Judaism
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Peace be upon you,
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You will have to come to an exact deifinition of "spiritual". You will find that many cannot explain that word. That which is spiritual is that which deals with the "nafs"(spirit/mind). The human being comes into existense when the Spirit(nafs) is BREATHED into the human, and that happens before the baby even comes out of the womb. If you ponder on it, you will realize that the spiritual journey starts when the Spirit (nafs) is blown into the "clay". If you stil agree, I will ask you to define EXACTLY at what age/time one begins to seek "spiritual" guidance? Just because a baby cannot articulate exactly what the urges it is experiening are, does not mean it doesnt have these urges.As you speak of what is breathed into us from the days of the womb or even clay - that would be the "ruuh" that you refer to which is the translation of it.
You are absolutely correct! My error, I was trying to reply to fast. But the point still remains, just replace nafs with ruh (except the first occurence).
The nafs would be the part of "spirit" that is rather a reflection, since nafs means "self" and aims to the kind of spiritual quest that you and I and most of the others on this forum take upon us. That is not the kind of journey that a kid of between 6 months-2 years takes upon him or her. That was what I was speaking of as I said that children are not in need of such a guidance. if we look at what you're saying - clay would be in need of spiritual guidance too and I wouldn't anyway put it in such terms.
If what I am saying is not true, then there must be a discernable time when spriitual guidance is needed, please inform me of that time. Its the same as trying to find when night stops and day starts, or when hot stops and cold starts.
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Sect is easy to understand. We can look at the word "SECTion" as oppossed to "WHOLE". When we take from the WHOLE and break into SECTions, each section rejoicing in what it has as oppossed to others, then it is a sect. Peacefulness(islam) is a way of life.Oh damnit. Then anything that isn't 100% communal is a sect to you?
Maybe this will explain the phrase "Hear O Isreal, the Lord your God is ONE".
The term Holy comes from "WHOLE"
My mother doesn't work with my father. She works with the public SECTor and my father runs a company of his own. Does that make the swedish authorities a SECT of what the word means? You tell me...
Again, I am not talking about the physica plane, I am dealing with belief systems (thoughts with energy/emotion behind them).
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I was not talking on the physical level, I am speaking of the Spiritual/mental level, your THOUGHTS/IDEAS. So to take your example, what does it mean to"join my brothaz in the hood"? Do you mean to physically move there? If so, then no that does not detach yuo from the rest of the world. But I dont think you meant moving to Isreal when you said "converting to Judaism". I think what you meant was taking on a certain belief system. So to use my neighborhood as an example of "the hood", many on my block have the mindset that they should sell drugs, which makes them part of a "group" who may or may not eventually go to war with another group who sells drugs. This disconnects one human from another.Same with judaism, the RELIGION ISLAM christianity, etc etc.
PEACEFULNESS does not cause sects.
Why would not peacefulness not be able to operate within any social or religious group? One of these groups does not guarantee peacefulness, but excluding the members of such a group from peacefulness is to me pretty narrow minded.
I have not excluded anyone from Peace, I am saying that is all that really matters, not the title. That is why this reading (quran) says that ANYONE who trusts in the God, The ending time, and lives righteous will have thier reward. You can be peaceful "jew", peaceful "christian", etc.
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The man and woman are created to come together to continue the species, just like all creatures do naturally. To go against nature is the wrong path. Form and function show us clearly the purpose of the penis and vagina, see how they fit together perfectly? Do you try to put a plug into another plug, or into an outlet?No that's not the thing, nature created things to eat but we still use micro wave ovens in order to eat the food.
I'm sure that gay people can work things out, and it's not even an issue. working the outlet/plug thing out.
Do I always have sex in order to penetrate my women and impregnant her? Well, without revealing to many details about my sex life - I don't. Does that make our act act unnatural? I don't think so.Let me know how they work out the plug with the plug D
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Is it easier to get rich if you are jewish?
Isn't that the old stereotype prejudice against the Jews? Would you raise this question if he would convert to Bahai or Christianity?
Actually, I think it is an interesting question, considering what el-Aziz had said before. Plus, Nural, did a pretty good job of saying he's merely asking out of curiousity.For some reason when I read this, I thought of the community that follows Aga Khan (Ismailiya/Khoja? ? ). They really support each other in terms of finances and other community needs, like housing etc. It's a close-knit community, and I'm not sure if just anyone can convert into it though. All in all, it is easier to be well off, financially if you're in that group. Atleast this is from what I've seen in my country.
Peace
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For some reason when I read this, I thought of the community that follows Aga Khan (Ismailiya/Khoja? ). They really support each other in terms of finances and other community needs, like housing etc. It's a close-knit community, and I'm not sure if just anyone can convert into it though. All in all, it is easier to be well off, financially if you're in that group. Atleast this is from what I've seen in my country
Good point. They're not as prolific as the Jews in the acquisition of power through positioning though.
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Peace,
For some reason when I read this, I thought of the community that follows Aga Khan (Ismailiya/Khoja? ). They really support each other in terms of finances and other community needs, like housing etc. It's a close-knit community, and I'm not sure if just anyone can convert into it though.
Yes, right you are Zein. There is another community called Memons. Khoja's are also a community. My stepmom is Khoja and a Shia. They are pretty well off and these communities do support each other quite a lot no matter which country they settle in.
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Salaam St?phane,
Don't be so ironic!!!! Or I will tell all what u going to convert to.
And that u have gays as friends shock
Peace Sis Maria
First of all, it is no secret that I'm planning on converting to judaism so you are free to tell anyone about my thoughts.
Second, it cannot possibly be a secret that I do have gay friends so the threat that you will tell about me having gay friends is no longer a threat.
