ARE THERE 13 BILLION ANGELS ON EARTH PRESENTLY?

unknownuser

Peace be upon you Agentxxx,

for me some times its from believing to doubting

its only a doubt or belief when its not verified, so we have to do more work

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You lost me on this last portion. We should not analyze them?

brother,tell me why we should not analyze it?

My position is that we should definately analyze them, I must have misunderstood your last statement.

agentxxx

peace idolfree1,
you wrote

its only a doubt or belief when its not verified, so we have to do more work lol

Absolutely right lol

My position is that we should definately analyze them, I must have misunderstood your last statement.

no problem brother wink
take care.

agentxxx

peace ahmed,
i wrote

please comment on the following verses
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552-Those in whose heart is a disease thou seest how eagerly they run about amongst them saying "We do fear lest a change of fortune bring us disaster." Ah! perhaps Allah will give (thee) victory or a decision according to His Will. THEN WILL THEY REPENT OF THE THOUGHTS WHICH THEY SECRETLY HARBORED IN THEIR HEARTS.

quran says they secretly harbored the thoughts in their heart instead of brain?Quote
297-Say Whoever is an enemy to Gabriel for HE BRINGS DOWN THE (REVELATION) TO THY HEART by Allah's will a confirmation of what went before and guidance and glad tidings for those who believe.

The revalations were send down on prophets heart instead of brain?
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1215-So they did take him away and they all agreed to throw him down to the bottom of the well and WE PUT INTO HIS HEART (THIS MESSAGE) "Of a surety thou shalt (one day) tell them the truth of this their affair while they know (thee) not."

again into his heart instead of brain?

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3337-Behold! thou didst say to one who had received the grace of Allah and thy favor "Retain thou (in wedlock) thy wife and fear Allah." BUT THOU DIDST HIDE IN THY HEART that which Allah was about to make manifest

thou didst hide in thy heart instead of brain?

ab wrote

for agentxxx, i copied you comment and will respond to it later today

thanks bro, i will wait.
God bless you all.

unknownuser

Peace be upon you Ahmed,

it was done by an egyptian professor, he calimed that speed of light can be claculated from the verse i mentioned

I believe a siniltitude is something that does not happen or never happened, like the two siniltitude allah told us about the confused believers in 28-20

I apologize but I am still lost. Lets move to a more popular similitude to help with the process.

Lets deal with the stick turning into a snake, how do you understand that story?

Sorry bro

been flat out lately, well I'm always flat out bro, I only sleep 4 hours a day but that is what I need, sometimes I feel that I don't even need those 4 houors of sleep

the story of the stick turning into a snake has my full belief that it happened for real

I really have no problem accepting that Allah turned a stick into a snake as he turned dust into humans

peace be with you

unknownuser

peace ahmed,
i wrote

please comment on the following verses

552-Those in whose heart is a disease thou seest how eagerly they run about amongst them saying "We do fear lest a change of fortune bring us disaster." Ah! perhaps Allah will give (thee) victory or a decision according to His Will. THEN WILL THEY REPENT OF THE THOUGHTS WHICH THEY SECRETLY HARBORED IN THEIR HEARTS.

quran says they secretly harbored the thoughts in their heart instead of brain?

Those in whose hearts is a disease - thou seest how eagerly they run about amongst them, saying "We do fear lest a change of fortune bring us disaster." Ah! perhaps Allah will give (thee) victory, or a decision according to His will. Then will they repent of the thoughts which they secretly harboured in their hearts.

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Peace bro

Sorry for the delay, I almost forgot about this comment, the verse actually never said what you are suggesting that the thoughts was in their hearts, THIS IS A CLEAR CUT STUPIDITY BY YA to translate NAFS as Heart, what a joke he is bro, well, he did many of these jokes, for example he translated "Kawkab" which is "Planet" wrongly as "Star" lol

The verse is talking about the Hypocrites and the Hypocrites were described at the start as whose hearts is a disease. This statement is a general description about the Hypocrites, the Quran then shifted from the general statement to a specific incident that those Hypocrites were involved in, the incident I believe was ?Fath Mecca? ?The conquer of Mecca?, so when the prophet were preparing for the conquer of Mecca, some Hypocrites were worried that by participating in the upcoming battle will bring to them disaster, Allah then is telling the prophet the following about them perhaps Allah will give (thee) victory or a decision according to His Will. THEN WILL THEY REPENT OF THE THOUGHTS WHICH THEY SECRETLY HARBORED IN THEIR MINDS?.

