Why do so many Quran Aloners still use the term "Allah"
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Peace "NP",
As Salaam Alaikum JK,
Okay Jk. I'm just going to disagree with you on this. I believe that what you are saying is useless becuase it is hopes to help a very SMALL minority on this forum.
salaam.
JK- No problem. We can always disagree but we should do so peacefully ) . GOD Bless!
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Peace be upon you all,
Some very good arguments being put forth by JK and MQ in particular.
Someone stated that upholding "Culture" was not correct, or something to that effect. I would disagree, the cultures that revolved around THE spiritual principles should indeed be upheld. That is a culture designed to develop the spirits/minds(nafs) of its inhabitants. That is in contrast to western culture today that pollutes the spirit/mind(nafs) of its inhabitants.
Culture is VERY important.
(2133) Or were you witnesses when the death came to Jacob, when he said to his sons"What (do) you serve from after me?" They said "We serve your God(ilahaka) and God(ilaha) of your fathers; Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac. One God (ilahan wahidan), and we are to Him (lahu) vehicles of Peace."
Jacob wanted to make sure that his sons followed the culture/order (deen) of the righteous family, that of thier father and his fathers. It is the same culture/order(deen) given to Noah and all. It is the culture that we do not come to blindly. We do not follow the ways of our fathers blindly. It is a culture of research/study and reflection until we KNOW. It is the verifyable system of God.
Now, regarding the word "allah", some very deep comments have been made that have made me really dig deep. The goal is for truth, not to uphold any concept that I am emotionally tied to. I have to first get KNOWLEDGE, then I can allow emotions to follow that. In the above verse, there is no "allah" stated, but it is clearly tallking about "God". What is teh difference between "allah" and "ilah"?
Is it "allah" or "illah" used in the following verse?
(12) Alhamdu lillahi rabbi alAAalameena
(27) Khatama Allahu AAala quloobihim....
The above verse says that "The (al) to him(lahu) sealed upon thier hearts...."
We know that Al = The , and from the first verse above, 2133, we see that "lahu" is translated as "to him".
I need to understand the grammar going on here. What is teh difference between "lahu" and "lahi", as in the verse above, 12, where "lahi" is used with "al".
Lastly, what do you all make of the following statement;
- Have you considered Allaat and Al-'Uzzah?
- And Manaat, the third one?
notice the similar construction of what is being debated here
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These are but names/descriptions/definitions ("asma'a") that you named/dewcribed/defined, you and your forefathers. Never descended the "lahi" with it from authority. They follow conjecture and what the spirits/minds fantasize, while the guidance has come to them from their Lord.
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Those who don't have faith in the ending have named those given control/("mala'ika") feminine names.
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They had no knowledge about this; they only conjectured. Conjecture is no substitute for the truth.
All of the descriptions of the God are the "malaika", the proper thoughts that control Life, that define man's pattern of Creation based on God, whose pattern we resemble. (3030 Fitara)
(1773) They almost diverted you from the inspiriations we have given you. They wanted you to invent something else, in order to consider you a friend.
We have to get to the bottom of "lahu" and "lahi".
Please give feedback.
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Peace be upon you,
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Hi, I actually use both (God and Allah). I probably use Allah more, because I was raised Sunni and that's all we used to call God (I didn't even know that htere was another word for Allah (God) until I was 6). So, It's not that I intentionally use the Arabic, It's just that old habits (for me) die hard, is all. I don't think God mines if you use the English, Arabic, Russian, German or Japanese translation, they are all used to describe our Lord. ?
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Salam,
I have a suggestion (but remember I am just learning arabic so this is just a thought)....
maybe illah and Allah are the same just different pronounciations? As far as I can tell they are written the same but with different diacritical marks. The Quran (to the best of my knowledge) did not originally have diacritical marks. So maybe its just two different pronounciations?Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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Peace Arnaab
Ilah spelling is Alif ; Lam ; Alif ; Ha
Allah spelling is Alif, Lam ; Lam ; Ha
The third letter is different bro
Salam
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Peace all,
I just had to bring this topic back again as i can see not much has changed on the forum despite this long argument. I still suggest that you please, while addressing the public, avoid any Arabic terms like Allah, salam, Allahu Akbar, etc since new commers will be frightned by these and most assuredly take them in a -ve sense. It wont get us anywhere so please why cant you just write GOD instead of Allah, peace instead of Salam etc etc.? Thankyou. GOD Bless! -
There's an uncompromising difference between the "Allah of the Quran" and "GOD of Reality". The "Allah of the Quran" is a known man-made deity defined by its limited measures and attributes while the "GOD of Reality or Cosmological Realm" is unknown.
