Why do so many Quran Aloners still use the term "Allah"
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Hello to all
The irrefutable argument against those who say Allah = Al + Ilah , is this
All of Allah other names was almost (as far as I know) expressed with the ?Al? and without the ?Al? to refer to him, EXCEPT ?Allah?, here is an example for 2 names "Al Aziz & Al Hakim", what is importnt to note is when they appeared without the "Al", the name Allah appeared with them lol
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Peace
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Peace. Thats an interesting point. Any comments from anyone.
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But your name in Japanese would be pronouced as (Ahomedo) or (Ahamedo), or even (Ahameddo)... none of which is any longer Ahmed.
Anwar Azim (--> Anwaru Ajimu)
Hello
and my name Ahmed in Arabic will be Ahmed in English and Ahmed in chineasecool
thanks for that, now i kinow my name in japanese
is this how it should be written
I dont know, as i think the japs write top to bottom?
peace
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Hello
coolthanks for that, now i kinow my name in japanese
is this how it should be written
I dont know, as i think the japs write top to bottom?
peace
Not necessarily. You can also write left to right. Non-online Newspapers publish in top-to-bottom fashion. So do many magazines. Online newspapers are left-to-right. Most text books are left-to-right. Almost all materials online are left-to-right. )
Anwar Azim
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All of Allah other names was almost (as far as I know) expressed with the Al and without the Al to refer to him, EXCEPT Allah, here is an example for 2 names "Al Aziz & Al Hakim", what is importnt to note is when they appeared without the "Al", the name Allah appeared with them
I'm afraid I can't agree with this argument because I've never seen a 'rahmaan' without 'al'. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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All of Allah other names was almost (as far as I know) expressed with the ?Al? and without the ?Al? to refer to him, EXCEPT ?Allah?, here is an example for 2 names "Al Aziz & Al Hakim", what is importnt to note is when they appeared without the "Al", the name Allah appeared with them
I'm afraid I can't agree with this argument because I've never seen a 'rahmaan' without 'al'. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
I'm afraid I can't agree with this statement because I included the word almost in my statement
but I agree that Al Rahman was never used without Al in the Quran and that is why I said ALMOST
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Salam bro "AB",
Bro not every word that starts with Al, means it is the Al "Al Muarafa"
all the names other than Allah, you can remove the Al and it will still be valid, EXCEPT ALLAH, if you remove the Al, you will end up with a non sensible word which is "Lah" represented by only two arabic letters "Lam & Ha". and this word does not exist as far as I believe
i wonder why you want to change this common kbnoweldge about Allah even before Islam came to existance, your motion is very silly and uncalled for bro, sorry to tell you that
Peace
JK- The point is that in "Al-ilah" the second "Alif" is dropped to EASE THE PRONOUNCIATION, and hence we have "Allah". Even without the "alif" though "lah" is NOT A NONSENSIBLE WORD. "lah" means "to him". Infact bro "Layth" sugested the meaning of "Allah" to be "the to him(in the sense that God is the one to Whom all things belong and return). There's nothing more mystical about that. GOD Bless!
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Peace "mquran",
So why isn't al-azeez 'alazeez' ?
JK- This is because "'aziz" is with an "ain" NOT an "alif". "ain" is diffrent from an "alif" as the sound comes from the throat. It is easy to pronounce even in this case without need of conraction. GOD Bless!
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Peace "mquran",
Sorry, my example should be one that starts with an aleef, not an ain.
So my question to Johny why isn't it 'alkhir' but 'al-aakhir'?
JK- It hasnt only got to do with a word starting with an "alif" BUT THE PRONOUNCIATION should be that of a simple "alif" like we hear in "al" NOT "aal". A similar example can be found in English. Take the word "hour", though it dioesnt start with a vowel we HEAR A VOWEL SOUND AT THE BEGINNING and thus the word is preceded by "an" not "a". The case with "Allah" can be thought off as a similar one. GOD Bless!
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AhmedI'm afraid I can't agree with this statement because I included the word almost in my statement
With the 'almost' , your argument fails. Let me recap for you
AB The irrefutable argument against those who say Allah = Al + Ilah , is this All of Allah other names was almost (as far as I know) expressed with the Al and without the Al to refer to him, EXCEPT Allah
Therefore if there are any names with a 'no al', Allah is still possibly 'al-ilah' contracted, according to your argument above.
