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what in the devil's name is 666?

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    Peace Apple Pie,

    why can't you, for once, pretend that the koran is a newer edition of the bible, instead of the koran being the result of plagiarism of the bible. Try to look at it that way for a moment and maybe you'll see what we're talking about here.

    Why do you feel that the Koran plaigarized the Holy Bible...?

    The authors who penned your book of faith tell us of their Biblical references.

    They never once pretend that their Koranic material is original.

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      Why not step up to the plate and finally admit this to yourself.

      I think this applies to you more than anyone. Let me repeat the key sentence that you should take heed of...

      The Koran does not bring a NEW message; it brings a REPEATED message to mankind.

      Now you are getting it.

      Who ever said that the Koranic material was new...?

      The authors who penned it sure didn't.

      You are right....the Koran merely repeats what came before it...much like a parrot...

      The only difference is that the names have been changed.

      The Koran utilizes a pagan Arab god that is dressed up to look like the Biblical God Jesus.

      Thus, your sura 103 example perfectly demonstrates the way to Salvation via FIRST a belief in Jesus Christ, and then the deeds that FOLLOW you into Heaven.

      Obey the classic Arabic of sura 103.

      Amazing that you don't even want to talk about the sura 103 example that you brought to the table on your very own...

      What's the matter...? lol

      Islam as the God's system is not new, but is the system from the start.

      Islam is a poor attempt of an interpretation of their translated Biblical scriptures.

      We have demonstrated this to you repeatedly....and all you can do is look the other way...

      The God has always sent messengers to mankind with the message. That the God is One.

      Please tell us why your "one god" shows a plurality at the Throne via sura 81...?

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        Who ever said that the Koranic material was new...?

        i thought that was what you were saying. Any how, what i'm trying to say is that the quran isn't making up a new God, or even dressing up the God as something else. Its talking about the same exact thing.

        Please, for once, do as i did and stop taking your holy scripture as the word of God and try to see if it makes sense or not.

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          Peace AP

          I found it very disgusting and offensive to accuse a noble/preserved scripture like the Quran of being copied from the porno filled humanly corrupt bible, here is a sample of 2000 pages I have, so please stop your propaganda and miselading claims or I will post those pages and the public will see clealy that your bible is damn corrupt

          Warning!!

          This post contains inappropriate pornographic quotes from the Bible about brothers sucking their sisters' and lovers' vaginas and breasts, and having sex with them all night long, and claiming that the vaginas and breasts taste like "wine". It is not suitable for children under 18 to read. Reader discretion is advised.

          This post is another proof that the Bible is filled with man's garbage, alterations and lies. Ironically, the bible's own theologians and historians claim that most of the bible's books and gospels were written and altered by mysterious people.

          The Bible has some really weird things in it that you would really be ashamed to even share with your own little kids!. It teaches you to fantasize about women's breasts and vaginas. It also teaches you to sleep with your own sister!.

          A quick answer to the Christian folks who claim that the "Song of Songs" book in the Bible is talking about a husband and a wife As you will see below in the article, the book is not talking about a husband and a wife. It's talking about two lovers. But even if it was talking about a husband and a wife, then wouldn't you agree with me that exposing your wife's privates to the world is pornography by itself? Or at least this type pf material should not be in a holy book?

          What is the spiritual point and wisdom from having pornography in the Bible? How is it supposed to be GOD Almighty's True Living Words?

          Women's breasts are important sexual objects

          The Bible in numerous places teaches us about women's breasts and talks about them at the same time it is talking about sexual fantasies and intercourse.

          Comparing the sister's breasts to the size of the towers
          "We have a young sister, and her breasts are not yet grown. What shall we do for our sister for the day she is spoken for?? (Song of Songs 8

          "I am a wall, and my breasts are like towers. Thus I have become in his eyes like one bringing contentment.? (Song of Songs 810)

          "Your two breasts are like two fawns, like twin fawns of a gazelle that browse among the lilies." (Song of Songs 45)

          "A loving doe, a graceful deer, may her breasts satisfy you always, may you ever be captivated by her love." (Proverbs 519)

          Could it be meant to say "may her breasts sexually satisfy you"?

