Freedom of Expression curtailed!
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truth, in his above comments, has flagrantly disregarded your order to stop attacking me. He, of course, will lament that he isn't referring to me, but we know that is pure baloney and that he is clearly and umistakeably alluding to me. He, in recent posts, has referred to me as a troll , the individual who was banned, and that I should be ejected from this forum, so, we know exactly to whom he is referring. Then, not satisfied with attacking me, he nows wants to insidiously suggest that, because you have shown me liency and not banned me, that I have avenged myself on the authorities and have won some victory. His sole mission here at Free-Minds, is not to engage in debate in order to gain better understanding of the Deen of Allah, but to continue to attempt to smear me and prejudice staff and members against me. He has used the analogies of ape and dog in regard to me and now grub and, despite your statement that I will not be banned, he continues to ask that I be ejected. In addition, he now wants to play on the resentment that some of the mods have for me, in the wake of some of our debates, by suggesting that I have won some vengeful victory over them.
And this demonstrates exactly how the offending person can take control of the forum and why the promise to harshly implement the rules is a victory for the troublemaker. The admins effectively end up becoming the pawns for this type of activity.
I have respected this forum chiefly because of its overall very fair approach to moderation and banishment of members. That is precisely why a ban that has been applied has always come after serious and repeated breeches of rules. A ban was not whimsical or temporary.
A ban on this forum in my view was something that had to be earned decisively. There's only a handful of people that have needed this most severe form of censure. There's only one who's gotten it twice, and is still here to speak out against others and has even become arrogant and empowered enough to call for the banishment of other people.
Regards.
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Note that the post above is being embellished with quotes that appear in a later post of mine.
The last editing timestamp shows tampering of the inital post proved because there is quoting of material from a post that I made after his post.
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PEACE, LAYTH,
truth, still won't let it go...
truth While I have arrived late to give my view on this; my impression is that this toughening up is exactly the type of secondary gain a troll would be delighted at. It sets up the tantalising situation where the troll can now continue their old methods attempting to lure people into situations where the authorities may need to apply their strict rulings. If a troll had been banned twice before, for example, then this would be an ideal form of revenge upon the authorities; because they've been instrumental in changing the structure and running of the forum. This is a victory for the troll. If you've identified the grub that is bringing down the tree then it's far better to extract and eject the grub, than to try spraying the whole tree and perhaps killing it in the process together with the grub.
truth And this demonstrates exactly how the offending person can take control of the forum and why the promise to harshly implement the rules is a victory for the troublemaker.
Through appeasement, this sort of nonsense is allowed to happen and the admins effectively end up becoming the pawns, of the initial cause of the problem.
I have respected this forum chiefly because of its overall very fair approach to moderation and banishment of members. That is precisely why a ban that has been applied has always come after serious and repeated breeches of rules. A ban was not whimsical or temporary.
A ban on this forum in my view was something that had to be earned decisively. There's only a handful of people that have needed this most severe form of censure. There's only one who's gotten it twice, and is still here to speak out against others and even become arrogant and empowered enough to call for their banishment.
No single person is important enough that they should be allowed to interfere and cause the loss of multiple other contributors on multiple occasions. What I have warned about above is happening in front of your very eyes.
Layth, you posted the following on another thread
Dhul had re-entered the forum under a false handle/identity due to his username and IP being previously banned; however, there was no need for him to come forth and expose his identity (which he did) and therefore his previous ban was lifted due to this act of openess.
What has passed has passed and I would invite all members to begin a new page.With regards to the action to be taken in this particular case...
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All verbal abuses/insults/attacks that have been made by or against Dhul are requested to stop immediatly (with no action to be taken by the Mods).
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Any future attacks or issues or insults will be dealt with harshly and severely (that includes banning anyone, including Dhul).
truth, in his above comments, has flagrantly disregarded your order to stop attacking me. He, of course, will lament that he isn't referring to me, but we know that is pure baloney and that he is clearly and umistakeably alluding to me. He, in recent posts, has referred to me as a troll , the individual who was banned, and that I should be ejected from this forum, so, we know exactly to whom he is referring. Then, not satisfied with attacking me, he nows wants to insidiously suggest that, because you have shown me liency and not banned me, that I have avenged myself on the authorities and have won some victory. His sole mission here at Free-Minds, is not to engage in debate in order to gain better understanding of the Deen of Allah, but to continue to attempt to smear me and prejudice staff and members against me. He has used the analogies of ape and dog in regard to me and now grub and, despite your statement that I will not be banned, he continues to ask that I be ejected. In addition, he now wants to play on the resentment that some of the mods have for me, in the wake of some of our debates, by suggesting that I have won some vengeful victory over them.
