS...1Thess.521.
Wake up.
My exact advice to you...I hope you will avail yourself of it.
PBM How are you going to ask any rational human being to believe in something which you yourself, via your own book, cannot concretely prove? LOL! Listen man, you need to go somewhere and review your own ignorance, because you are really out of your depth here.
I demonstrate my position via scriptures?not epithets?like your most pathetic plagiarized ?argument??
Nope, you haven't and, what's more,...you know it No direct statement from God saying "My nature is triune" and Jesus saying "My nature is theoanthropos", then, ...no proof for your belief...and that my friend...is the big bottomline.
Oh, and as I said, I didn't plagerize anything, but that is the least of your concerns righr now...isn't it? ;D
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Greetings PRIEST_BOKMEI,
Thanks for your reply?
PEACE, APPLE PIE,
Let?s review your ignorance...some more, shall we?
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Same pathetic one that?s been passing through the web?http//www.al-hewar.com/eng/lofiversion/index.php/t1178.html
Ahh, Light Upon Light! This person...got it from me. This person contacted me recently and will be posting here soon. I got if from studying the work of Hamza Abdul Malik. And look, now you have it!
Oh, and as I said, I didn't plagerize anything, but that is the least of your concerns righr now...isn't it? ;D
Prove it.
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I use scriptures to back up my claims...I can easily back-up my faith position from the Holy Bible?as well as from the Koran ? which was copied from the Holy Bible?No you can't, because you cannot produce the verse where God Almighty, explicitly, uses the term "trinity" in regard to Himself nor can you produce the verse where Jesus or God, uses the term theoanthropos in regard to Jesus having a dual nature nature, period, end of story. Here, let me familiarize with to important terms
Main Entry WITNESS see for oneself one who has personal knowledge of something something serving as evidence or proof.
Main Entry HEARSAY evidence based on what someone has told the witness and not of direct knowledge The evidence of those who relate, not what they know themselves, but they have heard from others.
Your scripture/book, relative to God being a triune entity and Jesus having a dula nature nature, cannot be a witness to itself, because the explict terms for these natures are not to be found in it, hence, no proof...prove ALL things..1Thess.521. Thus, all you have, is...hearsay/conjecture to follow, but no direct explicit/knowledge to support your two basic theological tenets.
Can we say strawman??
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Moreover, I utilize the highest quality lexical resources available.Fine, however, lexicons...are NOT scripture, sorry. Try again.
Lexicons accurately define the original languages for us.Should you ever use one, then you will quickly understand that your book of faith copies the Holy Bible up to (and including) the Triune Creator and the deity of Jesus.
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Epithets are nice if you want to summarize the sum total concept of a set of scriptures to a single word?..like you seem be infatuated with...However?you seem fixated on the epithets?, however, the test for any assertion related to God, lies in proving, via His Scriptures, what one is ascribing to Him.I?m glad that you agree?Epithets are no substitute for the scriptures that they represent.
Perhaps you need to keep with this train of thought instead of repeatedly contradicting yourself in your very own posts?
As we can see here?
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These things are easily shown in BOTH the Holy Bible.Well, then show me trinity and theoanthropos in the bible, and I will concede this debate to you and become a Christian.
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I freely admit that the terms that you ?demand? be found in the Holy Bible are epithets. Epithets are defined as terms that define the nature of a thing. The nature of the things that they represent are inherently contained in both the Holy Bible.Whether you call them epithets, names, designations, appelations, labels, or whatever, if you or anyone is going to assign a particular nature to God or His Messenger, then you are required to produce the where they explicitly said that about themselves, hence, an epithet is required. If this is not done, then one is simply ascibing things to God and Jesus, where they themselves did not assign those things to themselves. Thus, without those epithets, all your faith amounts to is
Matt.159...teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Col.222...the commandments and doctrines of men.
PROVE ALL THINGS...1Thess.521.
You are vacillating back and forth again?
You just got finished stating this??the test for any assertion related to God, lies in proving, via His Scriptures, what one is ascribing to Him??
Now?you turn right around and begin demanding that an epithet ? NOT ?His scriptures? ? be found in the scriptures?!
What?s is going to be??
Time to get a grip.
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Finally?.now you are beginning to see the picture.LOL! I've seen this picture for quite awhile now. The vast majority of those who identify themselves as Muslims, are in the same boat with you, tht is, saying things of Allah which they cannot prove via Al-Quran.
PBM Thus, bottomline, you cannot prove that God is a triune entity nor can you prove that Jesus had a dual nature nature, because God does not say these things about Himself or His Messenger, Jesus. Hence, you cannot prove the validity of your belief system. Prove All Things...1Thess.521.
The bottom line is that I can easily prove that the God of the Holy Bible is a Triune entity.
Furthermore, I can easily prove that the authors of the Koran attempted to cloak the pagan Arab god ?allah? with the very same Triune qualities?
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So?we are still waiting for you to show us the word ?trinity? in the Koran?.where is it, anyway??No, we are waiting for you to show us trinity in the bible--your book. This is your belief not ours.
