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Irshad Manji anyone ?

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    mquran
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    Yeah, I read it last year. She seems to be rather superficial in her analysis. She wants to limit al-islaam to its so-called 'meccan' spiritual side while questioning its political medinan side. Obviously, this dichotomy has been artificially created by the sunnis.

    I wrote to her, asking her why she questions the works of sunni scholars but not thier definitions. For the word 'kafir', why not use al-quraan's defition and not the sunni racist definition. She responded by saying she will respond later. That was a year ago.

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      zenje
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      Wakas is right... the search function is an excellent tool on this board. )

      http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2537&highlight=manji

      http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1417&highlight=manji

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        Edip_Yuksel
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        I browsed her book and communicated with her via mail and phone conversations.

        Irshad is not a scholar, but a young journalist. Her book contains many good points, mostly diagnosis, but she falls short in providing a theological solution. She does not appear to have faith in the Quran; thus, she seems to be a "Muslim" just because of her country of origin, or her ancestors.

        Once she offered me to join or lead an organization she was contemplating. But, after learning her position on Palestinian and Israeli conflict, I found out that she sees the conflict through the lens of Zionist propaganda. So, I did not accept her offer.

        However, if she has not sold her soul to certain interest groups, I believe that the differences can be reconciled through face-to-face discussion with her.

        Peace,
        Edip

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          mquran
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          Well yeah Zenj, but 'manji's not exactly a common name. Try 'salaat' !

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            Sarat
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            I remember reading her book at a bookstore and thinking how everything she seems to be railing on has more to do with how south asians in England practice Islam than anything else.

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              The reason Irshad Manji sees Palestine Isreal conflict from the Zionist eyes because her partner is Jew. Lesbians.

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                mo_mentum
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                She doesn't garner much credibility up here (Canada). She's been on quite a few TV debates with other Canadian Muslim scholars like Mr. Badawi..and she gets blown out of the water everytime. I personally have a dislike for her opinions 'cause I don't think she really knows what she's talking about. Sounds more like she's writing apologetics for her own feel-good-about-my-lesbianism. I dunno. Ain't judging..but i dont like her.

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                  mquran
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                  I don't think its easy to escape artificial elements in an analysis of 'islam' in the world. Repeatedly, the analyst is plugged with the notions of the 3 semitic religions. One QURANIC speaker here in London actually called Islam 'the youngest semitic religion'. My eyes nearly fell out out of my head upon hearing that, but there you go! This is how deep this myth has penetrated our collective unconscious.

                  The sad thing about it is, al-quraan is the only book i've encountered which actually repudiates all external attempts which attempts to interfere in the tranmission of the message and it builds its own foundations of interpretation.

                  People like Irshad Manji and other detractors can only get away if those who stand by al-quraan fail to use al-quraan. Be very wary of 'scholarship' without evidence. God doesn't grant PhD's !

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                    I don't think its easy to escape artificial elements in an analysis of 'islam' in the world. Repeatedly, the analyst is plugged with the notions of the 3 semitic religions. One QURANIC speaker here in London actually called Islam 'the youngest semitic religion'. My eyes nearly fell out out of my head upon hearing that, but there you go! This is how deep this myth has penetrated our collective unconscious.

                    Quran is indeed based on the Semitic Idea of God.

                    The sad thing about it is, al-quraan is the only book i've encountered which actually repudiates all external attempts which attempts to interfere in the tranmission of the message and it builds its own foundations of interpretation.

                    Yes, you keep saying that on and on again. Lets have it then?

                    People like Irshad Manji and other detractors can only get away if those who stand by al-quraan fail to use al-quraan. Be very wary of 'scholarship' without evidence. God doesn't grant PhD's !

                    How do you "know" that God does not grant PhDs? -)

                    Regards,

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                      mquran
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                      Quran is indeed based on the Semitic Idea of God

                      That depends upon your epistemology. I find it strange that you accept Western Academia's axioms without any analysis

                      Yes, you keep saying that on and on again. Lets have it then?

                      I've already given an example to Elena some weeks ago

                      http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4097&highlight=birds

                      How do you "know" that God does not grant PhDs?

                      I didn't see him at the ceremonies I've been to D

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                        How do you "know" that God does not grant PhDs?

                        I didn't see him at the ceremonies I've been to

                        LOL! That response was so cute! wink

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