Why do so many Quran Aloners still use the term "Allah"

unknownuser

Salam bro "AB",

According to the above Arabic verse it is clear that following names are His

Allah & Al Rahman

JK- Ok i agree thst "Allah" can also be an attribute. What i disagree is "Allah" being the personal name of GOD. "Alrahman" is also not left as it is in English but translated "Most Beneficial/gracious". It is not a name in that sense. It is an attribute. GOD Bless!

excuse me bro we use all these names as human names prefixed by "Abd"

Abd Al Rahman

Abd Al Rahim

Abd Al Qidoos

Abd Al Salam

Abd Al Malik

Abd Allah

Abd Al Aziz

etc
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all of Allah names including the name "Allah" are used as such

now this is important to know that we must be refering to God's names to explicitly associate the self as a slave to Him by using the prefix "Abd" otherwise it may mean Abd to any other god that is defined as a god

on the other hand we naver have the following name

Abd Al Ilah

because it means the Slave of God

which god in here?

see, it makes great sense bro

please submit and concede

Peace be with you

jonny_k

Peace bro "AB",
There was NO "al-ilah" in the old original Arabic. "Allah" is the conraction of "al-ilah". Please try to udnerstand this. Not a single time does the Quran mention "al-ilah". Therefore theres no "abd al-ilah". And "Allah" while being an attribute is NOT the personal name of GOD since there is NO such thing as the personal name of GOD. GOD Bless!

unknownuser

Peace bro "AB",
There was NO "al-ilah" in the old original Arabic. "Allah" is the conraction of "al-ilah". Please try to udnerstand this. Not a single time does the Quran mention "al-ilah". Therefore theres no "abd al-ilah". And "Allah" while being an attribute is NOT the personal name of GOD since there is NO such thing as the personal name of GOD. GOD Bless!

Bro not every word that starts with Al, means it is the Al "Al Muarafa"

all the names other than Allah, you can remove the Al and it will still be valid, EXCEPT ALLAH, if you remove the Al, you will end up with a non sensible word which is "Lah" represented by only two arabic letters "Lam & Ha". and this word does not exist as far as I believe

i wonder why you want to change this common kbnoweldge about Allah even before Islam came to existance, your motion is very silly and uncalled for bro, sorry to tell you that

Peace

unknownuser

Peace be upon you,

Al + Ilah , when combined become Allah (The God).

This is a description, JUST LIKE the rest of the descriptions we are given to address the ALL(God).

The God says whatever you describe IT as, to IT belongs the BEST descriptions.

The God dose not have a NAME like a human. We dont call IT Bob, or Jimmy, etc. To NAME something is to DEFINE something, therefore placing LIMITS on something. Physical objects like humans must be named/defined in order to seperate it from another object. The God is not an object, IT is the SUBJECT or ALL OBJECTS We are all objects of the one sentence (UNI - VERSE).

WHen we read "In the description of the God", it is helping us understand that this message is a message that helps us to bring out the "likeness of God" within us. We are purifying ourselves so that the God can manifest itself through our vehicle, this is how we serve the God. The hidden thoughts and the visable vehicle are made to SERVE the manifestation of God on Earth.

unknownuser

Peace be upon you,

Al + Ilah , when combined become Allah (The God).

This is a description, JUST LIKE the rest of the descriptions we are given to address the ALL(God).

Peace bro

excuse you man, WHY YOU CHANGED THE WORDS FROM BEST NAMES TO BEST DESCRIPTIONS?

the verse never said best description, i guess you made this up

for Al-Ilah

there is no such thing in arabi that

Al + Ilah = Allah

because Al + Ilah = Al Ilah

did you get it bro?

peace

DCS123

Everyone needs to put their petty differences and hair splitting aside. Any true Muslim knows that God judges our intentions. I don't care if you call our creator God, Allah, Dieu, Dios, Elohim, Hashem, or Bob Marley. As long as you believe in the God that revealed the Qur'an and abide by His commands and tenets, names might as well mean nothing. It is sickening to watch so much useless hair splitting take place.

mquran

2-Pac Also I personally agree with jonny the simple reason being is that God is beyond language and therefore we shouldn't limit The God to a simple word if we are to believe that his system/religion is for all of mankind to follow and not selected people in the Middle East who speak Arabic/Aramaic or whatever. Just my 2 cents!!

Agreed. There are many paths to Allah. The path I choose, that which uses al-quraan, uses the word 'Allah' and that's how I govern my thoughts. No disrespect to anyone else.

mquran

JohnyJK- Even in the Quran "Allah" is not used as a name or personal god as many believe. We should use the term for GOD of the language which we speak. Ofcourse im not forcing anyone. Thats just my advice. If you wanna be considered terrorists and racists by non-Arabic speakers, which i believe would be the result of doing so, then that's entirely upto you .