          "My lover is to me a sachet of myrrh resting between my breasts." (Song of Songs 113)

          Praising the bed that they had sex on
          "How handsome you are, my lover! Oh, how charming! And our bed is verdant" (Song of Songs 116)

          Having sex all night long
          "Come, let's drink deep of love till morning; let's enjoy ourselves with love!" (Proverbs 71

          "Let him kiss me with the kisses of his mouth-- for your love is more delightful than wine. Pleasing is the fragrance of your perfumes; your name is like perfume poured out. No wonder the maidens love you! Take me away with you--let us hurry! Let the king bring me into his chambers. We rejoice and delight in you; we will praise your love more than wine. How right they are to adore you! " (Song of Songs 12-4)

          I don't think this would be appropriate for a kid under 18 to read. Also, I don't think it is appropriate to have such open sexuality in a divine book anyway.

          His right arm sexually feeling her body
          "His left arm is under my head, and his right arm embraces me." (Song of Songs 26)

          "Scarcely had I passed them when I found the one my heart loves. I held him and would not let him go till I had brought him to my mother's house, to the room of the one who conceived me." (Song of Songs 34)

          So in other words, she was not married to him, and when she found him, she took him back to her bed room to have illegal sex with him? If she were married to him, she wouldn't take him to her "mother's house". She would take him to their house.

          "Its posts he made of silver, its base of gold. Its seat was upholstered with purple, its interior lovingly inlaid by the daughters of Jerusalem." (Song of Songs 310)

          Why does the Bible teach young men to spend all of their time and effort to try to impress all of the girls in their town so they can possibly end in bed with them?

          Fantasizing about a girl he calls his "sister". Her vagina tastes like wine for him. And they had sex all night long. After he satisfied her really good, she wished if he were her brother (her biological brother nursed by her "mother's breast" as she said) so she doesn't have to take him home secretly

          Note Even though she may not be his biological sister, but calling her a "sister" in a pornographic and sick situation as shown in details below is not proper, and may suggest that the sick pervert would fantasize about his biological sister if he had one.

          "You have stolen my heart, my sister, my bride; you have stolen my heart with one glance of your eyes, with one jewel of your necklace." (Song of Songs 49)

          Fantasizing about his sister? at least he shows in this verse that he would!.

          "How delightful is your love, my sister, my bride! How much more pleasing is your love than wine, and the fragrance of your perfume than any spice!" (Song of Songs 410)

          Making love to his own sister? "pleasing is your love (making???) than wine"

          "You are a garden locked up, my sister, my bride; you are a spring enclosed, a sealed fountain." (Song of Songs 412)

          Sleeping with his sister
          "I slept but my heart was awake. Listen! My lover is knocking 'Open to me, my sister, my darling, my dove, my flawless one. My head is drenched with dew, my hair with the dampness of the night.' I have taken off my robe must I put it on again? I have washed my feet, must I soil them again? My lover thrust his hand through the latch-opening; my heart began to pound for him." (Song of Songs 54)

          What a disgusting way for someone to talk so pervertly about his sister like that!!.

          "O daughters of Jerusalem, I charge you-- if you find my lover, what will you tell him? Tell him I am faint with love." (Song of Songs 5

          Teaching women to be sexually too open.

          His sister's vagina tastes like "wine"
          "How beautiful your sandaled feet, O prince's daughter! Your graceful legs are like jewels, the work of a craftsman's hands. Your navel is a rounded goblet that never lacks blended wine. Your waist is a mound of wheat encircled by lilies. Your breasts are like two fawns, twins of a gazelle. Your neck is like an ivory tower. Your eyes are the pools of Heshbon by the gate of Bath Rabbi.
          .......
          I said 'I will climb the palm tree; I will take hold of its fruit.' May your breasts be like the clusters of the vine, the fragrance of your breath like apples, and your mouth like the best wine.? (The NIV Bible, Song of Songs 71-4, 8-9)

          According to the documentary film "Sex in the Bible" on A&E TV Station, the Hebrew translation to "Your naval" is referring to the woman's VAGINA. The English translators substituted the word "NAVEL" WITH "VAGINA." Please rent a copy of the movie and watch it. I did, it is fun and arousing

          BTW, I did watch this film, "Sex in the Bible", on the history channel, as I also watched "Banned from the Bible", and other films about the Bible, and all of them are objective and truthful! If you watch the "Sex in the Bible" film for yourself you then would see that the commentary came from Bible theologians and Hebrew language experts.