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If it is not mentioned in the Koran, then you should not have any ?beef? as to it being right or wrong. Right?Wrong! We are waiting for you to show us trinity in the bible--your book. This is your belief not ours.
PBM You've freely admitted that two indispensible tenets of your belief system where made up/coined after the scriptures were witten, hence, neither can found explicitly mentioned in the your scipture.
Using your ?logic??..then you cannot possibly have a position ?pro? or ?con? for the Trinity, as the word is never ONCE mentioned in your book of faith?
As such, since the word trinity (by your very own admission) cannot be found in your Koran, then you have no basis for denouncing it?unless, of course, you are blindly and slavishly following the second death course of Islam?
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I demonstrate my position via scriptures?not epithets?like your most pathetic plagiarized ?argument??Nope, you haven't and, what's more,...you know it No direct statement from God saying "My nature is triune" and Jesus saying "My nature is theoanthropos", then, ...no proof for your belief...and that my friend...is the big bottomline.
Here is Biblical evidence for the Triune God of the Holy Bible?
Who raised Jesus from the dead?
The scriptures tell us this?
? God the Father?Romans 6.4; 10.9; Col 2.11-12; 1 Peter 1.20-21; 1 Cor 6.14; Acts 2.23-24; 3.14-15; 13.30-37; Hebrews 13.20-21; Eph 1.15-20; Gal 1.1; 1 Thes 1.9-10
? God the Son?John 2.19-22; 10.17-18
? God the Spirit?Romans 8.11; 1 Peter 3.18It is quite clear that the One God that raised Jesus from the dead is
? Father
? Son
? Holy SpiritHere is Koranic evidence for the Triune qualities applied to the pagan god ?allah??
4171 You The Book's people, do not exaggerate/exceed the limit in your religion, and do not say on (about) allah except the truth , but the Messiah, Jesus, Mary's son (is) allah's messenger and His word/expression He threw it away to Mary, and a Soul/Spirit from Him; so believe with allah, and His messengers, and do not say "Three." Stop (it is) best for you, but allah (is) one allah, His praise/glory that to be for him a child; for Him what (is) in the skies/space and what (is) in the earth/Planet Earth, enough/sufficient with allah (as a) guardian/protector .
It is quite clear that the One ?allah?is
? Word
? Son
? SpiritHave fun?
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PEACE, APPLE PIE,
Prove it.
The individual will be along soon, but as I said...it is the least of your concerns right now. However, make no mistake about it...I don't care if you be believe or not on this matter...it will not change the reality of your unprovable theological assertions.
PBM "No you can't, because you cannot produce the verse where God Almighty, explicitly, uses the term "trinity" in regard to Himself nor can you produce the verse where Jesus or God, uses the term theoanthropos in regard to Jesus having a dual nature nature, period, end of story. Here, let me familiarize with to important terms
Main Entry WITNESS see for oneself one who has personal knowledge of something something serving as evidence or proof.
Main Entry HEARSAY evidence based on what someone has told the witness and not of direct knowledge The evidence of those who relate, not what they know themselves, but they have heard from others.
Your scripture/book, relative to God being a triune entity and Jesus having a dual nature nature, cannot be a witness to itself, because the explict terms for these natures are not to be found in it, hence, no proof...prove ALL things..1Thess.521. Thus, all you have, is...hearsay/conjecture to follow, but no direct explicit/knowledge to support your two basic theological tenets".
Can we say strawman??
You can say whatever you wish, however, it still will not change the reality.
Should you ever use one, then you will quickly understand that your book of faith copies the Holy Bible up to (and including) the Triune Creator and the deity of Jesus.
The lexicon, once again, is NOT scripture...okie dokie D
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Epithets are nice if you want to summarize the sum total concept of a set of scriptures to a single word?..like you seem be infatuated with...However?you seem fixated on the epithets?, however, the test for any assertion related to God, lies in proving, via His Scriptures, what one is ascribing to Him.I?m glad that you agree?Epithets are no substitute for the scriptures that they represent.
I don't agree at all, where do you get this from LOL! Your bible, mentions three natures...theos, pneumatikos, and anthropos...all natures and all eptithets, and all scripture. So, where are the scriptural epithets/natures---triune and theoanthropos?
Perhaps you need to keep with this train of thought instead of repeatedly contradicting yourself in your very own posts?
LOL! Perhaps you should simply learn how to read with comprehesion...how"s that D
I freely admit that the terms that you ?demand? be found in the Holy Bible are epithets. Epithets are defined as terms that define the nature of a thing. The nature of the things that they represent are inherently contained in both the Holy Bible.
PBM Whether you call them epithets, names, designations, appelations, labels, or whatever, if you or anyone is going to assign a particular nature to God or His Messenger, then you are required to produce the where they explicitly said that about themselves, hence, an epithet is required. If this is not done, then one is simply ascibing things to God and Jesus, where they themselves did not assign those things to themselves. Thus, without those epithets, all your faith amounts to is
Matt.159...teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Col.222...the commandments and doctrines of men.
PROVE ALL THINGS...1Thess.521.
