DO AYATS 5:5 AND 6:146, PRECLUDE THE PIG AS BEING HARAM...?
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The basic argument was that since food of the People of Book {Toraat and Injeel--Jews and Christians] has been declared permissible for the Believers and that since it is not mentioned in Qur'aan that meat of pig was prohibited for People of Book, therefore, meat of pig becomes permissible for believers too.
The food of People of Book is permissible. But which food? The food that has been declared permissible for Jews and Christians by the Last Messenger Muhammad Sal'lallaa'hoalaih'wa'salam and what he has declared prohibited for them that will obviously not be permissible for believers if they do not abide by the command of the Messenger, recorded not in history, but in the Qur'aan.
And exactly the same is permissible and prohibited for the believer. The pig is declared Haram for the believers and so is declared Haram for Jews and Christians in the Qur'aan. They accept it or not, it is their choice. No compulsion in Deen, the physical conduct of life.
bravo
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The basic argument was that since food of the People of Book {Toraat and Injeel--Jews and Christians] has been declared permissible for the Believers and that since it is not mentioned in Qur'aan that meat of pig was prohibited for People of Book, therefore, meat of pig becomes permissible for believers too.
The food of People of Book is permissible. But which food? The food that has been declared permissible for Jews and Christians by the Last Messenger Muhammad Sal'lallaa'hoalaih'wa'salam and what he has declared prohibited for them that will obviously not be permissible for believers if they do not abide by the command of the Messenger, recorded not in history, but in the Qur'aan.
And exactly the same is permissible and prohibited for the believer. The pig is declared Haram for the believers and so is declared Haram for Jews and Christians in the Qur'aan. They accept it or not, it is their choice. No compulsion in Deen, the physical conduct of life.
salam
thank you very much, this clarified it perfectly
peace
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Peace
The people of the book or the Jews and Christians did not need to be told that Pig/swine is haram , they knew this from their own scriptures . " And the swine........you shall not eat of their flesh , nor touch their dead carcass " , Deutoronomy 148 . Other similar verses also can be found in Leviticus 117 and 1180 , but there are more of them .
almarh0m
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What is the status of Donkey''s meat ,lion's meat and Dog's meat etc for the muslims?
RegardsQur'aan says from herbivores some are declared permissible for eating. Dog and lion are not herbivores. Donkey has specifically been declared as beast of burden and not for eating.
Pl try to read the classification of animal kingdom in the Qur'aan. Everything has been made distinct and evident for human guidance.
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Qur'aan says from herbivores some are declared permissible for eating. Dog and lion are not herbivores. Donkey has specifically been declared as beast of burden and not for eating.
Pl try to read the classification of animal kingdom in the Qur'aan. Everything has been made distinct and evident for human guidance.
Salaam
Would you provide appropriate verses ?
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Qur'aan says from herbivores some are declared permissible for eating. Dog and lion are not herbivores. Donkey has specifically been declared as beast of burden and not for eating.
Pl try to read the classification of animal kingdom in the Qur'aan. Everything has been made distinct and evident for human guidance.
"He only prohibits for you the
eating of animals that die of them-
selves (without human interference),
blood, the meat of pigs, and
animals dedicated to other than God..." (2173)The whole "only herbivores is halal" comes from hadith. This is what Sunnis and Shias uphold. Shias even say that only white fish are halal out of the sea animals. Hanafis also say that crabs are haram. All of this is BS.
To forbid something which GOD did not prohibit is a major sin. Following hadith to get prohibitions and upoholding them is shirk, since one talks another authority besides God for religious law. This means that God is not enough as a law maker or just in general.
Peace
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"He only prohibits for you the
eating of animals that die of them-
selves (without human interference),
blood, the meat of pigs, and
animals dedicated to other than God..." (2173)The whole "only herbivores is halal" comes from hadith. This is what Sunnis and Shias uphold. Shias even say that only white fish are halal out of the sea animals. Hanafis also say that crabs are haram. All of this is BS.
To forbid something which GOD did not prohibit is a major sin. Following hadith to get prohibitions and upoholding them is shirk, since one talks another authority besides God for religious law. This means that God is not enough as a law maker or just in general.
Peace
bravo
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"He only prohibits for you the
eating of animals that die of them-
selves (without human interference),
blood, the meat of pigs, and
animals dedicated to other than God..." (2173)The whole "only herbivores is halal" comes from hadith. This is what Sunnis and Shias uphold. Shias even say that only white fish are halal out of the sea animals. Hanafis also say that crabs are haram. All of this is BS.
