Good food & Bad food
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Peace Jaxal,
I think you are saying it wrong. How can every lawful food be not restricted under normal circumstance.
Because it's not specified in the quran what good food/lawful food is. All we know is that good food is lawful food and everything NOT restricted. What is restricted is specified in the quran.
And btw in your quote above, lawful food is lawful food in any circumstance.
I just reread your quote...wtf? How can every lawful food be not restricted under normal circumstances or any circumstance indeed...quite an incisive question lol
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SaLaM SC
Because it's not specified in the quran what good food/lawful food is
Ok here is a verse for you
They ask thee what is lawful to them (as food). Say lawful unto you are (all) things good and pure and what ye have taught your trained hunting animals (to catch) in the manner directed to you by God eat what they catch for you, but pronounce the name of God over it and fear God; for God is swift in taking account.
This day are (all) things good and pure made lawful unto you. The food of the People of the Book is lawful unto you and yours is lawful unto them. (Lawful unto you in marriage) are (not only) chaste women who are believers, but chaste women among the People of the Book, revealed before your time,- when ye give them their due dowers, and desire chastity, not lewdness, nor secret intrigues if any one rejects faith, fruitless is his work, and in the Hereafter he will be in the ranks of those who have lost (all spiritual good).
Lawful to you is the pursuit of water-game and its use for food,- for the benefit of yourselves and those who travel; but forbidden is the pursuit of land-game;- as long as ye are in the sacred precincts or in pilgrim garb. And fear God, to Whom ye shall be gathered back.
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Those who reverence the rites decreed by GOD have deserved a good reward at their Lord. All livestock is made lawful for your food, except for those specifically prohibited for you. You shall avoid the abomination of idol worship, and avoid bearing false witness.I think God gives us a clear idea of what is lawful by giving us a clear idea of what is NOT lawful. PLUS common sense. Then God also tells us when the Unlawful food is lawful to us. For me atleast, its clear When the unlawful food is lawful.
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Salaam all,
Why you must make everything so complicated.
My beliefs is that God don't make things difficult for us, we have got a self thinking brain and with it we shall make our own decisions.
It goes for everything like, food,clothes,behaviours........
God put up restrictions in his book to help us avoid the bad things, things that we cannot really understand that it can be bad for us.
Like when God says that we shall avoid pork, but he don't say that we shall avoid snakes,rats, frogs etc, why do God do this?
Well I think that God possible can have make the pig restricted of many reasons and God also know that humans are fond of pigs.The pig is also an alleater and it has urin in its flesh.
So if we think a little bit forward we can figure out that bad food must be flesh of beasts and other alleaters because there can be alot of bacterias in their flesh like the grasseaters don't have.
So when God says that all good food is allowed He must meant that everything that makes us healthy is good for us and we shall avoid the bad foods or eat only a small amount of it.
So we shall use our brains to sort out what is good and what is bad, and all this science nowadays that makes resources of what is healthy and not can be good to read about.
But pork can never be a good choice so I don't understand what Priest Bookmai is up to, does he longing for a porkchop or what!?
Peace
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Peace Jaxal,
I think God gives us a clear idea of what is lawful by giving us a clear idea of what is NOT lawful. PLUS common sense. Then God also tells us when the Unlawful food is lawful to us. For me atleast, its clear When the unlawful food is lawful.
Because it's not specified in the quran what good food/lawful food is. All we know is that good food is lawful food and everything NOT restricted. What is restricted is specified in the quran.
What are you arguing about?
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Peace All,
This thread is NOT about what is good and bad for us because we THINK so, it's about CATEGORIZATION of food as defined in the QURAN, and what logical divisions we can make. Thanks!
Peace sis Majidah,
But pork can never be a good choice so I don't understand what Priest Bookmai is up to, does he longing for a porkchop or what!?
lol Thats what i think! It's just a guilt trip that makes him want to come and make sure all of us do too....
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Peace Jaxal,
Im not arguing. Im telling you what you didnt know.
I already know what you are telling me...read my posts bro! lol
Additionally to clarify, it's like God didn't tell us that beef is good, or any food is good like he specified the restrictions...its a generalisation, any food not restricted = halal = good.
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Salam Jaxal,
I said quran does not specify the good food like the restrictions. If you disagree please tell me where the good food is specified like the restrictions are...
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SaLaM SC
SC, u said Because it's not specified in the quran what good food/lawful food is. Im JUST telling you that god HAS mentioned the lawful food in Quran by directly naming them, i.e Cattle, and by telling us what is restricted. I hope you understand.
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Peace Jaxal,
Specified ALL the good food as in naming them
Im JUST telling you that god HAS mentioned the lawful food in Quran by directly naming them, i.e Cattle, and by telling us what is restricted. I hope you understand.
I understand what you are saying, it's been addressed in my posts. What you are misunderstanding is God has not specified/named ALL the good food/lawful food like He has specified/named ALL the restrictions. Is parsley good/lawful for us to eat? God has not specified/named parsley as restricted therefore it is lawful = good.
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Salaam Sister Savage Carrot,
The point is that God aren't mentioning the good food in his Scripture, that is our own work sis.
God is only mentioning what is bad for us and that he do with Love to us the rest we have to deal on our own.
Why do you think the humanbeing got a bigger brain than the rest of the animals!?
It's clearly that we have to dig for knowledge on our own, God only give clues for us but we cannot have everything on a plate then there is no challenge and why then we have to be judge on the day of judgment!?