You are vacillating back and forth again?You just got finished stating this??the test for any assertion related to God, lies in proving, via His Scriptures, what one is ascribing to Him??. Now?you turn right around and begin demanding that an epithet ? NOT ?His scriptures? ? be found in the scriptures?! What?s is going to be?? Time to get a grip.
LOL! Man, you are dense. Anyway, yes, I demand where the scriptural epithet, scriptural name, scriptural designation, scriptural appelation--triune and theoanthropos, can be found in your bible. Without that, scripturally, your scripture cannot bear itself out/prove the two main tenets of its belief/ be a witness to itself...got it now? D
Finally?.now you are beginning to see the picture.
Yup, I do...your denial defies description! D
Using your ?logic??..then you cannot possibly have a position ?pro? or ?con? for the Trinity, as the word is never ONCE mentioned in your book of faith?
Listen, people can have a pro and con position on Trinity if they wish, however, what is for certain is...it is not in your scripture, hence, you cannot assign it to God, because He does not explicitly use that term in regard to His nature in your scripture.
As such, since the word trinity (by your very own admission) cannot be found in your Koran, then you have no basis for denouncing it?unless, of course, you are blindly and slavishly following the second death course of Islam?
I didn't say whether or not trinity can be found in Al-Quran, what I said was...it doesn't matter, because trinity is your belief, hence, you have to find it in YOUR book in order to prove this major tenent of YOUR belief system. Guess what?...you can't do it! Give it up, Pie. D
Nope, you haven't and, what's more,...you know it No direct statement from God saying "My nature is triune" and Jesus saying "My nature is theoanthropos", then, ...no proof for your belief...and that my friend...is the big bottomline.
Here is Biblical evidence for the Triune God of the Holy Bible?
Hmmm...can the words...triune and anthropos, be found in those verses? No? Well, guess what?...you can't prove your belief system then, because God never use the word triune in regard to himself nor does He use the term theoantropos in regard to Jesus.
Enough of going in circles with you, Pie. You have pie all over your face. Clean yourself up and then come to Al-Islam...before a time comes when you cannot do so.
Peace.
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Greetings PRIEST_BOKMEI,
Thanks for your reply?
The individual will be along soon, but as I said...it is the least of your concerns right now. However, make no mistake about it...I don't care if you be believe or not on this matter...it will not change the reality of your unprovable theological assertions.
Interesting?.
You cannot even back up your assertion?again.... lol
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Should you ever use one, then you will quickly understand that your book of faith copies the Holy Bible up to (and including) the Triune Creator and the deity of Jesus.The lexicon, once again, is NOT scripture...okie dokie
Lexicons define the original languages.
Since you never use them?.how would you even know??
I don't agree at all, where do you get this from LOL! Your bible, mentions three natures...theos, pneumatikos, and anthropos...all natures and all eptithets, and all scripture. So, where are the scriptural epithets/natures---triune and theoanthropos?
Now we are seeing progress?
You have just acknowledged the usage of scriptures in the collation of your epithets.
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You are vacillating back and forth again?You just got finished stating this??the test for any assertion related to God, lies in proving, via His Scriptures, what one is ascribing to Him??. Now?you turn right around and begin demanding that an epithet ? NOT ?His scriptures? ? be found in the scriptures?! What?s is going to be?? Time to get a grip.LOL! Man, you are dense. Anyway, yes, I demand where the scriptural epithet, scriptural name, scriptural designation, scriptural appelation--triune and theoanthropos, can be found in your bible. Without that scripturally, your scripture, can not bear itself out/prove the two main tenets of its belief/ be a witness to itself...got it now?
Look what you have just done.
You are debasing yourself to name calling now?
Usually, we see this at the tail-end of a discourse when the perpetrating party has seen the futility of their position and has exhausted all other possibilities.
You have come to this point rather soon in our discussion.
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Using your ?logic??..then you cannot possibly have a position ?pro? or ?con? for the Trinity, as the word is never ONCE mentioned in your book of faith?Listen, people can have a pro and con position on Trinity if they wish, however, what is for certain is...it is not in your scripture, hence, you cannot assign it to God, because He does not explicitly use that term in regard to His nature in your scripture.
For you to even acknowledge the Trinity in the first place tells us that you have been exposed to it.
Furthermore?.your plagiarized argument that you are using derives itself from the scriptures in the first place?!
Time to stop chasing your own tail.
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As such, since the word trinity (by your very own admission) cannot be found in your Koran, then you have no basis for denouncing it?unless, of course, you are blindly and slavishly following the second death course of Islam?I didn't say whether or not trinity can be found in Al-Quran, what I said was...it doesn't matter, because trinity is your belief, hence, you have to find it in YOUR book in order to prove this major tenent of YOUR belief system. Guess what?...you can't do it! Give it up, Pie.
Nope, you haven't and, what's more,...you know it No direct statement from God saying "My nature is triune" and Jesus saying "My nature is theoanthropos", then, ...no proof for your belief...and that my friend...is the big bottomline.Fact of the matter is Muslims are the first ones to jump on the Bible-bashing bandwagon if there is even a hint of a difference between the Holy Bible and that of their second-hand copied Koran.
That does not change the fact that the word ?Trinity? is not mentioned in your book of faith.