To forbid something which GOD did not prohibit is a major sin. Following hadith to get prohibitions and upoholding them is shirk, since one talks another authority besides God for religious law. This means that God is not enough as a law maker or just in general.
Peace
I fail to understand why people think they could be progressive as against hadith ridden people by considering desirable eating meat of cats and dogs.
Qur'aan, NOT Hadith, says only Al an'aam are permissible for eating and they are then defined as those who are herbivores. And then herbivores are further divivded into those which are eatable and those which are meant for carrying loads which includes horses, donkeys and mules. Camel is excluded from the list of beast of burden and declared as eatable. And then Qur'aan further tells that for you people He has sent eight families of herbivore mammals. But the ground reality is that there are nine families of herbivore mammals, The Ninth family is that of pig which is is not for us.
Search the word Al an'aam to know the facts. Stupid is one who is obcessed with anything and retarded is the one who claps on everything.
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I fail to understand why people think they could be progressive as against hadith ridden people by considering desirable eating meat of cats and dogs.
Qur'aan, NOT Hadith, says only Al an'aam are permissible for eating and they are then defined as those who are herbivores. And then herbivores are further divivded into those which are eatable and those which are meant for carrying loads which includes horses, donkeys and mules. Camel is excluded from the list of beast of burden and declared as eatable. And then Qur'aan further tells that for you people He has sent eight families of herbivore mammals. But the ground reality is that there are nine families of herbivore mammals, The Ninth family is that of pig which is is not for us.
Search the word Al an'aam to know the facts. Stupid is one who is obcessed with anything and retarded is the one who claps on everything.
Dear Brother
Instead of talking ambigously ,why do you not post those verses which are concerned with your idea as you have been posting arabic text + English translation so that all of us are benefitted.
Thanks
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I fail to understand why people think they could be progressive as against hadith ridden people by considering desirable eating meat of cats and dogs.
Qur'aan, NOT Hadith, says only Al an'aam are permissible for eating and they are then defined as those who are herbivores. And then herbivores are further divivded into those which are eatable and those which are meant for carrying loads which includes horses, donkeys and mules. Camel is excluded from the list of beast of burden and declared as eatable. And then Qur'aan further tells that for you people He has sent eight families of herbivore mammals. But the ground reality is that there are nine families of herbivore mammals, The Ninth family is that of pig which is is not for us.
Search the word Al an'aam to know the facts. Stupid is one who is obcessed with anything and retarded is the one who claps on everything.
I am not saying that we SHOULD eat dogs. I personally would NEVER eat a dog! yuck
BUT cultures in different parts of the world eat dogs, and we have to respect that. The Quran DOES NOT PROHIBIT THE "BEASTS OF BURDEN" as you declare.
I dont understand how people dont get the verse which I quoted. "He ONLY prohibits..."
Has God mentioned dogs? Has he mentioned crabs, omnivores, etc.? NO!
Does God forget? NO!
So where do you get the idea of only the meats of herbivores being lawful?
This is a quote from the Quran (393)
All food used to be lawful for the Children of Israel, until Israel imposed certain
prohibitions on themselves before the Torah was sent down.
Say, "Bring the Torah and read it, if you are truthful."The same way that hadithist prohibit things which God has made lawful.
Bring your evidence from the Quran that only the meat of herbivores is halal, if you are truthful.I can only repeat the verse from the quran
"He ONLY prohibits for you the
eating of animals that die of them-
selves (without human interference),
blood, the meat of pigs, and
animals dedicated to other than God..." (2173)Do you believe God or not?
AGAIN Prohibiting what God has not prohibited is a major sin. It is SHIRK! You are following another authority besides God that mandates religious laws for you!
"They follow idols who decree for them religious laws never authorized by God. If it were not for the predetermined decision, they would have been judged immediately. The wicked have deserved a painful retribution." (4221)
I hope you ponder on the verses which I have provided you with.
Peace
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Peace,
According to the Quran, it is safe to conclude that all meats are forbidden except seafood and herbivorous animals or cattle which should add to eight pairs except swine, dead animals(with all its mentioned causes), and running blood.
This means that all birds are forbidden as it was never made permissible and never discussed in the Quran whether which types are allowed or forbidden.
Cheers,
Rami
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This doesn't tell me anything! I will check them in english and get back to you. But as I see you have disregarded the "he ONLY prohibts you.." part.
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Refering to 4079... God says that "some of them YOU EAT"... not "some of them you MAY eat"
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From 6145..