It might be percieved in that way, correct. That is why I prefer both approaches.

mquran

JK- "Allah" is the conraction of "al-ilah". It is difficult to pronouce to "alifs" like in "al-ilah". Therefore we never see this term in the Quran at all. It's just like "a apple" in English which is wrong. It should be "an apple". GOD Bless!

So why isn't al-azeez 'alazeez' ?

unknownuser

Peace mquran. thats a very interesting example. I have a bit of basic arabic,are there any more similiar examples? I have wondered whether allah is a contraction of al-ilah or not. It would be good to see responses from other memebers as well. Then we might get closer to knowing what the word allah could mean. Peace all.

mquran

Sorry, my example should be one that starts with an aleef, not an ain.

So my question to Johny why isn't it 'alkhir' but 'al-aakhir'?

unknownuser

Hello to all

The irrefutable argument against those who say Allah = Al + Ilah , is this

All of Allah other names was almost (as far as I know) expressed with the ?Al? and without the ?Al? to refer to him, EXCEPT ?Allah?, here is an example for 2 names "Al Aziz & Al Hakim", what is importnt to note is when they appeared without the "Al", the name Allah appeared with them lol

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Peace

unknownuser

Peace. Thats an interesting point. Any comments from anyone.

yfn123

But your name in Japanese would be pronouced as (Ahomedo) or (Ahamedo), or even (Ahameddo)... none of which is any longer Ahmed.

Anwar Azim (--> Anwaru Ajimu)

Hello
and my name Ahmed in Arabic will be Ahmed in English and Ahmed in chinease

unknownuser

But your name in Japanese would be pronouced as (Ahomedo) or (Ahamedo), or even (Ahameddo)... none of which is any longer Ahmed.

Anwar Azim (--> Anwaru Ajimu)

Hello
and my name Ahmed in Arabic will be Ahmed in English and Ahmed in chinease

cool

thanks for that, now i kinow my name in japanese

is this how it should be written

I dont know, as i think the japs write top to bottom?

peace

yfn123

Hello
cool

thanks for that, now i kinow my name in japanese

is this how it should be written

I dont know, as i think the japs write top to bottom?

peace

Not necessarily. You can also write left to right. Non-online Newspapers publish in top-to-bottom fashion. So do many magazines. Online newspapers are left-to-right. Most text books are left-to-right. Almost all materials online are left-to-right. )

Anwar Azim

mquran

All of Allah other names was almost (as far as I know) expressed with the Al and without the Al to refer to him, EXCEPT Allah, here is an example for 2 names "Al Aziz & Al Hakim", what is importnt to note is when they appeared without the "Al", the name Allah appeared with them

I'm afraid I can't agree with this argument because I've never seen a 'rahmaan' without 'al'. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

unknownuser

All of Allah other names was almost (as far as I know) expressed with the ?Al? and without the ?Al? to refer to him, EXCEPT ?Allah?, here is an example for 2 names "Al Aziz & Al Hakim", what is importnt to note is when they appeared without the "Al", the name Allah appeared with them

I'm afraid I can't agree with this argument because I've never seen a 'rahmaan' without 'al'. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

I'm afraid I can't agree with this statement because I included the word almost in my statement

but I agree that Al Rahman was never used without Al in the Quran and that is why I said ALMOST

jonny_k

Salam bro "AB",

Bro not every word that starts with Al, means it is the Al "Al Muarafa"

all the names other than Allah, you can remove the Al and it will still be valid, EXCEPT ALLAH, if you remove the Al, you will end up with a non sensible word which is "Lah" represented by only two arabic letters "Lam & Ha". and this word does not exist as far as I believe

i wonder why you want to change this common kbnoweldge about Allah even before Islam came to existance, your motion is very silly and uncalled for bro, sorry to tell you that

Peace

JK- The point is that in "Al-ilah" the second "Alif" is dropped to EASE THE PRONOUNCIATION, and hence we have "Allah". Even without the "alif" though "lah" is NOT A NONSENSIBLE WORD. "lah" means "to him". Infact bro "Layth" sugested the meaning of "Allah" to be "the to him(in the sense that God is the one to Whom all things belong and return). There's nothing more mystical about that. GOD Bless!

jonny_k

Peace "mquran",

So why isn't al-azeez 'alazeez' ?

JK- This is because "'aziz" is with an "ain" NOT an "alif". "ain" is diffrent from an "alif" as the sound comes from the throat. It is easy to pronounce even in this case without need of conraction. GOD Bless!