          Yes, the verse above did refer to women's vaginas according to those theologians and Hebrew language experts.

          A non-Muslim guy who tried to prove that this is not accurate about the translation of the word "Naval" in this Porn-full verse. He sent the following to the Christian "Answering Islam" team

          They responded by

          ?The word navel and the umbilical cord both come from the woman's vagina since this is a natural part of childbirth."

          So Mr. Non Muslim, what exactly did you disprove here? "Your navel is a rounded goblet that never lacks blended wine" is clearly speaking about the vagina (not the umbilical cord), and the water/cum that comes out of the vagina that "never lacks blended wine", or in other words tastes like wine! Also, "rounded goblet (container)" is clearly referring to the vagina since the vagina is in a way a container or a place that contains. Also notice that the verses after it speak about her sexy waist and breasts.

          Also, the idea of "natural part of childbirth" IS A SICK LIE!!, since the whole pornful material, as clearly shown in the ample verses above, is speaking about sex and brothers and sisters and lovers having sex with each others all night long. No children and child birth was ever mentioned, and

          Certainly umbilical cords are not sexually attractive and don't taste like "wine". It is clearly and irrefutably speaking about the vagina's cum tasting like wine since the whole verses is about sex and sucking vaginas and breasts.

          I just find it quite sickening that some christians would go too far in lying and making up hoaxes and lies to cover up for their horny and pornful bible.

          Please Christians/Jewish answer this question for me

          Why should vaginas and illegal sex done by unmarried lovers be talked about in a sexual fantasy in the book that is supposed to be the True Living Words of GOD Almighty from the first place?

          Having sex all night long with that sister
          "Come, my lover, let us go to the countryside, let us spend the night in the villages." (Song of Songs 711)

          And make love all night long?

          She wished if he were her brother, so she doesn't have to take him home with her in secret. He must have satisfied her really good!!
          "If only you were to me like a brother, who was nursed at my mother's breasts! Then, if I found you outside, I would kiss you, and no one would despise me. I would lead you and bring you to my mother's house-- she who has taught me. I would give you spiced wine to drink, the nectar of my pomegranates. His left arm is under my head and his right arm embraces me." (Song of Songs 81-3)

          She wished if he were her biological brother so she can take him home without a secret and there he can have sex with her all the time!

          Few points to notice from this verse
          1- She wished if her boyfriend/lover was her actual brother so she wouldn't have to take him home in secret.
          2- She would sleep with her own brother.
          3- She would kiss him publicly.
          4- She wants him to feel her body.
          5- She wants him to do her all night long!
          6- Her wanting to kiss him publicly clearly means that the Bible's holy slut is so horny and so turned on that she having him at home doing her all night long is not enough. THEY HAVE TO MAKE OUT PUBLICLY TOO.

          What more pornography and sick trash do you want? Even today's internet pornography have not yet gone down to the filthy level of brothers and sisters sleeping with each others. That's how sick and pervert the people who changed the Bible really is.

          Important Note If you don't call the above garbage "pornography", then what else would you call it? It wouldn't surprise me to see Christians end up one day sleeping with their sisters, as Christian men are marrying men and Christian women are marrying women in California, USA.

          It wouldn't surprise me to see brothers committing adultery with their sisters especially since the Bible seems to allow them to do it anyway (any sister with a stud brother who was nursed by her "mother's breasts"), especially if they both live over at their mother's home.

          Well I have seen it on Jerry Springer, Jerry , Jerry , Jerry, Jerry

          I am not being sarcastic!, I need answers please because I did not find this garbage in the Quran that is being Crucified on web sites as a book full of garbage hence it must be copied from the corrupt Bible, or what do you think?

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            Who ever said that the Koranic material was new...?

            i thought that was what you were saying. Any how, what i'm trying to say is that the quran isn't making up a new God, or even dressing up the God as something else. Its talking about the same exact thing.

            Not hardly...

            If you understood classic Arabic, then you would be aware that the name "allah" is rooted in pagan Arab idol worship.

