The Omnipotent, Omnipresent, All knowing but Doing Nothing?
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Salam,
Thousands of people have died or are injured because of the devastation caused by the quake on the 8th of October in northern Pakistan. Millions are made homeless. The images of this catastrophe make my heart bleed. I keep asking myself and the Almighty, Why all these people have to die like this? Kids trapped under the debris, some might have died instantaneously, and others might have died waiting for someone to rescue them. Mothers, sisters and other family members helplessly starring at the debris where their loved ones were buried, praying desperately for some messiah to come down and deliver them, but instead it was rain and hailstones which came down from the sky to add more misery to their already shattered lives.The irony is that it all happened in Ramadan, supposed to be the month of blessings? THE MONTH OF BLESSINGS?????????
It?s been more then a month since the tragedy and every day you see the sufferings of these people on TV and hear their tragic stories. You see kids who have lost their entire families, they themselves are injured and are stunned to find them surrounded by strangers instead of their loved ones. Many kids have lost their abilities to speak because of the agony and horror they have gone through.
Today I was watching this documentary on district bagh, there was this guy whose 6years old daughter was trapped under the debris, she kept calling her father for help but the poor fellow could do nothing except talking to her and looking at the sky and begging the Almighty for help, then after two days there was silence. There are thousands of stories like his.
The ground reality is, No angels came down from the sky to help, instead they have come from different cities of Pakistan and from different nations of the world to help ease the sufferings of the victims. I salute these great humane beings.
Whatever food, medicine, and cloths they are getting, they are getting from their fellow humane beings, they are the ones who have rescued and saved many. They with their machines are trying their best to remove the debris and airlift them to hospitals. Places where they cant reach because of the difficult mountainous tracks, people are in miserable condition and yet no help from the almighty to ease their sufferings. Why the most gracious, the most merciful is not helping?
- HE is the Originator of the heavens and the earth. When HE decrees a thing, HE only says to it `Be,' and it is.
All He has to say is a single word?
I am overwhelmed with emotions at the moment, the agony of thousands of people and SPECIALLY THE KIDS, HAS shattered me apart , please forgive me if I have crossed the limits in the portrayal of my emotions.
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Why the most gracious, the most merciful is not helping?
- HE is the Originator of the heavens and the earth. When HE decrees a thing, HE only says to it `Be,' and it is.
All He has to say is a single word?
Peace,
The translations are misleading.
"Be and it becomes".
The laws of the universe are not broken. The God has put into place a system of laws / physics that must take place. The continents must slide, the earthquakes happen as a consequence.
No one has an anchor implanted firmly in this world. Life is temporary, fleeting. The death of these people may be a mercy, and it is certainly a test, and the God promises that people will be tested.
Do you expect to enter Paradise without being tested like those before you? They were tested with hardship and adversity, and were shaken up, until the messenger and those who believed with him said, "Where is GOD's victory?" GOD's victory is near.
We have tested those before them, for GOD must distinguish those who are truthful, and He must expose the liars.
3310 When they came from above you, and from beneath you, your eyes were terrified, your hearts ran out of patience, and you harbored unbefitting thoughts about GOD.
3311 That is when the believers were truly tested; they were severely shaken up.I hope you can work through it. Many times these sorts of thoughts are an expression of one's own fears.
Peace.
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Peace agentxxx,
I am overwhelmed with emotions at the moment...
I would really be interested to hear what you have to say, and to discuss, after the "overwhelming emotions" pass, if you don't mind. In the meantime, I also hope that you're one of the "fellow human beings" helping in some way.
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Peace Agentxxx, All,
I think I understand your feelings, Agent. It is so devastating to watch people suffer let alone be the sufferer yourself! Everyday I ask "WHY?", why did God create this endless suffering? So that He would reward those sufferers with Jannah!? This I don't understand!
But to focus on "WHY?" instead of accepting the reality, will only cripple us, don't you think? -
Its so saddening to see such suffering.....yet we learn little from it..(
I hope your country ppl recovers from such pain....
Just wanted to ask everyone else...Do we have the knowledge to counter such destruction ? Do we have the knowledge to busind houses in such a way that earthquake wont distroy like it has done in pakistan ? Was their any fault from human side while building those houses as we know humans get corrupted easily..??
May be we will find answer to our questions how the blessing comes and how we should act..
peace for all those lost souls..
shanti
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Do we have the knowledge to busind houses in such a way that earthquake wont distroy like it has done in pakistan ? Was their any fault from human side while building those houses as we know humans get corrupted easily..??
Is this the real question? Of Human fallibility? or the Real question is IMPOTENCE OF A IMNIPOTENT and COMPASSIONATE GOD who is unable to intervene when his OWN LAWS creates such DEATH and DESTRUCTION?
