Meaning of secular government
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Yes you can state your opinion of course. But we can all state our opinions without being derogatory, yes?
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Khi- Salam. Look i see homos as criminals and i explained thoroughly as to why. If i see somebody doing severe wrong it is logical that i use some harsh terms as well. GOD Bless!
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In the thread, there is a link posted by me. The link shows you pictures of the verses of the Quran and where the additions have taken place. The Quran shown is older and is compared to later publication. If i can publish a Quran with words changed, what kind of a protection is that? But do you really think God is talking about protecting a 10 buck book? or the actual message?
Khi- Salam. Exactly my point. The Quran is NOT the ink and paper. I suggest you also view the debate btw RK and Abdurrehman Saleh "The Great Debate" nos 20&21 at
http//www.submissiontv.com
Pay particular attention when RK says "THIS(Mushaf/Manuscript) IS JUST INK AND PAPER. YOU CAN MESS IT UP AND DO ANYTHING YOU WANT WITH IT....". The whole debate is very interesting. I hope ull enjoy. GOD Bless! -
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Do you believe al-quraan is from Allah and eternally applicable for the human being?
Yes.
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Do you believe al-quraan is from Allah and eternally applicable for the human being?Yes.
It will be probably appropriate for you to ask follow up question to above.
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Khi- Salam. Warsh and Hafs are MUSHAFS NOT Quran. Quran is what resides inside the mathemetical system.
Brother i dont beleive in the code 19. No offense brother but i think its bs. AS for warsh and hafs, tell me something, do you believe, this is how the quran came down?? Did God give 2 different books? one for warsh and one for hafs?
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SaLaM idmkhizar
Khi- Salam. Warsh and Hafs are MUSHAFS NOT Quran. Quran is what resides inside the mathemetical system.
Brother i dont beleive in the code 19. No offense brother but i think its bs. AS for warsh and hafs, tell me something, do you believe, this is how the quran came down?? Did God give 2 different books? one for warsh and one for hafs?
Khi- Salam. Ur calling GOD's signs BS? Did you thoroughly study the mathematical miracle? Did you listen to the debate btw RK and AS at the link i posted above? If not please do so. And to answer the rest of your questions no i dont believe GOD sent two books. He sent ONLY ONE MATHEMATICALLY CODED BOOK i.e. QURAN. Hafs and Warsh are nothing but manuscripts written down by people or as others say ways of pronouncing the words in Quran by people. Neither make it Quran though. GOD Bless!
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It will be probably appropriate for you to ask follow up question to above.
Fine. You're free to ask me anything at any point though.
2nd question If the book is applicable eternally as you say, why do you prefer an alternative methodology to achieving its aims ?
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SaLaM idmkhizar
Did you thoroughly study the mathematical miracle?
I didnt mean no offense to you.
Khi- Salam. Heh? I did mean no offense to you either. All im asking is that you please study it thoroughly or youd risk missing something awesome and may get punished by GOD for rejecting. GOD Bless!
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2nd question If the book is applicable eternally as you say, why do you prefer an alternative methodology to achieving its aims ?
Please elaborate. Exactly which aims of the Quran are you referring to.
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Khi- Salam. Heh? I did mean no offense to you either. All im asking is that you please study it thoroughly or youd risk missing something awesome and may get punished by GOD for rejecting. GOD Bless!
No brother i wont be punished by God for not beleive in code 19. No one will. Code 19 has nothing of importance. South Park is of more importance than code 19.
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No brother i wont be punished by God for not beleive in code 19. No one will. Code 19 has nothing of importance. South Park is of more importance than code 19.
Khi- Salam. How can you say that when a bro named Bahman, a staunch atheist converted to being a Quran Aloner after witnessing this awesome miracle and also it was this miracle which turned me from a vile and fanatic sunni who wanted to join bin ladin just abt four years before witnessing code-19 miracled in Quran? GOD Bless!
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It appears to me, there is more idolising of the Quran .
Quran is a message/guidance from Allah conveying that there is only one God and man should not foolishly waste on worshipping silly elements as Gods.