Third, I was not being Ironic.Moreover, I do not accept these attacks that are not what so ever related to the subjected.
Ok. Good luck.
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First of all, it is no secret that I'm planning on converting to judaism.
My question is...what are you converting to?? Is Judaism from Allah?, if so, please post the ayat or Torah verse where Allah or Moses says that, they brought Judaism as a Deen. Thanks.
Listen man, that you'd have to ask someone that makes such a stupid claim that judaism is a deen from God. 'Cause I don't.
I answered the question out of zenjes curiousity where upon he split the thread in order to discuss the subject on another thread.Hmmm...it seemed pretty stupid to me that, given that Allah has cursed the Jews, that you would want to be apart of that...in any degree. wink
Btw, take it easy.
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First of all, it is no secret that I'm planning on converting to judaism.
My question is...what are you converting to?? Is Judaism from Allah?, if so, please post the ayat or Torah verse where Allah or Moses says that, they brought Judaism as a Deen. Thanks.
Listen man, that you'd have to ask someone that makes such a stupid claim that judaism is a deen from God. 'Cause I don't.
I answered the question out of zenjes curiousity where upon he split the thread in order to discuss the subject on another thread.Hmmm...it seemed pretty stupid to me that, given that Allah has cursed the Jews, that you would want to be apart of that...in any degree. wink
Btw, take it easy.
I got nothing aginst the Jews, but I do feel sorry for them because all of trhe stuff taht they have being through. Plus, you are so right they are coursed and why do you want to be with that. I do not understand.
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I got nothing aginst the Jews, but I do feel sorry for them because all of trhe stuff taht they have being through. Plus, you are so right they are cursed and why do you want to be with that. I do not understand.
I feel much as you do about feeling sorry for many of them. As far as el-aziz is concerned, well, he is simply not thinking clearly at the moment, hopefully, by being here at free-minds, he will grow.
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I got nothing aginst the Jews, but I do feel sorry for them because all of trhe stuff taht they have being through. Plus, you are so right they are cursed and why do you want to be with that. I do not understand.
I feel much as you do about feeling sorry for many of them. As far as el-aziz is concerned, well, he is simply not thinking clearly at the moment, hopefully, by being here at free-minds, he will grow.
Exactly. I feel you and maybe he will learn as well.
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Exactly. I feel you and maybe he will learn as well.
Well..we'll see D
Are you enjoying the site? I am the resident black sheep, here, but I'm fun lol
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Exactly. I feel you and maybe he will learn as well.
Well..we'll see
Are you enjoying the site? I am the resident black sheep, here, but I'm fun lol
Right. Time will tell.
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Dhulqarnane and Fatima...
It is indeed relucantly that I feel myself having to express my disgust for such comments as the jews would be cursed by God (where do you get that from anyway?) and talking of me in third person whilst stating that I'm not thinking clearly.
Now let's say I am confused... Do you think that this kind of talking with a total lack of modesty will get me thinking clear? Think again dhully...and you too American Fatima!I got nothing aginst the Jews, but I do feel sorry for them because all of trhe stuff taht they have being through. Plus, you are so right they are cursed and why do you want to be with that. I do not understand.
I feel much as you do about feeling sorry for many of them. As far as el-aziz is concerned, well, he is simply not thinking clearly at the moment, hopefully, by being here at free-minds, he will grow.
Exactly. I feel you and maybe he will learn as well.
regards,
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Could you describe the conversion process to Judaism? I thought that it was basically a long process of learning Jewish scriptures, etc. In that case, the conversion process would indicate that one is becoming a religious Jew. Does Judaism recognize a conversion for the sake of culture? I do not think that you can escape the question of having faith in Judaism...it is both a faith and a culture. Your explanation that you want to "play in team Jew" is rather odd. I still think that it is like saying that you would like to be Black b/c of the culture...however, because Judaism is a faith(unlike being Black), there is a conversion process. And you say that you are not "converting," but that too is semantics, b/c that is exactly what you are doing...unless I have totally missed your point...Can I also ask what culture you belong to currently, and what ethnicity? I think this is one of the most interesting threads we've had in a while...barring the recent rude posts )
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Could you describe the conversion process to Judaism? I thought that it was basically a long process of learning Jewish scriptures, etc. In that case, the conversion process would indicate that one is becoming a religious Jew. Does Judaism recognize a conversion for the sake of culture? I do not think that you can escape the question of having faith in Judaism...it is both a faith and a culture. Your explanation that you want to "play in team Jew" is rather odd. I still think that it is like saying that you would like to be Black b/c of the culture...however, because Judaism is a faith(unlike being Black), there is a conversion process. And you say that you are not "converting," but that too is semantics, b/c that is exactly what you are doing...unless I have totally missed your point...Can I also ask what culture you belong to currently, and what ethnicity? I think this is one of the most interesting threads we've had in a while...barring the recent rude posts )
I have heard of such things as conversion for the sake of culture but it has never been confirmed to me.
The thing is, Judaism is a culture of faith, and jews have faith in their culture and its history, so I would consider them equal. Even an atheistic jew would not generally disregard either of them. That's why the the process of conversion is pretty much studies of the scriptures AND history of philosophy and culture.
Still I can't really cope with how compare being black to being jewish. The thing is, as a caucasian, I cannot convert to blackness but I can still join a culture which may be considered one of theirs, such as hip hop.
In the case of the team of jews, they already have a lot of players and they are certainly not in the need for more. However, if one seriously like to play with them - he can. Still, he has to prove whatever level of devotion he posseses and that will come out during the process of conversion. Many of the peope that go through the process never reaches "beit din (the religious court)" and that's no big deal.