The best that the Koranic authors could do is to state what the Trinity is not?
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Here is Biblical evidence for the Triune God of the Holy Bible?Hmmm...can the words...triune and anthropos, be found in those verses? No? Well, guess what?...you can't prove your belief system then, because God never use the word triune in regard to himself nor does He use the term theoantropos in regard to Jesus.
Now?this is nice?
Not only can you NOT refute the Biblical evidence that was presented before you?the scriptures that represent the very epithets that you claim to have derived from the scriptures in the first place? but you have also decided to turn your head and cough when presented with your very own Koranic evidence in support of the Biblical position.
Why not just slap your ?prophet? in the face while you are at it??
Way to go?
Thanks?
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PEACE, APPLE PIE,
Interesting?.You cannot even back up your assertion?again.... lol
O.k.
Lexicons define the original languages. Since you never use them?.how would you even know??
O.k., post the definitions for trinity and theoanthropos, and then tell us, using the original language of the scripture, where we can then find those terms, thanks.
PBM I don't agree at all, where do you get this from LOL! Your bible, mentions three natures...theos, pneumatikos, and anthropos...all natures and all eptithets, and all scripture. So, where are the scriptural epithets/natures---triune and theoanthropos?
Now we are seeing progress?You have just acknowledged the usage of scriptures in the collation of your epithets.
Very very weird...
Look what you have just done. You are debasing yourself to name calling now?Usually, we see this at the tail-end of a discourse when the perpetrating party has seen the futility of their position and has exhausted all other possibilities. You have come to this point rather soon in our discussion.
Hmmm..."look what I've done"...hmmm...What I've done is to prove establish that you cannot, via your own scriptures, prove the two main tenets of your belief system, but all you could focus on was dense and say..."look what you've done". You are getting more and more desperate...like a drowning man grasping for weeds or anything to buoy him. lol
PBM Listen, people can have a pro and con position on Trinity if they wish, however, what is for certain is...it is not in your scripture, hence, you cannot assign it to God, because He does not explicitly use that term in regard to His nature in your scripture.
For you to even acknowledge the Trinity in the first place tells us that you have been exposed to it.
Well, I've been exposed to Batman and mermaids too, however, just as with the trinity, they aren't real either. D
Furthermore?.your plagiarized argument that you are using derives itself from the scriptures in the first place?!
I didn't plagerize anything. Anyway, that I use your own scriptures against you, only substantiates their inappropriteness for mankind's guidance.
Time to stop chasing your own tail.
You mean...stop responding to your silly posts?
PBM I didn't say whether or not trinity can be found in Al-Quran, what I said was...it doesn't matter, because trinity is YOUR belief, hence, you have to find it in YOUR book in order to prove this major tenent of YOUR belief system. Guess what?...you can't do it! Give it up, Pie. Nope, you haven't and, what's more,...you know it. No direct statement from God saying "My nature is triune" and Jesus saying "My nature is theoanthropos", then, ...no proof for your belief...and that my friend...is the big bottomline.
Fact of the matter is Muslims are the first ones to jump on the Bible-bashing bandwagon if there is even a hint of a difference between the Holy Bible and that of their second-hand copied Koran.
Please, no self-pity.
That does not change the fact that the word ?Trinity? is not mentioned in your book of faith.
Who knows if it is in al-Quran or not. What is most important though is is...it is definitely not in YOURS! LOL!!
The best that the Koranic authors could do is to state what the Trinity is not?
Yup...like a drowning man grasping for weeds...
PBM Hmmm...can the words...triune and anthropos, be found in those verses? No? Well, guess what?...you can't prove your belief system then, because God never use the word triune in regard to himself nor does He use the term theoantropos in regard to Jesus.
Now?this is nice?Not only can you NOT refute the Biblical evidence that was presented before you?the scriptures that represent the very epithets that you claim to have derived from the scriptures in the first place? but you have also decided to turn your head and cough when presented with your very own Koranic evidence in support of the Biblical position. Why not just slap your ?prophet? in the face while you are at it?? Way to go?Thanks?
This is YOUR faith
Matt.159...teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Col.222...the commandments and doctrines of men.
No, you refuted nothing, but you got refuted and that is why your posts lack substance...you have nothing concrete to bring in the defense of your belief. Without the scriptural designations--trinity and theoanthropos, your belief system remains utterly refuted. Can I have an Amen! D
Take a break from posting for awhile and get yourself together.
Peace.
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Greetings PRIEST_BOKMEI,
Thanks for your reply?
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Lexicons define the original languages. Since you never use them?.how would you even know??O.k., post the definitions for trinity and theoanthropos, and then tell us, using the original language of the scripture, where we can then find those terms, thanks.
PBM I don't agree at all, where do you get this from LOL! Your bible, mentions three natures...theos, pneumatikos, and anthropos...all natures and all eptithets, and all scripture. So, where are the scriptural epithets/natures---triune and theoanthropos?
Since Islam has closed your eyes to the Holy Bible?.perhaps you can open them long enough to see what your so-called ?prophet? wrote?