Quran is a message where Allah is telling mankind to live a righteous life, and to be respectful of all, to be humble, to be patient, to be just, to be kind, to observe charity, to observe moderation, to be kind and forgiving, etc...
Allah is conveying to man that man is accountable for his every action on the day of Judgement.Now, what do people take from the book?
Mathematical miracles
Arabic language miracles etcI think the miracle of Quran lies in its message. The ultimate truth that God is one.
God's signs are everywhere around us. God doesnt have to do magic with numbers or language to make a point to human beings.No offence meant to anyone.
Its just my view and understanding.Peace!
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SaLaM idmkhiza
You tell me how code 19 is important for my salvation.
Khi- Salam. You dont yet follow all rules and regulations in Quran because you think it's changed. Thus you require code-19 to prove to you that it has not been and follow all of it and not in part. GOD Bless!
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Hi all,
It appears to me, there is more idolising of the Quran .
Quran is a message/guidance from Allah conveying that there is only one God and man should not foolishly waste on worshipping silly elements as Gods.
Quran is a message where Allah is telling mankind to live a righteous life, and to be respectful of all, to be humble, to be patient, to be just, to be kind, to observe charity, to observe moderation, to be kind and forgiving, etc...
Allah is conveying to man that man is accountable for his every action on the day of Judgement.Now, what do people take from the book?
Mathematical miracles
Arabic language miracles etcI think the miracle of Quran lies in its message. The ultimate truth that God is one.
God's signs are everywhere around us. God doesnt have to do magic with numbers or language to make a point to human beings.No offence meant to anyone.
Its just my view and understanding.Peace!
Khi- Salam. I do not argue that the message in the Quran is, superb id say rather thsan miraculous but in this age people want more than just messages so GOD gave it to us in the form of a mathematical miracle and we would be unappreciative if we reject that or dont bother about it. GOD Bless!
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Sorry can we go back to the topic-I think we can discuss RK and code 19 st elsewhere.
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So what do you do when those who claim to have studied the Quran disagree with each others interpertation?Sigh....here we go again.
Please show me where this situation is in al-quraan.
Is the above so hard to understand. It was not a quote from the Quran but a very simple statement that if we all agree to run a country according to the Quran(let us assume for a minute that all the laws are present in the Quran) what happen when people differ in their interpertation of what thhe Quran says.
How do we resolve this difference?Regards
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Is the above so hard to understand. It was not a quote from the Quran but a very simple statement that if we all agree to run a country according to the Quran(let us assume for a minute that all the laws are present in the Quran) what happen when people differ in their interpertation of what thhe Quran says.
How do we resolve this difference?Your remark presupposed one thing that the implementation of its laws is a DEMOCRATIC. It's not. Its in the hands of a single leader who may have a consultative council. HIS interpretation is what counts.
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Quran is a message/guidance from Allah conveying that there is only one God and man should not foolishly waste on worshipping silly elements as Gods.
Quran is a message where Allah is telling mankind to live a righteous life, and to be respectful of all, to be humble, to be patient, to be just, to be kind, to observe charity, to observe moderation, to be kind and forgiving, etc...
Allah is conveying to man that man is accountable for his every action on the day of Judgement.Great. So why is the Quran not one short passage like your words above ?
Please dont presume to speak for Allah and then twist his message to suit your whims.
Be respectful to ALL, you say ? I find it very strange that you MISREPRESENT the Quran in this way. People with Muhammad are said to be ASHIDDU ALAL KUFFAR ...intense against the kuffar (48/29). This is not some turn the other cheek ideology, sorry.
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Is the above so hard to understand. It was not a quote from the Quran but a very simple statement that if we all agree to run a country according to the Quran(let us assume for a minute that all the laws are present in the Quran) what happen when people differ in their interpertation of what thhe Quran says.
How do we resolve this difference?Your remark presupposed one thing that the implementation of its laws is a DEMOCRATIC. It's not. Its in the hands of a single leader who may have a consultative council. HIS interpretation is what counts.
I said no such thing about democracy or any system-simply how you resolve different interpertations
Ok let us go with your interpertation.
Humanity needs to go so who is the leader to form the consultative council