Sis I think you are too attached to the scripture, there is a life outside the scripture too and it's how you form your own life.Don't be a blind follower.
Peace
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Peace sis Majidah,
lol I understand what you are saying and it's not what my questions have been about. It's about clarifying the logical divisioning of food as detailed in the quran.
God is only mentioning what is bad for us and that he do with Love to us the rest we have to deal on our own.
Thats exactly what I'm saying...as in my posts
"Good and bad is relative...the good things are the things that are allowed to us...anything can be good or bad depending on the situations/variables/factors... that is why ALL good things = lawful things are not specified but restricted things are.
"Because it's not specified in the quran what good food/lawful food is. All we know is that good food is lawful food and everything NOT restricted. What is restricted is specified in the quran."
All good/lawful food by virtue of it not being ALL named/specified is allowed, we make up our own mind as to what we want to eat and what is good and bad for us out of the good/lawful food (defined as that which is not restricted/forbidden/haram in the quran). What we can't do is say God forbade this and that out of the good/lawful food, as thats personal choice. As for ALL the restrictions, they are OFF LIMITS unless forced by necessity etc...
But my question is if Good Food = Lawful Food can Restricted Food = Bad Food OR Neutral Food
Bad Food = defined by God as being bad.
Neutral Food = only defined as being restricted.In both cases we can't eat it under normal circumstances but
does that make restricted food bad because God called it bad,
OR
only bad because it is restricted (e.g is it just a test?)
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Peace,
To add in case there was any confusion
Good food = Lawful food = Unrestricted food
Restricted food can be lawful under special circumstances but because it is under the category of restricted food, it cannot be called good food as
Good food = Lawful food = Unrestricted food.
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Peace Nadia,
2172 O you who believe, eat of the good things We have provided for you, and be thankful to God; if it is Him you serve.
2173 He has ONLY forbidden for you what is already dead, and the blood, and the meat of pig, and what was dedicated to other than God. Whoever finds himself forced out of need and without disobedience or animosity, then there is no sin upon him. God is Forgiving, Merciful.The use of the word "only" in 2173 means that everything other than the forbidden food is good, and that is my understanding.
So I agree with you that good things = not restricted things = lawful things.
Restricted food could be bad in nature (lahma khinzeerin, for it is rijsun), or it could be neutral (e.g. blood, what is dedicated to other than Allah).
What is dedicated to other than Allah is corruptly dedicated to other than Allah, but it is not called "rijsun". Just because it is corruptly dedicated to other than Allah does not mean it is bad by nature. The "dedication to other than Allah" is what is corrupt (fisqun), not the food itself. Similarly blood by itself is not bad, unless it is infected. But then beef can be infected too.
As far as personal likes and dislikes, that does not make a particular food good or bad. There are people in India, and Cambodia who eat rats. Please see the following links
http//www.8bm.com/diatribes/volume02/017/339.htm
http//in.rediff.com/news/2003/aug/19tn.htm
Even improperly cooked beef can cause diseases, does not mean it is not good food. Some people can be grossed out just by KFC chicken (SM is an example). On the other hand, there are many places in the world where frogs, spiders, snakes, monkey brains etc. are considered a delicacy. Recently, contestants in "fear factor" ate rats.
Best Regards,
Tanveer
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Peace Tanveer,
Thank you for adding your comments! I see it more clearly now, in which case it would be
Good Food = Lawful Food = Unrestricted Food
Restricted Food = Bad Food + Neutral Food
I agree with you on personal likes and dislikes, I have the same understanding. It could also be forced on a person to not eat that which is normally good food obviously (diseases etc). Makes sense.
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Peace Tanveer,
Restricted food could be bad in nature (lahma khinzeerin, for it is rijsun), or it could be neutral (e.g. blood, what is dedicated to other than Allah).
What is dedicated to other than Allah is corruptly dedicated to other than Allah, but it is not called "rijsun". Just because it is corruptly dedicated to other than Allah does not mean it is bad by nature. The "dedication to other than Allah" is what is corrupt (fisqun), not the food itself. Similarly blood by itself is not bad, unless it is infected. But then beef can be infected too.
One could take perfectly GOOD food and dedicate it to a god, if one wants. Restricted food does not mean it is either bad or neutral.
Anwar Azim
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Peace Anwar,
One could take perfectly GOOD food and dedicate it to a god, if one wants. Restricted food does not mean it is either bad or neutral.
Restricted food can be lawful under special circumstances but because it is under the category of restricted food, it cannot be called good food as
Good food = Lawful food = Unrestricted food.
Restricted food, eg, food dedicated to another god is under the category of restricted food, whether it started off as good doesn't matter as it never came under the restrictions when it was good. Most of the restricted food starts off as good food and the restrictions detail particular cirumstances in which it comes under the category of restricted. As soon as it does, it's not good food obviously, as it's restricted. Except for blood and pig meat. These are always restricted unless forced etc.
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Peace all,
After further discussion, I think it's fair to conclude that Neutral Food under the category of Restricted food is misleading as per my original question. As all the Restricted food is called corrupt/vile/fisqun...then we have
Restricted Food = Fisqun plus a subset of Fisqun which is Rijsun.
As all restricted food is fisqun and one item in that category is called rijsun.
Restricted Food = Fisqun(subset Rijsun).
Any comments welcome, especially what appropriate words to use as opposed to the arabic.