4171 You The Book's people, do not exaggerate/exceed the limit in your religion, and do not say on (about) allah except the truth , but the Messiah, Jesus, Mary's son (is) allah's messenger and His word/expression He threw it away to Mary, and a Soul/Spirit from Him; so believe with allah, and His messengers, and do not say "Three." Stop (it is) best for you, but allah (is) one allah, His praise/glory that to be for him a child; for Him what (is) in the skies/space and what (is) in the earth/Planet Earth, enough/sufficient with allah (as a) guardian/protector .
It is quite clear that the One ?allah?is
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? Son
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Look what you have just done. You are debasing yourself to name calling now?Usually, we see this at the tail-end of a discourse when the perpetrating party has seen the futility of their position and has exhausted all other possibilities. You have come to this point rather soon in our discussion.Hmmm..."look what I've done"...hmmm...What I've done is to prove establish that you cannot, via your own scriptures, prove the two main tenets of your belief system, but all you could focus on was dense and say..."look what you've done". You are getting more and more desperate...like a drowning man grasping for weeds or anything to buoy him.
What you have done is to plagiarize someone else?s pathetic circular argument.
Too bad you cannot grasp that what you are asking for is derived from the very scriptures that you began with in the first place.
Wake up.
Well, I've been exposed to Batman and mermaids too, however, just as with the trinity, they aren't real either.
Sounds like Islam?s ?prophet??
It?s clear that you avoid his so-called scriptures like the plague?lol? lol
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Furthermore?.your plagiarized argument that you are using derives itself from the scriptures in the first place?!I didn't plagerize anything. Anyway, that I use your own scriptures against you, only substantiates their inappropriteness for mankind's guidance.
More lies?
If you could have refuted my assertion, then you would have done so a long time ago?
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Time to stop chasing your own tail.You mean...stop responding to your silly posts?
PBM I didn't say whether or not trinity can be found in Al-Quran, what I said was...it doesn't matter, because trinity is YOUR belief, hence, you have to find it in YOUR book in order to prove this major tenent of YOUR belief system. Guess what?...you can't do it! Give it up, Pie. Nope, you haven't and, what's more,...you know it. No direct statement from God saying "My nature is triune" and Jesus saying "My nature is theoanthropos", then, ...no proof for your belief...and that my friend...is the big bottomline.
What is an epithet??
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That does not change the fact that the word ?Trinity? is not mentioned in your book of faith.Who knows if it is in al-Quran or not. What is most important though is is...it is definitely not in YOURS! LOL!!
Let me guess?..you actually believe in Islam?s so called ?prophet??.when he is not even mentioned in the Koran?.?
Now, you can understand the silliness of the argument that you plagiarized?
This is YOUR faith
Matt.159...teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Col.222...the commandments and doctrines of men.
Now?.We knew that you could quote Biblical scripture when it suits your motives.
Too bad you don?t understand the term of context?
No, you refuted nothing, but you got refuted and that is why your posts lack substance...you have nothing concrete to bring in the defense of your belief. Without the scriptural designations--trinity and theoanthropos, your belief system remains utterly refuted. Can I have an Amen!
We enjoy watching you slavishly come back for more, and more?all the time chasing your tail?
Take a break from posting for awhile and get yourself together.
We are just getting started?
Don?t quit on us now?
Thanks?
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Greetings Riz,
Thanks for your terse comment?
So are you saying those verses aren't clear in what they are trying to say Apple Pie?
In Arabic (of which you apparently no very little, or nothing)?..or English?
Read and reply to my comments, as they were quite specific for each ayah that you felt compelled to post?
Thanks?
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APPLE PIE,
Lexicons define the original languages. Since you never use them?.how would you even know??
PBM O.k., post the definitions for trinity and theoanthropos, and then tell us, using the original language of the scripture, where we can then find those terms, thanks. I don't agree at all, where do you get this from LOL! Your bible, mentions three natures...theos, pneumatikos, and anthropos...all natures and all eptithets, and all scripture. So, where are the scriptural epithets/natures---triune and theoanthropos?
I'm still waitng for you to answer the above, via your scripture...is it soon forth coming?
Since Islam has closed your eyes to the Holy Bible?.perhaps you can open them long enough to see what your so-called ?prophet? wrote?
Don't worry about the "prophet", worry about your own inability to prove your belief system.
PBM Hmmm..."look what I've done"...hmmm...What I've done is to prove establish that you cannot, via your own scriptures, prove the two main tenets of your belief system, but all you could focus on was dense and say..."look what you've done". You are getting more and more desperate...like a drowning man grasping for weeds or anything to buoy him.
What you have done is to plagiarize someone else?s pathetic circular argument.
LOL! Light Upon Light! will be here soon.
Too bad you cannot grasp that what you are asking for is derived from the very scriptures that you began with in the first place.
What?? very very bizarre. What the heck are you talking about? Please rephrase.
Wake up.
O.k., but you first.
Well, I've been exposed to Batman and mermaids too, however, just as with the trinity, they aren't real either.
Sounds like Islam?s ?prophet??
But not...The Messenger.