To me , a better argument would be to resort to the fact that al-quraan is kitaaban mutashabihan mathany. Therefore, if Allah was like any other name, it would be 'al-ilah'. But its not. Therefore, it cannot be the same.
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As Salaam Alaikum,
What I find quite disturbing is how you associated "God" wiht Quran Aloners and "Allah" with traditionalist. Please don't hijack God and the words we use for them, with differnet sects in the Muslim community.
Obviously you are just disturbed over what non-Muslims are thinking of you if you were to say "Allah". Sorry but I am not about submit to such ignorane and a very irrational fear. Actually I'm quite offended.
Seriously get over youself and the "english" language. I'll speak whatever the heck I want, whenever I want.
Your idea that a 'Quran Aloner' should say God instead of Allah is bullcrap, and really quite racist in my opinion.
salaam
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Salaam Alleikum No Progressive
I totally agree with you. My advice to you will be to leave Free Minds leaving it to Rashad Khalifa cult. I will stay away from Free Minds myself will come back after couple of weeks to read Dr. Ayman Part II article.
Allah Taala bless you for speaking the truth.
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PEACE
^^If we are going to associate individuals into cults or name call and try to disperse from here then that is not right
We have a variety of people here on this board and we should not discourage visitors to leave debates or finding knowledge by labelling someone or their beliefs in a derogative way.
I'm not taking sides here but I feel johny_k is being single handedly attacked here for believing in Code-19 which is his own personal choice of belief and if you attack or do not agree then do so in the correct section of this board but ignorant attacks on people without debating I personally don't like.
PEACE
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What I find quite disturbing is how you associated "God" wiht Quran Aloners and "Allah" with traditionalist. Please don't hijack God and the words we use for them, with differnet sects in the Muslim community.
In Johny's defense, the word 'Allah' is being used in a derogatory sense amongst the Christian fundies I've met. Ignorant of them, but I think we need to build bridges.
Obviously you are just disturbed over what non-Muslims are thinking of you if you were to say "Allah". Sorry but I am not about submit to such ignorane and a very irrational fear. Actually I'm quite offended.
We should present the message in the best way possible. Sometimes this might include a temporary compromise of language in my experience. However, I believe that the best way is to return to the linguistics and vocabulary of al-quraan.
KGB I totally agree with you. My advice to you will be to leave Free Minds leaving it to Rashad Khalifa cult. I will stay away from Free Minds myself will come back after couple of weeks to read Dr. Ayman Part II article.
Come on , KGB )
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Peace,
Your idea that a 'Quran Aloner' should say God instead of Allah is bullcrap, and really quite racist in my opinion.
I think Jonny meant to not restrict the word to refer to the Creator to an Arabic word.
If the Arabic word is the unique correct one, that is what I'd find racist. -
I think Jonny meant to not restrict the word to refer to the Creator to an Arabic word.
If the Arabic word is the unique correct one, that is what I'd find racist.Al-quraan is a map to a destination. Its the destination that counts, not the map itself. If you used another map (I believe all maps save this one are flawed but potentially can still get you there), then you will need other systems of signs.
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As Salaam Alaikum,
Well many Muslims are now using "Muslim" derrogatory too. It just no longer (as if it ever was) just flows from the mouth.. It's not "Muslim" its a "MUSSLLIM"... the "Muslim" is stressed. You think that Pat Robertson is saying "muslim" nicely??? Should we stoop calling ourselves Muslims aswell? And refer to ourselves as some Enlgish translation of it or else?
salaam
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AhmedI'm afraid I can't agree with this statement because I included the word almost in my statement
With the 'almost' , your argument fails. Let me recap for you
AB The irrefutable argument against those who say Allah = Al + Ilah , is this All of Allah other names was almost (as far as I know) expressed with the ?Al? and without the ?Al? to refer to him, EXCEPT ?Allah
Therefore if there are any names with a 'no al', Allah is still possibly 'al-ilah' contracted, according to your argument above.
To me , a better argument would be to resort to the fact that al-quraan is kitaaban mutashabihan mathany. Therefore, if Allah was like any other name, it would be 'al-ilah'. But its not. Therefore, it cannot be the same.
what you are going on about?
I said almost every name was used with Al and without Al, now you are working hard to make that statement wrong
fine, make it wrong, but in your books not mine