            This is fact.

            Please, for once, do as i did and stop taking your holy scripture as the word of God and try to see if it makes sense or not.

            Done.

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              Peace AP

              I found it very disgusting and offensive to accuse a noble/preserved scripture like the Quran of being copied from the porno filled humanly corrupt bible, here is a sample of 2000 pages I have, so please stop your propaganda and miselading claims or I will post those pages and the public will see clealy that your bible is damn corrupt

              Please show us that 1400+ year old "preserved Koran" that you keep talking about...

              Also.....we have to ask; are you into worshiping red cars...?

              Looks like it.... wink

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                if you understood classic Arabic, then you would be aware that the name "allah" is rooted in pagan Arab idol worship.

                This is fact.

                That's because the quran itself is in arabic. Maybe the arab idol worshippers wouldn't have understood what the word 'god' meant so He had to use the word 'allah' to make them understand. does that make sense?

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                  Peace AP

                  I found it very disgusting and offensive to accuse a noble/preserved scripture like the Quran of being copied from the porno filled humanly corrupt bible, here is a sample of 2000 pages I have, so please stop your propaganda and miselading claims or I will post those pages and the public will see clealy that your bible is damn corrupt

                  Please show us that 1400+ year old "preserved Koran" that you keep talking about...

                  I don't need to show it, it is already shown enough, what I have to show is the corruption in the porno filled bible

                  Also.....we have to ask; are you into worshiping red cars...?

                  before I answer, may I ask who is "we" first?

                  Looks like it.... wink

                  now the subject has changed from a corrupt bible to a red car lol , well answer the above question first and I will get back to you on that one wink

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                    if you understood classic Arabic, then you would be aware that the name "allah" is rooted in pagan Arab idol worship.

                    This is fact.

                    That's because the quran itself is in arabic. Maybe the arab idol worshippers wouldn't have understood what the word 'god' meant so He had to use the word 'allah' to make them understand. does that make sense?

                    Is this any reason for it to be used in your book of faith...?

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                      Peace AP

                      I found it very disgusting and offensive to accuse a noble/preserved scripture like the Quran of being copied from the porno filled humanly corrupt bible, here is a sample of 2000 pages I have, so please stop your propaganda and miselading claims or I will post those pages and the public will see clealy that your bible is damn corrupt

                      Please show us that 1400+ year old "preserved Koran" that you keep talking about...

                      I don't need to show it, it is already shown enough, what I have to show is the corruption in the porno filled bible

                      If you can't show it, then perhaps it is time for you to stop claiming that one exists... o

                      Also.....we have to ask; are you into worshiping red cars...?

                      before I answer, may I ask who is "we" first?

                      Us...

                      Looks like it.... wink

                      now the subject has changed from a corrupt bible to a red car lol , well answer the above question first and I will get back to you on that one wink

                      The subject matter has been changed several times in this thread...you are not the first one to do it...

                      How fast does your shiny red car go....?

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                        Peace AP

                        I found it very disgusting and offensive to accuse a noble/preserved scripture like the Quran of being copied from the porno filled humanly corrupt bible, here is a sample of 2000 pages I have, so please stop your propaganda and miselading claims or I will post those pages and the public will see clealy that your bible is damn corrupt

                        Please show us that 1400+ year old "preserved Koran" that you keep talking about...

                        I don't need to show it, it is already shown enough, what I have to show is the corruption in the porno filled bible

                        If you can't show it, then perhaps it is time for you to stop claiming that one exists...

                        and why you are upset by me claimimg it existed?

                        Also.....we have to ask; are you into worshiping red cars...?

                        before I answer, may I ask who is "we" first?

                        Us...

                        now before I answer, may ask who is "Us"?

                        is it "me and you"?

                        Looks like it.... wink

                        now the subject has changed from a corrupt bible to a red car lol , well answer the above question first and I will get back to you on that one wink

                        The subject matter has been changed several times in this thread...you are not the first one to do it...

                        No worries, here is a subject change

                        In the following, everyone will see how David was a sick and careless murderer for selectively killing an innocent man for only telling him news about the death of Saul!