It?s clear that you avoid his so-called scriptures like the plague?lol? lol
No, I'm just staying focused. I want you to post the verses which contain the scriptural designation for "triune nature" and "theoanthropos nature". What other scripture you post is not relevent to you meeting your burden of proof, per verse, 1Thess. 521.
I didn't plagerize anything. Anyway, that I use your own scriptures against you, only substantiates their inappropriteness for mankind's guidance.
More lies?
LOL! yeah, o.k....your like a drowning man, Pie.
If you could have refuted my assertion, then you would have done so a long time ago?
LOL! I have and that is why you cannot produce the proof aske of you. Man, you'd better slap some cold water on your face and wake up!
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Time to stop chasing your own tail.You mean...stop responding to your silly posts?
PBM I didn't say whether or not trinity can be found in Al-Quran, what I said was...it doesn't matter, because trinity is YOUR belief, hence, you have to find it in YOUR book in order to prove this major tenent of YOUR belief system. Guess what?...you can't do it! Give it up, Pie. Nope, you haven't and, what's more,...you know it. No direct statement from God saying "My nature is triune" and Jesus saying "My nature is theoanthropos", then, ...no proof for your belief...and that my friend...is the big bottomline.
What is an epithet??
You tell us.
That does not change the fact that the word ?Trinity? is not mentioned in your book of faith. Who knows if it is in al-Quran or not. What is most important though is is...it is definitely not in YOURS! LOL!!
Let me guess?..you actually believe in Islam?s so called ?prophet??.when he is not even mentioned in the Koran?.?
I believe in Allah and His Messenger.
Now, you can understand the silliness of the argument that you plagiarized?
I didn't plagerize anything.
Anywy, it is your argument that is silly...and tragic. You die with your belief and Hell is your destination.
This is YOUR faith
Matt.159...teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Col.222...the commandments and doctrines of men.
Now?.We knew that you could quote Biblical scripture when it suits your motives.
Too bad you don?t understand the term of context?
LOL!! Here we go..the old "context game". You're like a drowning man...thrashing wildlyabout...splashing...splashing...splashing...arms flingly wildly about...desperately trying to find something to keep you afloat...gasping...and splashing. LOL! What a hoot! Listen, you'd better grasp the "context" before it is too late for you and you...drown.
PBM No, you refuted nothing, but you got refuted and that is why your posts lack substance...you have nothing concrete to bring in the defense of your belief. Without the scriptural designations--trinity and theoanthropos, your belief system remains utterly refuted. Can I have an Amen!
We enjoy watching you slavishly come back for more, and more?all the time chasing your tail?
LOL! Well, call me slavish, call me crazy, but I've really do enjoyed kicking you around, Pie, however, my leg is getting tired now
We are just getting started?Don?t quit on us now?
Well, if you don't come up with those scriptural designations I requested by next post, you are going to have to have to find someone else to kick you around.
You've lost this debate, Pie. If you don't believe me, pull out the fork stuck in your head and check it...you will see then that you are ...done
Peace.
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Greetings PRIEST_BOKMEI,
Thanks for your reply?
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Since Islam has closed your eyes to the Holy Bible?.perhaps you can open them long enough to see what your so-called ?prophet? wrote?Don't worry about the "prophet", worry about your own inability to prove your belief system.
What ?prophet??.?
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What you have done is to plagiarize someone else?s pathetic circular argument.LOL! Light Upon Light! will be here soon.
More excuses?. roll
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Too bad you cannot grasp that what you are asking for is derived from the very scriptures that you began with in the first place.What?? very very bizarre. What the heck are you talking about? Please rephrase.
Your plagiarized argument is derived from Biblical scriptures.
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It?s clear that you avoid his so-called scriptures like the plague?lol?No, I'm just staying focused. I want you to post the verses which contain the scriptural designation for "triune nature" and "theoanthropos nature". What other scripture you post is not relevent to you meeting your burden of proof, per verse, 1Thess. 521.
If you were staying focused then you would not have drifted so far from the lead post in this thread? wink
Here, let me give you yet another opportunity to attempt to stay focused on the theme of this thread?
4171 You The Book's people, do not exaggerate/exceed the limit in your religion, and do not say on (about) allah except the truth , but the Messiah, Jesus, Mary's son (is) allah's messenger and His word/expression He threw it away to Mary, and a Soul/Spirit from Him; so believe with allah, and His messengers, and do not say "Three." Stop (it is) best for you, but allah (is) one allah, His praise/glory that to be for him a child; for Him what (is) in the skies/space and what (is) in the earth/Planet Earth, enough/sufficient with allah (as a) guardian/protector .
It is quite clear that the One ?allah?is
? Word
? Son
? SpiritLet?s see how focused you remain now?. shock
I didn't plagerize anything.
Prove it.
Anyway, that I use your own scriptures against you, only substantiates their inappropriteness for mankind's guidance.
Then you just admitted that your plagiarized argument is derived from Biblical scriptures.
Thanks?
I believe in Allah and His Messenger.
What messenger?.?
Anywy, it is your argument that is silly...and tragic. You die with your belief and Hell is your destination.
Prove it.