?NAFS? MUST BE TRANSLATED AS MINDS NOT HEARTS, NAFS MEANS SOUL NOT HEART, BUT IT IS ALSO USED IN ARABIC TO REFER TO WHAT IS INSIDE US OR OUR HIDDEN THOUGHTS

HEART IS IN NO WAY NEAR NAFS regarding the meaning, EVEN NAFS CAN'T BE USED METAPHORICALLY REFER TO THE HEART IN ARABIC, NEVER HAPPENED IN ARABIC AND I'M SURE IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN BECAUSE IT DOES NOT MAKE ANY SENSE ACCORDING TO THE CLEAR MEANING OF THESE ARABIC WORDS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT

I will respond to the rest later today bro

Peace be with you

unknownuser

The revalations were send down on prophets heart instead of brain?

?Whoever is an enemy to Gabriel for HE BRINGS DOWN THE (REVELATION) TO THY HEART by Allah's will a confirmation of what went before and guidance and glad tidings for those who believe.?

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Hello mate,

Of course it was sent down on his heart, I can?t see anything wrong here, THE HEART IS IS ALMOST THE CENTERE OF EVERY THING IN A HUMAN BODY

While I agree the brain is the organ to process, BUT THE HEART IS THE OTGAN TO BELIEVE, you see I can show a lot of people a compelling logic and their brain processed it and they agreed on it but yet they refused to believe in it i.e. their heart could not believe in it, you see my brain can tell me that I love this woman but the truth may be that my heart feels nothing about this woman

It is all in the heart bro, it is even common knowledge and I wonder how it raised your eye brow?

The point is the verse is a metaphor by selecting the heart as the organ who will conceded the believe while this runs in perfect harmony with the common knowledge that a child will even know, the verse means what was sent down to the prophet however the heart was used as a metaphor because the prophet heart BELIEVD IN IT TOTALLY and that is what all the believers heart will certainly do as well, the brain is just to process the data, the believe and all emotions comes from the heart

Have you ever been scared?, I?m sure you at least once have been, how was your heart at the time? The feelings was in the heart I?m sure

Bro 100% there is nothing wrong or conflicting about this verse, in fact the Quran always refer to the belief as something the heart will gain however the Quran also stressed the importance of the brain for processing the logics and in numerous locations the Quran was only addressing the people with Brains

I will continue the rest later on bro

Peace be with you

agentxxx

peace Ahmed,
you wrote

The point is the verse is a metaphor by selecting the heart as the organ who will conceded the believe while this runs in perfect harmony with the common knowledge that a child will even know, the verse means what was sent down to the prophet however the heart was used as a metaphor because the prophet heart BELIEVD IN IT TOTALLY and that is what all the believers heart will certainly do as well, the brain is just to process the data, the believe and all emotions comes from the heart

Have you ever been scared?, I?m sure you at least once have been, how was your heart at the time? The feelings was in the heart I?m sure

Bro 100% there is nothing wrong or conflicting about this verse, in fact the Quran always refer to the belief as something the heart will gain however the Quran also stressed the importance of the brain for processing the logics and in numerous locations the Quran was only addressing the people with Brains

if it is a metaphor then i will have to accept it other wise according to my knowledge even the emotions are generated in the brain. the funtion of the heart is just to pump blood.
yea I have been scared hundreds of times in my life, my heart was beating like a drum all these times but my understanding is that the brain releases some sort of chemicals in every different situation that makes our heart beat slow or fast.
thank you.
God bless you all.

unknownuser

Peace bro

yes bro the brain is to process but the Heart is the one to believe

i might find some other info for you

peace

unknownuser

Hi agent xxx,

even the emotions are generated in the brain. the funtion of the heart is just to pump blood.
yea I have been scared hundreds of times in my life, my heart was beating like a drum all these times but my understanding is that the brain releases some sort of chemicals in every different situation that makes our heart beat slow or fast.
thank you.

