Give Thanks!
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Salaam Leyla ,
Your point is well made and taken in the spirit in which it is made, however... it does also illustrate a very important factor.
While we discuss the "right or wrong" of these things they continue to be perpetrated on the victims.There is nothing in the Qur'an that is difficult to understand. Individuals make it difficult when they impose their perceptions upon what has been clearly stated in the Qur'an .
If we still need to debate female circumcision then THAT is the problem, because while we are discussing it... young women are being disfigured for life! Words will not stop this abuse, only action will. If a man thinks that beating his wife is okay words will not convince him otherwise, but consequences for his actions may do what words cannot. Yes... initially we must seek to reason with people, but after a while it becomes self-defeating, so we must lay the arguments aside and take steps to insure our safety, the safety of our women and children and HUmanity as a whole.
I had a discussion with a friend about how to separate the general view of Islam from the "reality" of Islam. My response was, "be a living example, when someone puts a dirty glass on the table... don't argue that it is dirty, pick it up and clean it, or... put a clean one beside it so they can see the difference". Everyone I know loves Islam because I give them reason to love Islam everytime I interact with them, by demonstrating the peace and love that is Islam.
Shukran for your thoughtful comments!
Olusanya
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Salaam Wakas,
I write exactly what I mean, there are no hidden implications.
You did not read anywhere where I said that no one here does anything to uplift HUmanity. My statement was very clear, dealt specifically with the constant debates, criticisms, and judgements. You are free to interpret it however you choose... and to take offense if you so choose.If an individuals efforts are personal then there is no need to be public about what you believe to be true or not true.
I was responding and giving thanks to Layth for his post and the point within it. If you are not in agreement that is beautiful! If you are... that's beautiful too.
It is amazing how people can take offense at something that they do not believe applies to them!
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Salaam again Olusanya
Hmmm, yes, I can only agree on those thoughts.
Most of us do have pretty good idea of what `our Islam? is when chatting in cyberspace with anonymous equivalents.
But are we really ready and willing to confront the real and suffering causing manifestations of kufr in this world?
I pray that we all are!It sounds wonderful that everyone who knows you loves Islam because of your interaction. If this is true - and I have no reason to doubt it - than you are a wonderful example for all of us!
I am not sure if I already reached that goal but, again, it is my prayer that we all may.Best wishes,
leyla
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Salaam Wakas,
lol Thanks for the clarity!
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Peace be upon you Osulanya,
Glad to have you back in the forum.
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Salaam idolfree,
it is good to be back my brother! i have had many great moments "realizing" discussions we have had. i look forward to the "experience" of Islam that our talks lead to.
Peace,
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Peace,
I would just like to give thanks to Layth for his "See the Forest from the Trees" post.
Thanks should be given to the Lion-dude indeed. Man I tells ya, he has done wonders for the lives of many people. Heck, I bet that runs into the thousands blud.....
Y'know the grey lion, also known to you lot as Layth, has written many significant articles. Even if y'all don't agree with it, he provokes the thought enough with his insight....that is itself a giant step for humankind in my book. Hell yeah, he is the mac-daddy, word.
Lions represent courage and nobility, and tearing up deers + gazelles on wildlife shows, innit. The first two apply to the Big L - he has the courage to challenge the mainstream with this site, and the nobility to allow almost anyone on it with their views...
So let us all take just a minute from our lives and salute the grey-lion fella, and say 'thank you bro' cos if anyone deserves it, boy o boy I tells ya, its this fella.
Over and out.
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Top man Z-dude. Nice salute smiley too, innit.
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Peace Olusanya,
We will be judged according to our "DEEDS", not our "DEBATES"!
But they are not mutually exclusive, they can be parallel, debating here, a forum -- what another thing can be done in a forum?, and deeds here and offline.
Talking/discusing are actions too, and have consequences, why wouldn't they be part of the judgement? /Though discussing the notion of judgement would belong to another thread./
