How Authentic is the Quran?

Jaxal

SaLaM Joe

I DO read the Bible AND the Torah. But since this is YOUR belief that the Torah was given to the Jews and not Moses/Musa, dont you think YOU should then explain this statment?

TheNabi

Salaam Jaxal,

You are confusing what I wrote again. My God man, this is indeed unnerving and irritating that I must explain to you the things that I've written.

1 - I said tauraat was not said in the quran by Allah to be given to musa.

2 - I said I do not believe tauraat to be the Torah.

3 - I said if you want to find out about the Torah and Moses then read the Bible which explains them.

Joe

Jaxal

SaLaM Joe

I see.

YOUR STATMENT Anyways, the Torah was given to the Jews

Then I said

But since this is YOUR belief that the Torah was given to the Jews and not Moses/Musa, dont you think YOU should then explain this statment?

Tell me Joe, which part of my post confused you?

TheNabi

Salaam,

The part where you misunderstand what I say and thus ask the questions you do. I already told you to read the Bible. Since you admit that you do then you do not need to be asking me such things about the Torah.

Joe

mquran

Jaxal But since this is YOUR belief that the Torah was given to the Jews and not Moses/Musa, dont you think YOU should then explain this statment?

If Joe was talking to a Jew, yes he might need to explain since a Jew believes in the Torah. Funnily, Homer Simpson act-alike needs an explanation fromj Joe as to why Joe doesn't believe the Torah was given to Musa. SO WHAT? I thought this was a quranic forum. Now we have guys who think we need the Torah to justify thier perversions and hadith to justify thier rock-hugging ways! Whatrever next!

unknownuser

This thread is going no where. It has become catalogue of insults! This must stop!

(hey I am all for witty and funny insults but the insults has become neither witty nor funny anymore!).

And we have not learned anything new from this exchanges. What a waste of time for everyone! -(

I have not realised that this thread has deterioriated so much. With due respects to you mquran (and I have asked you before -)) either provide refutation to Jaxal for the threads he has presented to you, the refutation you have said done 7 years ago or perhaps it is best that you bow out from this thread. There is no shame in bowing out -)

Regards,

TheNabi

Salaam MQ,

The Musa system continues to disclose itself. Many thanks for that.

No problem. I enjoy reading this portion of the quran. I think I might write this passage up and put it somewhere where I can read it daily.

Joe

Prince

I agree with Brother Lote Tree this thread is doing no good to none of you guys with insults thrown back and forth. We're all here to learn.....I know its hard and sometimes ego can get in the way of admitting mistakes but nevertheless we're not perfect and we should be open to criticism to improve our understanding of things.

We're all in this together brothers and sisters to learn and improve each other so we get closer to God. If we get all worked up just say PEACE and leave it at that. So im not giong to post futher on this thread and leave it with the very word as I do with all my posts-

PEACE wink

Jaxal

SaLaM Joe

I dont think even you know who the Torah was given to. Why dont you simply say so?

Agreeing with LT and 2Pac, this forum is not the place to flush out ur frsutrations that u experiance in ur personal life mquran. Calm down.

KGB

Man this is ridicluous debate. The agruments I read is that we all have to believe in some moron's article. The whole thread is useless.

TheNabi

Salaam,

I dont think even you know who the Torah was given to. Why dont you simply say so?

You can think what you want. I too will quite this tirade with you. It is nothing but a game. You can keep your guesses.

Joe

Jaxal

SaLaM

It is sad. But in the end, when someone cant answer, its either the garbage that mquran posts or 'i have nothing more to add'. I dont understand why you are holding back ur explaination. God wouldnt give the Torah to some Tom Dick or harry. This is what im asking you. ITs a simple question which shouldnt confuse you Joe. Who was the Torah given to? ITs like when i ask 'Joe, buddy, who was the Quran given to?' and you say 'Ah Jaxal, its Prophet Muhammad' or like when i ask ' Hey joe bruv, who was the gospel given to??' and you say 'Ahh Jaxal, the gospel was given to JEsus/Isa'.. Are u making the connection? So when i ask 'Hey Joe, bruv, who was the Torah given to?' I am kinda expecting a name. 'The jews' is not an answer. God didnt given the Torah to the 'jews'. God must have chosen one man/woman out of the 'jews' to give the Torah too. Dont u think?

Now, if you dont know, then that is one thing. But i dont think my question was THAT mind boggling that it totally escaped ur grasp. And maybe im wrong. Maybe you DO know the answer. IF so, why dont you simply tell me brother? Maybe i can hear ur answer and contemplate my understanding. Im totally up for that. Always keep learning. A man can never learn enough.

So, plz brother, tell me your understanding so i learn.

mquran

No problem. I enjoy reading this portion of the quran. I think I might write this passage up and put it somewhere where I can read it daily.

Good idea. Do this as well if you will, tabulate the various versions of the conversation between Musa and Pharaoh from chapter to chapter. Then, when you arrive at chapter 79, you'll see it all summarised in one verse. I swear, its some kind of linguistic explosion.