U r right.
The physiology of the heart is only to pump blood to all parts of the body.
Increased & loud, heart rate (palpitations) is due to release of adrenaline to the heart, during times of anxiety/fear.

All the emotions and senses are percieved only by the brain.

But at a unrealistic, non biological level, the heart has long been used as a symbol to refer to the spiritual, emotional, moral, and in the past also intellectual core of a human being.

Peace!

unknownuser

Hello Agentxxx

I don't understand your point, do you mean it is a contradiction?

well I do believe it is not, as far as I believe the faith is in the heart not in the brain as i explained before

a brain can process and yet the heart does not believe

you see the prophet didn't need to process, it went straight into his heart as the Quran told us, now that make sense because the prophet was already looking to find God as you know

on the other hand the Quran never denied the brain as the organ of processing, the brain was mentioned numerous times to us as the organ of processing the data then if we process the data and we choose to believe then it is all coming from the heart after the brain has finished its role of processing the data

the Quran actually told us the when we remember Allah, our heart will feel peace

HEARTS FIND PEACE IN THE REMEMBRANCE OF ALLAH

According to research by David B. Larson, of the American National Health Research Center, and his team, comparisons of devout and non-religious Americans have given very surprising results. For instance, religious people suffer 60% less heart disease than those with little or no religious belief, the suicide rate among them is 100% lower, they suffer far lower levels of high blood pressure, and this ratio is 71 among smokers.

It was reported in one study published in the International Journal of Psychiatry in Medicine, an important scientific source in the world of medicine, that people who describe themselves as having no religious beliefs become ill more frequently and have shorter life spans. According to the results of the research, those with no beliefs are twice as likely to suffer stomach-intestine diseases than believers, and their mortality rate from respiratory diseases is 66% times higher than that of believers.

Secular psychologists tend to refer to similar figures as "psychological effects." This means that belief raises peoples' spirits, and this contributes to health. This explanation may indeed be reasonable, but a more striking conclusion emerges when the subject is examined. Belief in Allah is much stronger than any other psychological influence. The wide-ranging research into the connection between religious belief and physical health carried out by Dr. Herbert Benson of the Harvard Medical Faculty has produced surprising conclusions in this area. Despite not being a believer himself, Dr. Benson has concluded that worship and belief in Allah have a more positive effect on human health than that observed in anything else. Benson states that he has concluded that no belief provides as much mental peace as belief in Allah.

What is the reason for this connection between belief and the human soul and body? The conclusion reached by the secular researcher Benson is, in his own words, that the human body and mind are regulated to believe in Allah.

This fact, which the world of medicine has slowly begun to appreciate, is a secret revealed in the Quran in these words

"? Only in the remembrance of Allah can the heart find peace."

The reason why those who believe in Allah, who pray to and trust in Him, are psychologically and physically healthier is that they behave in accordance with the purpose of their creation. Philosophies and systems which contradict human creation always lead to pain and unhappiness.

Modern medicine is now tending towards the realization of this truth. As Patrick Glynn put it

"Scientific research in psychology over the past twenty-five years has demonstrated that,? religious belief is one of the most consistent correlates of overall mental health and happiness."

Thanks for reading

Tay

Peace Ahmed,

The heart, in the context you are using it, is a symbolic representation of the soul. Anatomically speaking, it only pumps blood. There are many definitions for the word

www.dictionary.com

r.v. Archaic heart?ed, heart?ing, hearts
To encourage; hearten.

heart ( P ) Pronunciation Key (h?rt)
n.

Anatomy.
The chambered muscular organ in vertebrates that pumps blood received from the veins into the arteries, thereby maintaining the flow of blood through the entire circulatory system.
A similarly functioning structure in invertebrates.
The area that is the approximate location of the heart in the body; the breast.

3.The vital center and source of one's being, emotions, and sensibilities.
The repository of one's deepest and sincerest feelings and beliefs an appeal from the heart; a subject dear to her heart.
The seat of the intellect or imagination the worst atrocities the human heart could devise.

