Why do so many Quran Aloners still use the term "Allah"

unknownuser

Peace. Thats an interesting point. Any comments from anyone.

yfn123

But your name in Japanese would be pronouced as (Ahomedo) or (Ahamedo), or even (Ahameddo)... none of which is any longer Ahmed.

Anwar Azim (--> Anwaru Ajimu)

Hello
and my name Ahmed in Arabic will be Ahmed in English and Ahmed in chinease

unknownuser

But your name in Japanese would be pronouced as (Ahomedo) or (Ahamedo), or even (Ahameddo)... none of which is any longer Ahmed.

Anwar Azim (--> Anwaru Ajimu)

Hello
and my name Ahmed in Arabic will be Ahmed in English and Ahmed in chinease

cool

thanks for that, now i kinow my name in japanese

is this how it should be written

I dont know, as i think the japs write top to bottom?

peace

yfn123

Hello
cool

thanks for that, now i kinow my name in japanese

is this how it should be written

I dont know, as i think the japs write top to bottom?

peace

Not necessarily. You can also write left to right. Non-online Newspapers publish in top-to-bottom fashion. So do many magazines. Online newspapers are left-to-right. Most text books are left-to-right. Almost all materials online are left-to-right. )

Anwar Azim

mquran

All of Allah other names was almost (as far as I know) expressed with the Al and without the Al to refer to him, EXCEPT Allah, here is an example for 2 names "Al Aziz & Al Hakim", what is importnt to note is when they appeared without the "Al", the name Allah appeared with them

I'm afraid I can't agree with this argument because I've never seen a 'rahmaan' without 'al'. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

unknownuser

All of Allah other names was almost (as far as I know) expressed with the ?Al? and without the ?Al? to refer to him, EXCEPT ?Allah?, here is an example for 2 names "Al Aziz & Al Hakim", what is importnt to note is when they appeared without the "Al", the name Allah appeared with them

I'm afraid I can't agree with this argument because I've never seen a 'rahmaan' without 'al'. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

I'm afraid I can't agree with this statement because I included the word almost in my statement

but I agree that Al Rahman was never used without Al in the Quran and that is why I said ALMOST

jonny_k

Salam bro "AB",

Bro not every word that starts with Al, means it is the Al "Al Muarafa"

all the names other than Allah, you can remove the Al and it will still be valid, EXCEPT ALLAH, if you remove the Al, you will end up with a non sensible word which is "Lah" represented by only two arabic letters "Lam & Ha". and this word does not exist as far as I believe

i wonder why you want to change this common kbnoweldge about Allah even before Islam came to existance, your motion is very silly and uncalled for bro, sorry to tell you that

Peace

JK- The point is that in "Al-ilah" the second "Alif" is dropped to EASE THE PRONOUNCIATION, and hence we have "Allah". Even without the "alif" though "lah" is NOT A NONSENSIBLE WORD. "lah" means "to him". Infact bro "Layth" sugested the meaning of "Allah" to be "the to him(in the sense that God is the one to Whom all things belong and return). There's nothing more mystical about that. GOD Bless!

jonny_k

Peace "mquran",

So why isn't al-azeez 'alazeez' ?

JK- This is because "'aziz" is with an "ain" NOT an "alif". "ain" is diffrent from an "alif" as the sound comes from the throat. It is easy to pronounce even in this case without need of conraction. GOD Bless!

jonny_k

Peace "mquran",

Sorry, my example should be one that starts with an aleef, not an ain.

So my question to Johny why isn't it 'alkhir' but 'al-aakhir'?

JK- It hasnt only got to do with a word starting with an "alif" BUT THE PRONOUNCIATION should be that of a simple "alif" like we hear in "al" NOT "aal". A similar example can be found in English. Take the word "hour", though it dioesnt start with a vowel we HEAR A VOWEL SOUND AT THE BEGINNING and thus the word is preceded by "an" not "a". The case with "Allah" can be thought off as a similar one. GOD Bless!

mquran

AhmedI'm afraid I can't agree with this statement because I included the word almost in my statement

With the 'almost' , your argument fails. Let me recap for you

AB The irrefutable argument against those who say Allah = Al + Ilah , is this All of Allah other names was almost (as far as I know) expressed with the Al and without the Al to refer to him, EXCEPT Allah

Therefore if there are any names with a 'no al', Allah is still possibly 'al-ilah' contracted, according to your argument above.

To me , a better argument would be to resort to the fact that al-quraan is kitaaban mutashabihan mathany. Therefore, if Allah was like any other name, it would be 'al-ilah'. But its not. Therefore, it cannot be the same.

NoProgressive

As Salaam Alaikum,

What I find quite disturbing is how you associated "God" wiht Quran Aloners and "Allah" with traditionalist. Please don't hijack God and the words we use for them, with differnet sects in the Muslim community.

Obviously you are just disturbed over what non-Muslims are thinking of you if you were to say "Allah". Sorry but I am not about submit to such ignorane and a very irrational fear. Actually I'm quite offended.

Seriously get over youself and the "english" language. I'll speak whatever the heck I want, whenever I want.