What this individual is forgetting or is ignorant of or just outright rejects is that, you can ban and re-instate anyone you wish and he resents that and, that I've been allowed back. He wants to hold my feet to fire for coming back, yet, when ordered to comply with your order to stop with the personal attacks, he chooses to break that rule/order...repeatedly. It is plain that he has no respect for anyone or any rules.
Why is this individual being allowed to continue to attack me, flagrantly disregard the forum rules/your direct order, and spread obvious divisiveness and poison here?
I think you will agree that, had I posted those inciteful comments, in the wake of your explicit order not to, the next time I clicked on the forum, it would have read---"You have been banned from this forum..."
Peace.
It's now
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Why am I highlighting this?
DHULQARNANE has shamefully added the text in blue which was posted AFTERWARDS in RESPONSE to the very post HE made, to falsely create the impression that I had posted it earlier!
And that I am not letting it go (in red) which he also added later to create a false case against me!
You can see the type of deception and tactics from this example. This is abhorrent and shows the lengths he will go to.
Surely everyone can see this is falsehood and that I have been wronged here. It shows patently how DHULQARNANE manipulates things.
Surely this can't be tolerated? Surely this sort of manipulation is wrong and PROVES conclusively the type of person and the lengths they'll go to.
Regards.
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Regretfully and a pity to witness such revolting and uncanny posts by few members who seem to have teamed up in rebellious mode bearing insults, lies, character assassinations, irrelevant exposure, foul-mouthed and finally blaming and pushing their limits to ban another forum ?muslim? member out of sheer vanity, resentment, incompetence and weaknesses that they themselves demonstrate. In light of the Quran, such are the ones called for as hypocrites, deceivers and wrong doers, hence their own exposure.
Right. Awesome assumptions.
Priest_Bokmie (aka Dhulqarnain) has been on this forum for quite some time, significantly and effectively participating with the intention to study the Quran thoroughly as it should be, without an agenda or mindset of a cult/religion, unlike many of his confused and resentful opponents here. I can very well understand his repetitious posts, and that is due to his irrefutable/unanswered posts to several others on the same lines and perhaps at the same time. Only when his opponents are driven to ?edges of cliff? and challenged and when they backfire with personal attacks, that is when Dhulqarnain becomes cautiously defensive.
Lol.
You folks (Jaxal, Nadia and specially "truth" and Ahmed) have neither complied to the forum rules nor taken into account any moral and ethical standards to debate/discuss matters out yourselves. The essence of learning to understand the Quran is not via zealous minds. I believe a wise decision has already been made by Layth, hence stop grumbling and move on.
These are unsubstantiated claims coming from someone wanting to defend DQ blindly. I protest all these useless assumptions. I protest all these slurs used with my name with no evidence forthcoming except random musings with a thesaurus. I am being maligned. Thank you.
savage_carrot,
I see what you're all about.
Above is another useless post directed at me.
that's me, flying away until you guys can sort this drama out...please, for the sake of the forum, just let it go
Yes, I too am going to hitch a ride with Tay and I request people to not use my name unless they have outstanding evidence, or if I have stolen their cookie jar.
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Peace,
I have re-examined this whole episode and found that my judgement call was incorrect in-light of the argument/logic presented by Truth.
As such, and so as not to have more than one scale by which to judge, the ban on Dhul has been re-instated.
While I appreciate that some forum members were trying to make things right by engaging in heated debates/arguments with Dhul, I must say that I did not (and do not) appreciate the language or style that was used most of the time.
Let the Scripture be our guide and let us be its followers
?Have you not seen how God cites the example of a good word is like a good tree, whose root is firm and its branches in the sky. It bears its fruit every so often by its Lord?s leave. And God cites the examples for mankind, perhaps they will remember.? (The Message 1427-2
?Invite to the path of your Lord with wisdom and good advice, and argue with them in that which is better. Your Lord is fully aware of who is misguided from His path, and He is fully aware of the guided ones.? (The Message 16126)
?Not equal are the good and the bad response. You shall resort to the one which is better. Thus, the one who used to be your enemy, may become your best friend.? (The Message 4134)
?And the servants of the Almighty who walk on the Earth in humility and if the ignorant speak to them, they Say ?Peace.?? (The Message 2564)
?O you who believe, let not a people ridicule other people, for they may be better than they. Nor shall any women ridicule other women, for they may be better than they. Nor shall you mock one another, or call each other names. Evil indeed is the reversion to wickedness after attaining faith. And anyone who does not repent, then these are the transgressors.? (The Message 4912)
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Don't mess with my tail! or my tale!