Emotional constitution, basic disposition, or character a man after my own heart.
One's prevailing mood or current inclination We were light of heart.
Capacity for sympathy or generosity; compassion a leader who seems to have no heart.
Love; affection The child won my heart.
Courage; resolution; fortitude The soldiers lost heart and retreated.
The firmness of will or the callousness required to carry out an unpleasant task or responsibility hadn't the heart to send them away without food.
A person esteemed or admired as lovable, loyal, or courageous a dear heart.
The central or innermost physical part of a place or region the heart of the financial district. See Synonyms at center.
The core of a plant, fruit, or vegetable hearts of palm.
The most important or essential part get to the heart of the matter.
A conventional two-lobed representation of the heart, usually colored red or pink.
Games.
A red, heart-shaped figure on certain playing cards.
A playing card with this figure.
hearts (used with a sing. or pl. verb) The suit of cards represented by this figure.
A card game in which the object is either to avoid hearts when taking tricks or to take all the hearts.

Idioms
at heart
In one's deepest feelings; fundamentally.
by heart
Learned by rote; memorized word for word.
do (one's) heart good
To lift one's spirits; make one happy.
from the bottom/depths of (one's) heart
With the deepest appreciation; most sincerely.
have (one's) heart in (one's) mouth
To be extremely frightened or anxious.
have (one's) heart in the right place
To be well-intentioned.
heart and soul
Completely; entirely.
in (one's) heart of hearts
In the seat of one's truest feelings.
lose (one's) heart to
To fall in love with.
near/close to (one's) heart
Loved by or important to one.
steal (someone's) heart
To win one's affection or love.
take to heart
To take seriously and be affected or troubled by Don't take my criticism to heart.
to (one's) heart's contentTo one's entire satisfaction, without limitation.
wear (one's) heart on (one's) sleeve
To show one's feelings clearly and openly by one's behavior.
with all (one's) heart
With great willingness or pleasure.
With the deepest feeling or devotion.
with half a heart
In a half-hearted manner.

unknownuser

Thank you tay

I believe I agreed it is a metaphor, however is a very accurate and reastic one because to what i explained already

now if Allah use it as a metaphor I reckon there is a sign behind it

but as I said the brain can refuse to believe but the heart not

like the feeling of love exactly, I never felt I love a woman in my brain rather in my heart

but we have no argument here indeed, I agree it is a metaphor, but I donlt agree it is a contradiction and the Quran should say it that it came down on his brain rather his heart

the heart was used all around the Quran to express what we gain, the hands also were used but far less

even when death comes it was described that the hearts will reach the throat, I will try to find the verse

Peace be with you

Tay

Peace Ahmed,

I believe I agreed it is a metaphor

yay

I never felt I love a woman in my brain rather in my heart

I feel it in both, but maybe that's just me.

the heart was used all around the Quran to express what we gain

Yess!!!
The heart, symbol of the soul, which is the real "you", the part that gains and evolves or doesn't. Mind/brain = temporary, heart/soul = eternal

Peace,
Tay

agentxxx

peace peaceful muslim,
you wrote

U r right.
The physiology of the heart is only to pump blood to all parts of the body.
Increased & loud, heart rate (palpitations) is due to release of adrenaline to the heart, during times of anxiety/fear.

All the emotions and senses are percieved only by the brain.

But at a unrealistic, non biological level, the heart has long been used as a symbol to refer to the spiritual, emotional, moral, and in the past also intellectual core of a human being.

thank you for explaining it for me D

peace and thanks tay,
you wrote

The heart, symbol of the soul, which is the real "you", the part that gains and evolves or doesn't. Mind/brain = temporary, heart/soul = eternal

please explain it in a little bit detail, as I dont understand what you really mean by

1The heart, symbol of the soul, which is the real "you", the part that gains and evolves or doesn't.
2Mind/brain = temporary, heart/soul = eternal

Ahmed saysI never felt I love a woman in my brain rather in my heart
tay saysI feel it in both, but maybe that's just me.

I feel it all over me, every atom/molecule of my body.....lol
God bless you all.

