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    jonny_k
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    Salam mz375,

    Salaams All,

    Jonny said

    ?GOD helped His prophets many times by supernatural means?

    And what are those?

    Ahmed said

    ?Believers do need to believe in the past miracles the Quran told us about?

    I don?t see any such things ,but there is a lot of mistranslations in it though.

    You can point them out for me though.

    Gods Blessings.

    JK- Sure.
    An example has been set for you by the two armies who clashed - one army was fighting in the cause of GOD, while the other was disbelieving. They saw with their own eyes that they were twice as many. GOD supports with His victory whomever He wills. This should provide an assurance for those who possess vision.
    Thus, when you implored your Lord to come to the rescue, He responded to you "I am supporting you with one thousand angels in succession."
    You told the believers, "Is it not enough that your Lord supports you with three thousand angels, sent down?"
    Indeed, if you steadfastly persevere and maintain righteousness, then they attack you suddenly, your Lord will support you with five thousand angels, well trained.
    GOD Bless!

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      jonny_k
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      Salam phoenix1,

      peace

      so Johnny K, if you believe that Jesus was born without a father, and you believe everything else in the story as actual occurance, then can you please provide me with some evidence. If its good enough, you might even buy it.

      JK- 2130 mentions the big bang. People in the past reading the Quran would also have wanted to require evidence. Guess what? They got it now. So wait and see and in the future GW GOD would provide us with that evidence too. For now we have code-19 providing evidence that everything mentioned in the Quran is true. GOD Bless!

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        jonny_k
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        Salam truth,

        So earthquakes, volcanoes, and hurricanes are all miracles according to you even though they are commonplace?

        I also do not require miracles to believe and echo Tay's sentiments in relation to life itself. The fact that there is anything at all - rather than nothing is to me the only "miracle".

        Regards.

        JK- Well in a way their systematic setup is as is also the complexity of life. But perhaps the complete definiton should have been "an extraordinary event which appears suddenly in order to refresh ones belief in a supernatural creator which at the same time is too powerful for a human or a collection of humans to perform at that particular time period." GOD Bless!

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          jonny_k
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          Salam truth,

          What if all the stories were allegorical?

          Would you cease to believe?

          Regards.

          JK- No but i believe GOD would have told us that Hes citing an allegory if they were to be so and He does that many times in the Quran too. In that case i would have accepted them as allegories with no problem. GOD Bless!

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            Salam truth,

            The "Quran" is not protected.

            The reminder (zhikr) is protected 159.

            I believe that this actually means the reminder is MAINTAINED. That the God ensures that the message is always available to people and this may be in more forms than just the reading.

            The text may become corrupted, but the essential message of monotheism and the last day is maintained.

            Regards.

            JK- Emmmm, excuse me truth. Dont you believe in code-19 any more and that RK WAS a messenger of GOD? Also dont you believe in a Book revealed by GOD to an Arabian Prophet named Muhammad with 114 suras and 6346 verses? GOD Bless!

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