                        Let us carefully read 2 Samuel 4, but before that let us read 1 Samuel 247-9

                        7 With these words David rebuked his men and did not allow them to attack Saul. And Saul left the cave and went his way.

                        8 Then David went out of the cave and called out to Saul, "My lord the king!" When Saul looked behind him, David bowed down and prostrated himself with his face to the ground.

                        9 He said to Saul, "Why do you listen when men say, 'David is bent on harming you'?

                        Now let's read the short chapter of 1 Samuel 24. Pay close attention to the bolded and underlined parts below

                        Ish-Bosheth Murdered

                        1 When Ish-Bosheth son of Saul heard that Abner had died in Hebron, he lost courage, and all Israel became alarmed.

                        2 Now Saul's son had two men who were leaders of raiding bands. One was named Baanah and the other Recab; they were sons of Rimmon the Beerothite from the tribe of Benjamin-Beeroth is considered part of Benjamin,

                        3 because the people of Beeroth fled to Gittaim and have lived there as aliens to this day.

                        4 (Jonathan son of Saul had a son who was lame in both feet. He was five years old when the news about Saul and Jonathan came from Jezreel. His nurse picked him up and fled, but as she hurried to leave, he fell and became crippled. His name was Mephibosheth.)

                        5 Now Recab and Baanah, the sons of Rimmon the Beerothite, set out for the house of Ish-Bosheth, and they arrived there in the heat of the day while he was taking his noonday rest.

                        6 They went into the inner part of the house as if to get some wheat, and they stabbed him in the stomach. Then Recab and his brother Baanah slipped away.

                        7 They had gone into the house while he was lying on the bed in his bedroom. After they stabbed and killed him, they cut off his head. Taking it with them, they traveled all night by way of the Arabah.

                        8 They brought the head of Ish-Bosheth to David at Hebron and said to the king, "Here is the head of Ish-Bosheth son of Saul, your enemy, who tried to take your life. This day the LORD has avenged my lord the king against Saul and his offspring."

                        9 David answered Recab and his brother Baanah, the sons of Rimmon the Beerothite, ?As surely as the LORD lives, who has delivered me out of all trouble,?

                        10 when a man told me, 'Saul is dead,' and thought he was bringing good news, I seized him and put him to death in Ziklag. That was the reward I gave him for his news!

                        11 How much more-when wicked men have killed an innocent man in his own house and on his own bed-should I not now demand his blood from your hand and rid the earth of you!

                        12 So David gave an order to his men, and they killed them. They cut off their hands and feet and hung the bodies by the pool in Hebron. But they took the head of Ish-Bosheth and buried it in Abner's tomb at Hebron.

                        Few points to notice from the above verses
                        1- David and Saul became friends once again after the incident inside the cave. Read 1 Samuel 24.

                        2- David didn't like the idea that two of his men killed Saul's son, Ish-Bosheth. He punished them to death.

                        3- David SO UNJUSTLY killed an innocent man for only telling him that Saul died! Saul died because of the old animosity between him and David. David's men, not knowing that the two reconciled, killed Saul in the battle, who was fighting against them, and thought they were pleasing David. A messenger from them rushed to tell David about what they thought "the good news," and David decided to unjustly kill the messenger who anyway had nothing to do with the killing of Saul. AND EVEN IF HE DID, THAT STILL WOULDN'T JUSTIFY HIS KILLING!

                        How fast does your shiny red car go....?

                        it depends on what you are asking, 0-100, or 1/4 mile or top speed and hence you asked non of these, I have no answer to your question

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                          Peace AP

                          I found it very disgusting and offensive to accuse a noble/preserved scripture like the Quran of being copied from the porno filled humanly corrupt bible, here is a sample of 2000 pages I have, so please stop your propaganda and miselading claims or I will post those pages and the public will see clealy that your bible is damn corrupt

                          Please show us that 1400+ year old "preserved Koran" that you keep talking about...

                          I don't need to show it, it is already shown enough, what I have to show is the corruption in the porno filled bible

                          If you can't show it, then perhaps it is time for you to stop claiming that one exists... o

                          and why you are upset by me claimimg it existed?

                          The myth of a 1400+ year old Koran has been lampooned.

                          If you can show otherwise, then do it.

