sex before marriage
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Peace LT,
Ayah speaks about yet another form of contracts, but patience should still be a better option for those men.
What about women? Women have needs too! -)I say both men and women like sex. FULLSTOP.
It is just that women's sexuality has been surpressed by men for thousands of years!
Sex hormones are not equal in men and women.
Men and women have equal sex drive. It just that women were never free to express their sexuality for thousands of years because of tryanny of men.
Regards,
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The text goes waman yukrihhunna fa-inna Allaha min baAAdi ikrahihinnaghafoorun raheemun
This is talking about THE COMPELLER, 'yukrihunna' doesn't the refer to the people BEING FORCED.
So you are saying that Allah will be merciful and forgiving for the compeller, the compeller who is benfitting from those innocent girls, but not for the girls who were forced to do something against their will!!! Not only you are lacking logic, but also basic Arabic.Nobody here has ever said that Al Zina is ok!
No, but you were clever enough to manipulate the translation of az-zinaa.
Other than the other-worldly translation you have of az-zinaa, prostitution IS zinaa and zinaa is NOT ok.So according to you, Allah is in short of words. Using two completely different words in completely different situations to mean one thing! Take care!
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So you are saying that Allah will be merciful and forgiving for the compeller, the compeller who is benfitting from those innocent girls, but not for the girls who were forced to do something against their will!!! Not only you are lacking logic, but also basic Arabic.
I definitely lack 'prostitute-loving' Arabic which you posess which can LIE about zaani and zaaniyah
But do teach me please Taj, after all, you must be a real expert. What's the meaning of 'YUKRIHUNNA. Isn't 'hunna' the third person pronoun ONLY FOR WOMEN? Come on Taj, bring out the dictionary which says 'zaani' is only a married person as it may help you manipulate the grammar too, lol.
So according to you, Allah is in short of words. Using two completely different words in completely different situations to mean one thing! Take care!
Rubbish. Zinaa needn't include the fees ! Prostitution must include the fees! And you're telling me about logic? Come on!
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Peace mquran,
Hey its very easy for women to be whores. All they have to do is run thier business from inside closed doors.
Peace mquran, it's clear that you are a man or said in another way, I think only a man would think like that. If you meant another thing, it's ok. I am commenting as a result of that wording, especially the word "easy"
I mean legally, dear sister. Legally, no one in a quranic society can stop any woman who prostitutes herself behind closed doors. Of course, for any moral woman, doing such a thing must be terrible to say the least
Ahhh! OK.
Isn't the language exciting?
You meant that it is very easy for prostitutes to hidden their activity and you wrote, I suppose in haste, that it very easy for women to be whores!!
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You meant that it is very easy for prostitutes to hidden their activity and you wrote, I suppose in haste, that it very easy for women to be whores!!
Not just to hide. They can be very open about it. It can be 'quranic city whore centre' and no one has the right to enter and kick them out. However, im assuming such a centre would run out business pronto because in that city, no one really wants that sort of thing!
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Salam Jaxal,
If i am understanding you correctly, you are saying that i can have sex out of desperation and God will forgive that. Yes?
The desperate will not be considered sinful as long as he does not transgress and/or offend anyone as in , . If showing Kufr will spare your life then Allah gives you the license to act as a Kafir as long as your heart is full with faith and you don't transgress or offend anyone.
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SaLaM Taj
Ok http//www.geocities.com/bigjaxal/s1.gif. I dont agree with you becoz God has given me 2 hands in my time of 'despair'. This goes for women too. So they dont really have an excuse for that. But that is just my opinion. http//www.geocities.com/bigjaxal/s1.gif
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Dear Taj
i'm with you on this when you state
So you are saying that Allah will be merciful and forgiving for the compeller, the compeller who is benfitting from those innocent girls, but not for the girls who were forced to do something against their will!!!
Sure i don't share mqurans understanding on forgiveness on the compeller which is real strange! Unless we havn't gotten him right ?
What about it mquran ?On the other hand i do not follow you either when to jaxals question
SaLaM Taj
If i am understanding you correctly, you are saying that i can have sex out of desperation and God will forgive that. Yes?
you answer the following
If showing Kufr will spare your life then Allah gives you the license to act as a Kafir as long as your heart is full with faith and you don't transgress or offend anyone.
I think you're really mixing up things. Nobody is forcing Jaxal to see prostitutes. wink And sorry, desperate man also have the self service option. A man using a prostitute is no better (or worse) than the prostitute herself. Except if she has been forced into this "job" - in which case he alone is to blame for abusing a person in a desperate situation.
Peace all, Elke
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Peace Elke,
Thank you, Elke. I always appreciate your feedback.
I think you're really mixing up things. Nobody is forcing Jaxal to see prostitutes. And sorry, desperate man also have the self service option. A man using a prostitute is no better (or worse) than the prostitute herself. Except if she has been forced into this "job" - in which case he alone is to blame for abusing a person in a desperate situation.
I cannot measure desperation. God only can. If somebody tells me that he is desperate, what can I say to him? If he thinks he can fool me/people, he sure cannot fool God.A man using a prostitute is no better (or worse) than the prostitute herself.
I don't know if he is better or worse because I cannot judge the woman to begin with! Is she bad, is she good, is she Kafirah, is she Muminah, who knows but Allah?Except if she has been forced into this "job"
I don't know who or what forced her into such humility but it sure is something much worse than humility itself.
in which case he alone is to blame for abusing a person in a desperate situation.
Abusing? Do you mean taking advantage? Well, if he is not offending her or transgressing, then that is between those two people and God. I cannot blame or judge. I don't know about their desperation. Is sex desperation similar to food desperation, when one is allowed to eat the dead, even dead humans' flesh, or drink blood...? I don't know.
In the book "The Barefoot Bread", one time, the Moroccan author asked the prostitute for sodomizing and she refused. She told him it is Haram! -
SaLaM Taj
I can tell you from my experiance. The worst people have some sense of morals. But this does not justify what they are doing. Would you allow ur daughter to have sex outside marriage with a willing man simply becoz she is desperate? Or would u rather do it on her own in her own privacy?
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Salaam Sis Taj,
You said I find our customs revolve around men.
Might that be the reason that you defend the prostitute women?
Peace
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Salaam Taj,
the book you talk about is 'le pain nu' in French - i read it but so long ago i don't remember that part...
If i say "no better (or worse)" it's also coz for sure i can't judge the person - don't know her life, what brought this person to do this...only god can. I only talk about the act itself - giving and receiving sex for money.
Taj
Abusing? Do you mean taking advantage? Well, if he is not offending her or transgressing, then that is between those two people and God.A man knowing that a woman is forced into prostitution - being by other men or poverty - is taking advantage of her. If he wished to be clean, he should give her saddaqa instead - and still, may be even saddaqa would go in the hands of her pimp... I'm not talking about the author of the book in love with the prostitute...this is fiction, even though real life often is above fiction
LK