Say, "I do not find in the revela-
tions given to me any food that is
prohibited for any eater except
(1) carrion, (2) running blood,
(3) the meat* of pigs, for it is
contaminated, and (4) the meat of
animals blasphemously dedicated
to other than GOD." If one is
forced (to eat these), without being
deliberate or malicious, then your
Lord is Forgiver, Most Merciful. -
This doesn't tell me anything! I will check them in english and get back to you. But as I see you have disregarded the "he ONLY prohibts you.." part.
Salaam Brother
I agree with you . There are three location where Allah is declaring these "Haraam animals".53
(53) Forbidden to you are carrion, *9 blood, the flesh of swine, the animal slaughtered in any name other than Allah's, *10 the animal which has either been strangled, killed by blows, has died of a fall, by goring or that devoured by a beast of prey - unless it be that which you yourselves might have slaughtered while it was still alive *11 - and that which was slaughtered at the altars. *12- *13
You are also forbidden to seek knowledge of your fate by divining arrows. *14 All these are sinful acts. This day the unbelievers have fully despaired of your religion. Do not fear them; but fear Me. *15 This day I have perfected for you your religion, and have bestowed upon you My bounty in full measure, and have been pleased to assign for you Islam as your religion. (Follow, then, the lawful and unlawful bounds enjoined upon you.) *16 As for he who is driven by hunger, without being wilfully inclined to sin, surely Allah is All-Forgiving, All-Compassionate. *172173
(2173) Allah has only forbidden you to eat what dies of itself, and blood and swine flesh and what has been consecrated to any other name than of Allah. *171 But one will incur no sin if, forced by absolute necessity, he eats of any of these forbidden things, provided he has no intention of transgressing the law and does not take more than what is absolutely indispensable for Allah is very Forgiving and very Merciful.16115
(16115) Allah has forbidden only these things do not eat what dies of itself nor blood nor swine flesh nor what has been slaughtered in any name other than Allah. But if forced by hunger one eats of any of these forbidden things, provided he has no intention of breaking the Divine Law or of transgressing the limits by taking more than what is absolutely indispensable, one may expect mercy, for Allah is very Forgiving and very Compassionate.At fourth place Allah clearly commands
6145
(6145) Tell them (O Muhammad!) 'I do not find in what has been revealed to me anything forbidden for anyone who wants to eat unless it is carrion, outpoured blood and the flesh of swine, all of which is unclean; or that which is profane having been slaughtered in a name other than that of Allah. *121 But whosoever is constrained to it by necessity - neither desiring to disobey nor exceeding the limit of necessity - your Lord is surely AllForgiving, All-Compassionate.This way of statement is exactly like this that a doctor tells the patient "Do not eat ABCD"
Doesn't it mean the patient can eat rest of eatables?We should not forget
587
(587) Believers! Do not hold as unlawful the good things which Allah has made lawful to you, *104 and do not exceed the bounds of right. *105 Allah does not love those who transgress the bounds of right.As far as this logic beast of burden is concerned because of which Mazhar is making an animal Haraam. How about "Camels"? Halaal or Haraam?
What about BIRDs ??
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Prohibition and Permissible are given distinctly in the Qur'aan. Dogs etc are NOT declared as your Rizq. Only milk giving herbivores other than employed as beast of burden are made permissible for eating and are declared as Rizq given by Allah, in all the Ayat quoted in earlier post. The Ayah quoted talks as an explanation given by the Messenger about the things prohibited by Allah in other verses. Here reason is also given with clarification that blood which is flowing liquid is haram, otherwise some blood always remains within the body of slaugtered herbivore. At all other places only blood was mentioned.
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peace q_student
the answer is in 6145
And based on your ABCD example you should know that camels are halal.
Remember that if it is not specifically mentioned as haram, then is halal.
So basically camels are halal. -
Prohibition and Permissible are given distinctly in the Qur'aan. Dogs etc are NOT declared as your Rizq. Only milk giving herbivores other than employed as beast of burden are made permissible for eating and are declared as Rizq given by Allah, in all the Ayat quoted in earlier post. The Ayah quoted talks as an explanation given by the Messenger about the things prohibited by Allah in other verses. Here reason is also given with clarification that blood which is flowing liquid is haram, otherwise some blood always remains within the body of slaugtered herbivore. At all other places only blood was mentioned.
if you want to go by this although I have given evidence from the Quran, you are free to do so, but I am not.
I will follow the quran. as for rizq is that like domestic animals? clarify