                          We will be waiting... wink

                          Also.....we have to ask; are you into worshiping red cars...?

                          before I answer, may I ask who is "we" first?

                          Us...

                          now before I answer, may ask who is "Us"?

                          is it "me and you"?

                          No.

                          How fast does your shiny red car go....?

                          it depends on what you are asking, 0-100, or 1/4 mile or top speed and hence you asked non of these, I have no answer to your question

                          A person who has a car like that probably spends lots of time admiring it...don't you think...?

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                            Peace AP

                            I found it very disgusting and offensive to accuse a noble/preserved scripture like the Quran of being copied from the porno filled humanly corrupt bible, here is a sample of 2000 pages I have, so please stop your propaganda and miselading claims or I will post those pages and the public will see clealy that your bible is damn corrupt

                            Please show us that 1400+ year old "preserved Koran" that you keep talking about...

                            I don't need to show it, it is already shown enough, what I have to show is the corruption in the porno filled bible

                            If you can't show it, then perhaps it is time for you to stop claiming that one exists... o

                            and why you are upset by me claimimg it existed?

                            The myth of a 1400+ year old Koran has been lampooned.

                            If you can show otherwise, then do it.

                            We will be waiting... wink

                            but you didn't prove that it has been lampooned, I though you were a stand up comedian, sorry I didn't take you serious

                            Also.....we have to ask; are you into worshiping red cars...?

                            before I answer, may I ask who is "we" first?

                            Us...

                            now before I answer, may ask who is "Us"?

                            is it "me and you"?

                            No.

                            if "Us" is not me and you, may I ask who is "Us"?, is it the United States?

                            How fast does your shiny red car go....?

                            it depends on what you are asking, 0-100, or 1/4 mile or top speed and hence you asked non of these, I have no answer to your question

                            A person who has a car like that probably spends lots of time admiring it...don't you think...?

                            sure but do you think I worship that red car without knowing?

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                              Is this any reason for it to be used in your book of faith...?

                              well, as you said, this is the word for God the stone worshipping arabs used. Which means it was part of their language. And the Quran tells them what 'allah' really is. Not introduce them to a new God, but tell them who the true God is.

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                                Is this any reason for it to be used in your book of faith...?

                                well, as you said, this is the word for God the stone worshipping arabs used. Which means it was part of their language. And the Quran tells them what 'allah' really is. Not introduce them to a new God, but tell them who the true God is.

                                The Koran merely wraps the previous pagan Arab god "allah" with deity previously ascribed unto Jesus Christ from the Holy Bible.

                                This is not being honest.

                                Nor is it telling anyone who "allah" really is.

                                There can be only two possibilities

                                1. By cloaking "allah" with deity ascribed unto Jesus - this makes Jesus God

                                or...

                                1. The authors who penned the Koran (while being intimate with the previous scriptures) attempted to cloak a pagan Arab god with Biblical deity and stories, in the hope of duping the unlearned into following something completely and utterly false.

                                Which one do you think ocurred...?

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                                  Is this any reason for it to be used in your book of faith...?

                                  well, as you said, this is the word for God the stone worshipping arabs used. Which means it was part of their language. And the Quran tells them what 'allah' really is. Not introduce them to a new God, but tell them who the true God is.

                                  Yes.

                                  Much like the word "sun" would have been thought to be some smallish thing as big as the moon and at the same distance at one point in time.

                                  When the truth comes along it is not going to necessarily change the word but rather the understanding of that word. So the sun is the most massive body in the solar system situated many millions of mile more distant than the moon.

                                  The word Allah simply means 'the God' and is not a name but rather a generic term for the single creator of existence as we can know it.

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                                    The word Allah simply means 'the God' and is not a name but rather a generic term for the single creator of existence as we can know it.

                                    You really do need to brush-up on the god that you worship.

                                    Here is the classical definition?

                                    = ?allahu?