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Peace "Danish",
There's an uncompromising difference between the "Allah of the Quran" and "GOD of Reality". The "Allah of the Quran" is a known man-made deity defined by its limited measures and attributes while the "GOD of Reality or Cosmological Realm" is unknown.
JK- Did you never ponder upon the following Quranic verse
If all the trees on earth were made into pens, and the ocean supplied the ink, augmented by seven more oceans, the words of GOD would not run out. GOD is Almighty, Most Wise.
So the Quran contains all the words we need for our salvation but GOD makes it clear in this Book that He never runs out of words. Yes GOD can never be fully understood and the Quran approves of this. So what is the problem? GOD Bless! -
salam alaykum.
the arabic word for "god" is "ilah" . "Allah" cannot be translated into "god" or "the god", i think .your thinking is 100% right
peace
Allah is ma'rifah of ilah (the Only Ilah). Nothing to do with God.
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Peace sister "samia",
Salam all
JK, what would the English word God stand for, Allah or Rub?
JK- The Arabic word for the English word "God(with capital G)" or as id prefer "GOD(all caps)" would be "Allah". "Rub" translates to "lord/cherisher/sustainer". GOD Bless!
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Peace JK
you know what man, you reminded me with Mustafa Kamal, the turkish leader who abandined the Arabic alphabet, as well the Azan in Arabic
Salam
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Peace bro "AB",
Peace JK
you know what man, you reminded me with Mustafa Kamal, the turkish leader who abandined the Arabic alphabet, as well the Azan in Arabic
Salam
JK- Well bro and i believe it's right to give that advice. What MK did was however force this issue which i believe was not right. Theres no compulsion in religion but that doesnt mean i cant advise you. I hope you got my point. GOD Bless!
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peace and blessings of the Lord of all the worlds be upon you God willing
I myself don't see the need to not translate the whole thing if we are writing in english we should keep the whole thing in english. My personal opinion it is a better read and i myself when reading things that says ALLAH while the rest is in english makes me have to go back and translate it as GOD in my mind which takes my focus off. i dont know about you guys but thats my 2 cents.
amanda
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Peace JK
you know what man, you reminded me with Mustafa Kamal, the turkish leader who abandined the Arabic alphabet, as well the Azan in Arabic
Salam
Salam, )
In my opinion, all countries where Arabic is not the official language should use their own language in everything, including Adzan. In my country Indonesia, people do not even understand what the Muadzin(Prayer caller) means when he shouts 'Haya ala sholat' D.
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Peace JK
you know what man, you reminded me with Mustafa Kamal, the turkish leader who abandined the Arabic alphabet, as well the Azan in Arabic
Salam
Salam,
In my opinion, all countries where Arabic is not the official language should use their own language in everything, including Adzan. In my country Indonesia, people do not even understand what the Muadzin(Prayer caller) means when he shouts 'Haya ala sholat' D.
Salam
People should know that the Azan is for the prayer so it does not need roket science to know what it is for especialy it is nothing but 3 to 5 repeated sentences wgich every Muslims should have known already in any language
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In my opinion, all countries where Arabic is not the official language should use their own language in everything, including Adzan. In my country Indonesia, people do not even understand what the Muadzin(Prayer caller) means when he shouts 'Haya ala sholat' D.
O ye who believe! approach not prayers with a mind befogged, until ye can understand all that ye say, nor in a state of ceremonial impurity (except when travelling on the road), until after washing your whole body. If ye are ill, or on a journey, or one of you cometh from offices of nature, or ye have been in contact with women, and ye find no water, then take for yourselves clean sand or earth, and rub therewith your faces and hands. For Allah doth blot out sins and forgive again and again.
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aslm handshake
my first quran,which my mom bought because i told her and she saw it,it was a bad translation and eventhou it made me realise it was God's words it was bad translated and it said the spanish term for allah and not allah like my new quran,it feels weird u read in one language and u read another strange word.but when i speak english i like saying allah,only to muslims,not non muslims,and if i would have to speak with an spanish muslim i would use dios still.god sounds bad,its dog backwards.
i use it so ignorant people dont get it wrong like it is some person idol,most of people dont know allah means god in arabic,and its special because u cant use allah for anything else but him.
i dont go extreme with "u should not",or "its his name",just the middle,i dont think he could tell us his name,that wont help us at all,his laws do.if u say,in your salaat(comunication prayer) over 250 times the word ALLAH,why dont just call him by that when u are with someone who does the same?