Your idea that a 'Quran Aloner' should say God instead of Allah is bullcrap, and really quite racist in my opinion.

salaam

KGB

Salaam Alleikum No Progressive

I totally agree with you. My advice to you will be to leave Free Minds leaving it to Rashad Khalifa cult. I will stay away from Free Minds myself will come back after couple of weeks to read Dr. Ayman Part II article.

Allah Taala bless you for speaking the truth.

Prince

PEACE

^^If we are going to associate individuals into cults or name call and try to disperse from here then that is not right

We have a variety of people here on this board and we should not discourage visitors to leave debates or finding knowledge by labelling someone or their beliefs in a derogative way.

I'm not taking sides here but I feel johny_k is being single handedly attacked here for believing in Code-19 which is his own personal choice of belief and if you attack or do not agree then do so in the correct section of this board but ignorant attacks on people without debating I personally don't like.

PEACE

mquran

What I find quite disturbing is how you associated "God" wiht Quran Aloners and "Allah" with traditionalist. Please don't hijack God and the words we use for them, with differnet sects in the Muslim community.

In Johny's defense, the word 'Allah' is being used in a derogatory sense amongst the Christian fundies I've met. Ignorant of them, but I think we need to build bridges.

Obviously you are just disturbed over what non-Muslims are thinking of you if you were to say "Allah". Sorry but I am not about submit to such ignorane and a very irrational fear. Actually I'm quite offended.

We should present the message in the best way possible. Sometimes this might include a temporary compromise of language in my experience. However, I believe that the best way is to return to the linguistics and vocabulary of al-quraan.

KGB I totally agree with you. My advice to you will be to leave Free Minds leaving it to Rashad Khalifa cult. I will stay away from Free Minds myself will come back after couple of weeks to read Dr. Ayman Part II article.

Come on , KGB )
Aside from Johny, who else is there?

Elena

Peace,

Your idea that a 'Quran Aloner' should say God instead of Allah is bullcrap, and really quite racist in my opinion.

I think Jonny meant to not restrict the word to refer to the Creator to an Arabic word.
If the Arabic word is the unique correct one, that is what I'd find racist.

mquran

I think Jonny meant to not restrict the word to refer to the Creator to an Arabic word.
If the Arabic word is the unique correct one, that is what I'd find racist.

Al-quraan is a map to a destination. Its the destination that counts, not the map itself. If you used another map (I believe all maps save this one are flawed but potentially can still get you there), then you will need other systems of signs.

NoProgressive

As Salaam Alaikum,

Well many Muslims are now using "Muslim" derrogatory too. It just no longer (as if it ever was) just flows from the mouth.. It's not "Muslim" its a "MUSSLLIM"... the "Muslim" is stressed. You think that Pat Robertson is saying "muslim" nicely??? Should we stoop calling ourselves Muslims aswell? And refer to ourselves as some Enlgish translation of it or else?

salaam

unknownuser

AhmedI'm afraid I can't agree with this statement because I included the word almost in my statement

With the 'almost' , your argument fails. Let me recap for you

AB The irrefutable argument against those who say Allah = Al + Ilah , is this All of Allah other names was almost (as far as I know) expressed with the ?Al? and without the ?Al? to refer to him, EXCEPT ?Allah

Therefore if there are any names with a 'no al', Allah is still possibly 'al-ilah' contracted, according to your argument above.

To me , a better argument would be to resort to the fact that al-quraan is kitaaban mutashabihan mathany. Therefore, if Allah was like any other name, it would be 'al-ilah'. But its not. Therefore, it cannot be the same.

what you are going on about?

I said almost every name was used with Al and without Al, now you are working hard to make that statement wrong

fine, make it wrong, but in your books not mine

unknownuser

Salam bro "AB",

Bro not every word that starts with Al, means it is the Al "Al Muarafa"

all the names other than Allah, you can remove the Al and it will still be valid, EXCEPT ALLAH, if you remove the Al, you will end up with a non sensible word which is "Lah" represented by only two arabic letters "Lam & Ha". and this word does not exist as far as I believe

i wonder why you want to change this common kbnoweldge about Allah even before Islam came to existance, your motion is very silly and uncalled for bro, sorry to tell you that

Peace

JK- The point is that in "Al-ilah" the second "Alif" is dropped to EASE THE PRONOUNCIATION, and hence we have "Allah". Even without the "alif" though "lah" is NOT A NONSENSIBLE WORD. "lah" means "to him". Infact bro "Layth" sugested the meaning of "Allah" to be "the to him(in the sense that God is the one to Whom all things belong and return). There's nothing more mystical about that. GOD Bless!

Peace bro

there is no such thingh in Arabic bro, to drop the first Alif when adding Al to the word, never heard of this new grammar law

can you please provide any evidences?

thanks

mquran

what you are going on about?

I said almost every name was used with Al and without Al, now you are working hard to make that statement wrong

fine, make it wrong, but in your books not mine

I will simply even more for you

Your reasoning works IF NO OTHER (not ALMOST no other) name of Allah exists without the 'al' attached. For example, Ar-rahmaan is never just rahmaan, as far as I can see.