                                    ?allahu? definition

                                    Written with the disjunctive alif, meaning God, i.e. the only true god, according to the most correct of the opinions respecting it. It is a proper name to the Being who exists necessarily, by Himself, comprising all of the attributes of perfection; a proper name denoting the true god (TA), comprising all the excellent divine names; a unity comprising all of the essences of existing things; the ?al? being inseparable from it; not derived. It comes from the root ?ilaha?, which means he served, worshipped, or adored; to adore, worship, deify any one, call any one god. He was, or became, confounded, or perplexed, and unable to see his right course. An object of worship or adoration; i.e. a god, a deity; anything that is taken as an object of worship or adoration, according to him that takes it as such. It signifies the goddess; and particularly the serpent; because it was a special object of worship of some of the ancient Arabs; or the great serpent; and the new moon.

                                    References
                                    An Arabic-English Lexicon, E.W. Lane, volume one, pp. 82 - 83
                                    The Dictionary of the Holy Qur?an, 1st edition, Abdul Mannan Omar, pp. 28 - 29

                                    The implications?

                                    ? Observe the revealing definition for ?allah?, that is given by Lane...?i.e. the only true god?
                                    ? Lane is referencing a very specific example in his definition by his illustrated example (i.e.)
                                    ? It is abundantly clear that he is referencing a ?god? (lower case) to represent the ?allah? of the Koran
                                    ? To re-enforce the fact that the ?allah? of the Koran is no more than a ?god?, and to erase any notion of error, Lane repeats his very same remarks a few lines farther down in his lexical definition for ?allah?, by referencing a separate entry ? this time from the legendary ?Ta?j el-?Aroos? (TA)
                                    ? (TA ?a proper name denoting the true god, comprising all the excellent divine names; a unity comprising all the essence of existing things?
                                    ? Further, ?allah? is derived from the root ?ilaha?, which means ?he was, or became, confounded, or perplexed, and unable to see his right course?
                                    ? This would hardly seem a logical definition for true deity
                                    ? ?ilaha? also means ?an object of worship or adoration; i.e. a god, a deity; anything that is taken as an object of worship or adoration, according to him who takes it as such??which signifies idolatry as mentioned in Revelation
                                    ? ?ilaha? also signifies the goddess; and particularly the serpent; because it was a special object of worship of some of the ancient Arabs; or the great serpent; and the new moon

                                    Thus...."allah" in the Koran is not "the God"....but rather a pagan Arab god doctored-up to fool the unlearned...

                                    There can be no doubt.

                                    Put some effort into your salvation.... roll

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                                      phoenix1
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                                      peace AP,

                                      I don't quite understand what you're trying to say. Can you please explain in simple words?

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                                        peace AP,

                                        I don't quite understand what you're trying to say. Can you please explain in simple words?

                                        The "allah" mentioned in the Koran is a false god.

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                                          unknownuser
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                                          Peace Apple pie,

                                          Put some effort into your salvation.... roll

                                          Put some effort into ur research.
                                          Dont see what is shown to u, but seek for urself.

                                          Ur posts show quite clearly that u have no idea what muslims believe in.

                                          All u seem to be doing is trying ur best to paint a false picture.(well, I dont blame u. It appears u have been spoon fed with false information). Anyways, This isnt about christianity vs Islam. Its about truth, and one's understanding of it.

                                          Well u see, U r clearly wasting ur time.
                                          Most of us here seek truth and understanding for ourselves.
                                          And we dont have blind beliefs. So, these false tactics wont work with us.

                                          Here's what we believe in short
                                          -we believe in one supreme God, who has no form or shape.

                                          • we believe in righteousness as our requirement of living our religion.

                                          Here's a suggestion for u For a period, I'd suggest u let go of ur faith & its teachings, and live life contemplating on life and our creator. Just let go of all those things that u have been taught and preached, and just live, observe and contemplate.
                                          U will find the answers for urself, during and after .Unless u r too scared to do that.
                                          And then believe in what u understand and realise. Life gives u the truth, the answers. Just look for it in silence.

                                          ''Believe nothing on the faith of traditions,
                                          even though they have been held in honor
                                          for many generations and in diverse places.
                                          Do not believe a thing because many people speak of it.
                                          Do not believe on the faith of the sages of the past.
                                          Do not believe what you yourself have imagined,
                                          persuading yourself that a God inspires you.
                                          Believe nothing on the sole authority of your masters and priests.
                                          After examination, believe what you yourself have tested
                                          and found to be reasonable, and conform your conduct thereto.''

                                          • Buddha

                                          Peace!

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