Tay

Peace Agentxxx,

You stated

please explain it in a little bit detail, as I dont understand what you really mean by

1The heart, symbol of the soul, which is the real "you", the part that gains and evolves or doesn't.
2Mind/brain = temporary, heart/soul = eternal

Sure
There are two parts to the human persona

Soul (also known as spirit, heart, subconscious, higher self, or just self)
Mind (also known as brain, conscious, lower self)

The mind is illusory. It is not the real "you". It is the part of you that thinks. That's all it does. It thinks, and thinks, and thinks. Any thought that you "hear" is from your mind. And these thoughts are based completely on experience, ie, environment, family, relationships, education, and personal alone-time experiences- nothing abstract, everything is referred. The mind catalogues all these experiences and judges all present experiences based on the results of past experiences. So when we say something is "good" or "bad", it's based on how we've experienced that something previously. In this sense, the mind can only work in the past.

The soul is the real "you". It is the part of you that observes the thoughts. It is the part that "knows", without words. It exists in the present. It is pure, quiet, peace. The soul shines in moments like watching a sunset, or children playing, or the love of your life just staring into your eyes. In those moments, no words are necessary, because you know. Athletes call it "the zone", when they say they weren't thinking, they were just locked in, in perfect harmony. They always describe it as indescribable.

The soul evolves through it's own recognition. It remains stagnant when the mind is allowed to control the ride. Thus, the importance of soul -energizing activities, such as meditation, or art, or sport. When we give control of ourselves to our minds, we become robots, doing the same thing over and over, caught in routines as years fly by.

Peace,
Tay

unknownuser

I feel it all over me, every atom/molecule of my body.....lol
God bless you all.

mate everytime I say this to my wife she tells me stop my BS

I swear bro lol

peace

agentxxx

peace Tay,
thank you very much for explaining it for me
you wrote

The soul shines in moments like watching a sunset, or children playing, or the love of your life just staring into your eyes.In those moments, no words are necessary,

wow, tay you remind me of khalil gibran
you dont say a word and yet you say it all. wink

agentxxx wrote
I feel it all over me, every atom/molecule of my body.....
God bless you all.

Ahmed wrote

mate everytime I say this to my wife she tells me stop my BS

lol lol lol
brother Ahmed may God bless you and your family, please convey her my salam.
I have heard in the news today that there were some kind of an ethnic riots in some areas of australia? I couldnot hear the complete news and I hope and sincerly pray that may the Almighty keeps you and your family out of the harms way.
God bless you all.

unknownuser

lol lol lol
brother Ahmed may God bless you and your family, please convey her my salam.
I have heard in the news today that there were some kind of an ethnic riots in some areas of australia? I couldnot hear the complete news and I hope and sincerly pray that may the Almighty keeps you and your family out of the harms way.
God bless you all.

lol lol

yeh bro it is gettin bad in here as every where now, however I live in an area where you hardly see any midlleastern, I'm way far from those troubled suburbs, but it is hurting me because young aggressive aussie teen girls started attacking muslim women in Hijab by punching them in the face as they walk in the streets without any provocation

what a disgrace to all australians man, I'm ashamed to be australian and that is the first time I felt this way in 15 years

all I can say may Allah bless Australia

peace be with you

agentxxx

Peace Ahmed,
you wrote

yeh bro it is gettin bad in here as every where now, however I live in an area where you hardly see any midlleastern, I'm way far from those troubled suburbs, but it is hurting me because young aggressive aussie teen girls started attacking muslim women in Hijab by punching them in the face as they walk in the streets without any provocation

I am sad to hear that brother, why are they doing this? what is the reason? no one has the right to misbehave with innocent people. please take care of yourself and may Allah bless you all.

unknownuser

Peace Ahmed,
you wrote

yeh bro it is gettin bad in here as every where now, however I live in an area where you hardly see any midlleastern, I'm way far from those troubled suburbs, but it is hurting me because young aggressive aussie teen girls started attacking muslim women in Hijab by punching them in the face as they walk in the streets without any provocation

I am sad to hear that brother, why are they doing this? what is the reason? no one has the right to misbehave with innocent people. please take care of yourself and may Allah bless you all.

to be honest bro, there are some lebanease gangs and they go to the beaches and cause troubles, but there is also asian gangs and abos gangs

but the midlleeastern ones was targeted by the aussie gangs, I gues due to what happened in 9/11 onwards

very strange man, but the police now has taken control and blocked the whole shire, no one in, no one out

it will finish soon bro, but I believe the lebanease gangs will adamantly seek revenge soon by killing somone, then the aussies gang will respond and back again to square one

peace bro