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Too bad you don?t understand the term of context?LOL!! Here we go..the old "context game". You're like a drowning man...thrashing wildlyabout...splashing...splashing...splashing...arms flingly wildly about...desperately trying to find something to keep you afloat...gasping...and splashing. LOL! What a hoot! Listen, you'd better grasp the "context" before it is too late for you and you...drown.
We are waiting for the context?
What?s the matter?this was not plagiarized with the rest of your ?argument???
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We enjoy watching you slavishly come back for more, and more?all the time chasing your tail?LOL! Well, call me slavish, call me crazy, but I've really do enjoyed kicking you around, Pie, however, my leg is getting tired now
And yet?.you keep coming back for more?.
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We are just getting started?Don?t quit on us now?Well, if you don't come up with those scriptural designations I requested by next post, you are going to have to have to find someone else to kick you around.
Leaving us so soon?.?
You've lost this debate, Pie. If you don't believe me, pull out the fork stuck in your head and check it...you will see then that you are ...done
Right on cue?.
Take care?
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APPLE PIE,
Print this out and make copies and post them around your house...perhaps in that way the information may finally stick. Study it carefully.
Your bible, mentions three natures...theos, pneumatikos, and anthropos...all natures and all eptithets, and all scripture. So, where are the scriptural epithets/natures---triune and theoanthropos?
You cannot produce the verse where God Almighty, explicitly, uses the term "trinity" in regard to Himself nor can you produce the verse where Jesus or God, uses the term theoanthropos in regard to Jesus having a dual nature nature, period, end of story. Here, let me familiarize with two important terms
Main Entry WITNESS see for oneself one who has personal knowledge of something something serving as evidence or proof.
Main Entry HEARSAY evidence based on what someone has told the witness and not of direct knowledge The evidence of those who relate, not what they know themselves, but they have heard from others.
Your scripture/book, relative to God being a triune entity/nature and Jesus having a dual nature nature, cannot be a witness to itself, because the explict terms for these natures are not to be found in it, hence, no proof...prove ALL things..1Thess.521. Thus, all you have, is...hearsay/conjecture to follow, but no direct explicit/knowledge to support your two basic theological tenets".
You've refuted nothing, but you been refuted and rebuked and that is why your posts lack substance...you have nothing concrete to bring in the defense of your belief. Without the scriptural designations--trinity and theoanthropos, your belief system remains utterly refuted and rebuked.
All you have is
Matt.159...teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Col.222...the commandments and doctrines of men.
You're like a drowning man...thrashing wildly about...splashing...splashing...splashing...arms flingly wildly about...desperately trying to find something to keep you afloat...gasping...and splashing..getting ever more desperate for one more breath...
And remember to...
PROVE ALL THINGS...1Thess.521.
Later.
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Greetings PRIEST_BOKMEI,
Welcome back?..already?.
Interesting that you keep coming back (like a dog to his own vomit)?even after you claimed to have "refuted me" on your plagiarized redd herring?
You mentioned that you wanted to stay focused?
Let me give you yet another opportunity to attempt to stay focused on the theme of this thread?
4171 You The Book's people, do not exaggerate/exceed the limit in your religion, and do not say on (about) allah except the truth , but the Messiah, Jesus, Mary's son (is) allah's messenger and His word/expression He threw it away to Mary, and a Soul/Spirit from Him; so believe with allah, and His messengers, and do not say "Three." Stop (it is) best for you, but allah (is) one allah, His praise/glory that to be for him a child; for Him what (is) in the skies/space and what (is) in the earth/Planet Earth, enough/sufficient with allah (as a) guardian/protector .
It is quite clear that the One ?allah?is
? Word
? Son
? SpiritLet?s see how focused you remain now?.
Remember to take your own advice?. lol
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Greetings PRIEST_BOKMEI,
Welcome back?..already?.
Interesting that you keep coming back (like a dog to his own vomit)?even after you claimed to have "refuted me" on your plagiarized redd herring?
You mentioned that you wanted to stay focused?
Let me give you yet another opportunity to attempt to stay focused on the theme of this thread?
4171 You The Book's people, do not exaggerate/exceed the limit in your religion, and do not say on (about) allah except the truth , but the Messiah, Jesus, Mary's son (is) allah's messenger and His word/expression He threw it away to Mary, and a Soul/Spirit from Him; so believe with allah, and His messengers, and do not say "Three." Stop (it is) best for you, but allah (is) one allah, His praise/glory that to be for him a child; for Him what (is) in the skies/space and what (is) in the earth/Planet Earth, enough/sufficient with allah (as a) guardian/protector .
It is quite clear that the One ?allah?is
? Word
? Son
? SpiritLet?s see how focused you remain now?.
Remember to take your own advice?. lol
Isn't it that the christian trinity (or triune God) is the Father, Son, Holy Spirit, wherein the "son" connotes "Son of God"?
Based on the above verse, Jesus is whose son?
Where does it say in the verse that "Allah" = word, son & spirit?
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APPLE PIE
Interesting that you keep coming back (like a dog to his own vomit)?
Very revealing that you view yourself as...vomit.