No chaps and chapess - this question is very PROFOUND and has been debated for centruries and still is being debated and there is no answer to this question...NO ONE KNOWS THE TRUTH (to echo forum member open your mind wink)
Regards,
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Do we have the knowledge to busind houses in such a way that earthquake wont distroy like it has done in pakistan ? Was their any fault from human side while building those houses as we know humans get corrupted easily..??
Is this the real question? Of Human fallibility? or the Real question is IMPOTENCE OF A IMNIPOTENT and COMPASSIONATE GOD who is unable to intervene when his OWN LAWS creates such DEATH and DESTRUCTION?
No chaps and chapess - this question is very PROFOUND and has been debated for centruries and still is being debated and there is no answer to this question...NO ONE KNOWS THE TRUTH (to echo forum member open your mind wink)
Regards,
It's a profound question? Since when? Just because people debate over it doesn't mean it's 'profound'.
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It's a profound question? Since when? Just because people debate over it doesn't mean it's 'profound'.
Since Year Dot wink
Regards,
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salam,
Jaxal wrote
WE all die one day or the other. God does not says HOW we die. JUST that we die. Or do you expect everyone to die in old age?
Yes we all die eventually, but why some have to die so early and that too in a miserable condition? Their bodies left to rot in the open. Kids few year old with amputated limbs screaming in pain.
Yes it is my utmost desire for every one to have a long and prosperous life and I have always prayed for it. And jaxal is it difficult for God to do so?truth says
The translations are misleading.
"Be and it becomes".We don?t seem to agree on any translation of the verses of Quran, we like to interpret the translations according to our own desires or suitability, at least this is what I have noticed in all the Islamic forums I have visited or all the discussions I have viewed on tv.
The laws of the universe are not broken. The God has put into place a system of laws / physics that must take place. The continents must slide, the earthquakes happen as a consequence.
No one has an anchor implanted firmly in this world. Life is temporary, fleeting. The death of these people may be a mercy, and it is certainly a test, and the God promises that people will be tested.
What about parting of the red sea? Turning humans who transgressed into apes or swines?
Causing a man to die for 100 years? or the sleepers of the cave for 309 years? And my friend what about the destruction of the town of lot? Or Aad ? Laws of physics or Gods wrath?May be my good friend layth can answer it?
Fine if we stick to that theory of laws of physics, it make easy for us to understand. Or if we say after the completion of our deen and after sending his last prophet he is not interfering until the day of judgment, it will make easy for people like me to understand, but if we say those who have died have died because of laws of physics and those who have survived God have saved them then it becomes confusing for me.
truth wrote
Do you expect to enter Paradise without being tested like those before you? They were tested with hardship and adversity, and were shaken up, until the messenger and those who believed with him said, "Where is GOD's victory?" GOD's victory is near.
45- Al-Jathiya
21-Or do those who commit ill deeds suppose that We shall make them as those who believe and do good works, the same life and death? Bad is their judgment!
22-And Allah hath created the heavens and the earth with truth, and that every soul may be repaid what it hath earned. And they will not be wronged.What ill deeds can kids commit? Most of them could not even distinguish between right and wrong? Why they had to suffer like this? And test is something, which can be defined in whatever way you can think of.
Does parents test their kids by amputating their limbs or trapping them under debris to find out if they are true to them? What about thousands of Muslim women being gang raped by Serbs in Bosnia? Was that a test too?
If bad people are in misery we say, see how God is punishing them; O He is swift in accountability. If they are leading good life we say, God has given them time to rethink.
If good people suffer we say, it?s their test. If they are flourishing we say, see how God has rewarded them for their deeds.
truth also wroteWe have tested those before them, for GOD must distinguish those who are truthful, and He must expose the liars.
3310 When they came from above you, and from beneath you, your eyes were terrified, your hearts ran out of patience, and you harbored unbefitting thoughts about GOD.
3311 That is when the believers were truly tested; they were severely shaken up.Why does he need to test us? He is all knowing, all hearing?
We humane being needs to test people to know what their feelings are towards us because we don?t know what?s in the hearts of others, is he like us?I hope you can work through it. Many times these sorts of thoughts are an expression of one's own fears.
Be rational my friend, this is 2005. I admit I am a weak person, I cannot see people in pain no matter who they are, I am happy to see people happy and I am sad to see them suffering, this is the way I am.
zenje
you wrote,I would really be interested to hear what you have to say, and to discuss, after the "overwhelming emotions" pass, if you don't mind. In the meantime, I also hope that you're one of the "fellow human beings" helping in some way.
My friend WE ALL are trying our best to help the victims of this tragedy, believe me there is no one I know who isn?t doing his best but we are not omnipotent and we have our limitations. There is no lack of will, but lack of resources.
I don?t know what I will say when this wave of emotion passes away? May be I bow down before him and beg for forgiveness for what I have said? Or May be I start believing that the translations about his mercy and generosity are misleading? and we need to reinterpret many of our existing beliefs to make them more rational and more compatable with time.TAJ wrote
I think I understand your feelings, Agent. It is so devastating to watch people suffer let alone be the sufferer yourself! Everyday I ask "WHY?", why did God create this endless suffering? So that He would reward those sufferers with Jannah!? This I don't understand!
But to focus on "WHY?" instead of accepting the reality, will only cripple us, don't you think?Thank you friend for your understanding, you see you only focus on why, when your expectations are high, for example if my family or my friends, leave me alone to suffer, it will be natural for me to think why, because they are meant to help me, that is what family and friends are for. But if they don?t help me in any way to ease my pain then I will eventually accept the reality but my belief in them will be shattered.
Tell me friend if some doctor prescribes you to take a pill for your headache, but no matter how many you take your headache is still there, how long is it going to take for you to doubt, either the doctor or the pill?shamsul-arefin
Just wanted to ask everyone else...Do we have the knowledge to counter such destruction ? Do we have the knowledge to busind houses in such a way that earthquake wont distroy like it has done in pakistan ? Was their any fault from human side while building those houses as we know humans get corrupted easily..??
thank you for your kind words, believe me my friend it is not only because of my country men i feel this way, i felt the same when tsunami killed thousands.
what you say is logical and japan is an example. the problem is we muslims are taught to relate or explain every thing in term of religion and GOD, that is where our confusion starts and we ask questions like these. if we explain such happenings according to the laws of physics as mentioned by brother truth and not through religion things will be much easy for us.
TAKE CARE. -
Since Year Dot wink
Regards,
Man didn't exist back then.
Ha ha -)
Are you always that serious winkRegards,
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Peace,
this question is very PROFOUND and has been debated for centruries
It's a profound question? Since when? Just because people debate over it doesn't mean it's 'profound'.
hi neo 'and', not 'because'
both are conjunctions yes, uninflected function words that serve to conjoin words or phrases or clauses or sentences
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwnwhat's your mother tongue, neo? I also have problems with the use of 'and' when it means "or" ('o' in Spanish)
Sorry for drfiting, agentxxx.
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Since Year Dot wink
Regards,
Man didn't exist back then.
Ha ha -)
Are you always that serious wink
Regards,
Only at bad jokes.
And also at English Expressions that denote indefinite time preriod? wink
Regards,
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Peace,
this question is very PROFOUND and has been debated for centruries
It's a profound question? Since when? Just because people debate over it doesn't mean it's 'profound'.
hi neo 'and', not 'because'
both are conjunctions yes, uninflected function words that serve to conjoin words or phrases or clauses or sentences
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwnwhat's your mother tongue, neo? I also have problems with the use of 'and' when it means "or" ('o' in Spanish)
Sorry for drfiting, agentxxx.
I don't think you understood what I meant.
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And also at English Expressions that denote indefinite time preriod? wink
Regards,
I'm sorry - did I hurt your ego or something during the course of my post history? I really don't know what you're talking about...
No need to be sorry...I thought my use of the expression "Since Year Dot" may have appeared as bad joke to you...
...And I have not much of an ego to hurt... wink
Regards
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Religion is created to take advantage of our emotional imbalance. It manipulates to create false hope and take advantage of it. Thats why we see religious ppl doing nothing but cursing or whining abt problems. Religion doesn?t go thru logic and the only way it survives is by creating illusion of false hope.
There will be always natural destruction. We call it destruction because it harms us but nature will flow in its own way. Does it care about its inhabitants? Does it understand human agony? I dont think so. Same with God. It will flow its own way but the only help we are getting from it is the guidance. Now what is this guidance ? Obviously not those humming suras or chanting or crying out "God save me". Noo! it doesn?t work like that. The only help nature/God can give us is the wisdom. Manual of this natural system. Now its our job how to utilize these instructions.
I am so tired of these religious ppl cursing and chanting and always trying to blame on others.....these ppl are parasites...they create vacuum in the system.
I think it doesn?t matter even if you pray thousand times asking God to help unless you go and help yourself. So the bottom line should be to help ourselves and be appreciative to the knowledge or the source. What is the source of knowledge? May be it is what God say to believe in the unseen?the source of knowledge.
Peace
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Peace be upon you SA,
Good post