Here, focus on the following
Print this out and make copies and post them around your house...perhaps in that way the information may finally stick. Study it carefully.
Your bible, mentions three natures...theos, pneumatikos, and anthropos...all natures and all eptithets, and all scripture. So, where are the scriptural epithets/natures---triune and theoanthropos?
You cannot produce the verse where God Almighty, explicitly, uses the term "trinity" in regard to Himself nor can you produce the verse where Jesus or God, uses the term theoanthropos in regard to Jesus having a dual nature nature, period, end of story. Here, let me familiarize with two important terms
Main Entry WITNESS see for oneself one who has personal knowledge of something something serving as evidence or proof.
Main Entry HEARSAY evidence based on what someone has told the witness and not of direct knowledge The evidence of those who relate, not what they know themselves, but they have heard from others.
Your scripture/book, relative to God being a triune entity/nature and Jesus having a dual nature nature, cannot be a witness to itself, because the explict terms for these natures are not to be found in it, hence, no proof...prove ALL things..1Thess.521. Thus, all you have, is...hearsay/conjecture to follow, but no direct explicit/knowledge to support your two basic theological tenets".
You've refuted nothing, but you been refuted and rebuked and that is why your posts lack substance...you have nothing concrete to bring in the defense of your belief. Without the scriptural designations--trinity and theoanthropos, your belief system remains utterly refuted and rebuked.
All you have is
Matt.159...teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Col.222...the commandments and doctrines of men.
You're like a drowning man...thrashing wildly about...splashing...splashing...splashing...arms flingly wildly about...desperately trying to find something to keep you afloat...gasping...and splashing..getting ever more desperate for one more breath...
And remember to...
PROVE ALL THINGS...1Thess.521.
Later.
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Greetings Tony,
Thanks for your reply?
Isn't it that the christian trinity (or triune God) is the Father, Son, Holy Spirit, wherein the "son" connotes "Son of God"?
Based on the above verse, Jesus is whose son?
Where does it say in the verse that "Allah" = word, son & spirit?
Good questions.
Let?s look?
? You The Book's people, do not exaggerate/exceed the limit in your religion,
? ?wa? and do not say on Allah except the truth,
? but the Messiah, Jesus,
? Mary's son
? Allah's messenger
? ?wa? and His Word
? He threw it away to Mary,
? ?wa? a Soul/Spirit from Him;
? ?fa? so believe with Allah,
? ?wa? and His messengers,
? ?wa? and do not say "Three." Stop (it is) best for you,
? but Allah (is) one Allah,
? ?yakoona? verily he shall be a child for Him
? what (is) in the skies/space
? ?wa? and what (is) in the earth/Planet Earth, enough/sufficient with Allah (as a) guardian/protector.It is clear from the text that Jesus is both Mary?s and (in this case) ?allah?s? son.
Same theme copied from the Holy Bible.
Observe that Jesus is not merely ?allah?s messenger; but he is also ?wa? his Word.
Same theme copied from the Holy Bible.
Furthermore, the ?allah? of the Koran is shown to have a Spirit which is also imputed into Jesus.
Same theme copied from the Holy Bible.
Thus?.we have just witnessed three elements of ?allah?.
Now...look what is stated next?
?do not say "Three."
Why should we not say that ?allah? is three when we were just told of three elements that pertain to him?.?
Here?s why?
Because?
?Allah (is) one Allah?
What a novel idea.
Sound familiar?.?
It should, as it is lifted right out of the Holy Bible.
Furthermore?look at what the text states after this?
?verily he shall be a child for Him?
Rock-solid Biblical confirmation that Jesus is God's son!!!
I have to ask; can it really get much clearer than this for the die-hard Muslim?.?!
Straight from their very own book of faith?
No more excuses...
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"Say O People of the Book! come to common terms as between us and you That we worship none but Allah; that we associate no partners with him; that we erect not, from among ourselves, Lords and patrons other than Allah. If then they turn back, say ye Bear witness that we (at least) are Muslims (bowing to Allah's Will). " - Qur'an 364
SON OF GOD - Only Jesus??
Jacob is God's son and firstborn "Israel is my son, even my firstborn" Exodus 422.
Solomon is God's son "He shall build an house for my name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom for ever. I will be his father, and he shall be my son" 2 Samuel 713-14.
Ephraim is God's firstborn "for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn." Jeremiah 319 (who is God's firstborn? Israel or Ephraim?).
David is called the begotten son of God
"I will declare the decree the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee." - Psalms 27Adam is the son of God "Adam, which was the son of God." Luke 338.
Common people (you and me) are the sons of God "Ye are the children of the LORD your God" Deuteronomy 141. "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God" Romans 814. "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, to them that believe on his name" John 112. "That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;" Philippians 215. "Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God ... now are we the sons of God" 1 John 31-2. "When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?" Job 387. "Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD," Job 21. "Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD," Job 16. "when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men," Genesis 64. "That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they fair" Genesis 62
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SON OF GOD - Only Jesus??
Thanks for those verses shuab.
Joh 36 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit
Adam is the son of God "Adam, which was the son of God." Luke 338.
1Co 1545 And so it is written, The first man Adam as made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit