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Why do so many Quran Aloners still use the term "Allah"

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    unknownuser
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    Hey Jonney

    It was stated as such "La Ilah Ila Hu" ie, No God But him

    not enough logic bro, sounds like stretching to me because

    Ilah = God

    Allah = Allah

    peace

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      unknownuser
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      Peace

      I also believe the following

      Rab = Ilah = God

      but

      Allah = Allah

      peace

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        jonny_k
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        Peace bro "AB",

        According to the above Arabic verse it is clear that following names are His

        Allah & Al Rahman

        JK- Ok i agree thst "Allah" can also be an attribute. What i disagree is "Allah" being the personal name of GOD. "Alrahman" is also not left as it is in English but translated "Most Beneficial/gracious". It is not a name in that sense. It is an attribute. GOD Bless!

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          unknownuser
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          Salam bro "AB",

          According to the above Arabic verse it is clear that following names are His

          Allah & Al Rahman

          JK- Ok i agree thst "Allah" can also be an attribute. What i disagree is "Allah" being the personal name of GOD. "Alrahman" is also not left as it is in English but translated "Most Beneficial/gracious". It is not a name in that sense. It is an attribute. GOD Bless!

          excuse me bro we use all these names as human names prefixed by "Abd"

          Abd Al Rahman

          Abd Al Rahim

          Abd Al Qidoos

          Abd Al Salam

          Abd Al Malik

          Abd Allah

          Abd Al Aziz

          etc
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          all of Allah names including the name "Allah" are used as such

          now this is important to know that we must be refering to God's names to explicitly associate the self as a slave to Him by using the prefix "Abd" otherwise it may mean Abd to any other god that is defined as a god

          on the other hand we naver have the following name

          Abd Al Ilah

          because it means the Slave of God

          which god in here?

          see, it makes great sense bro

          please submit and concede

          Peace be with you

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            jonny_k
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            Peace bro "AB",
            There was NO "al-ilah" in the old original Arabic. "Allah" is the conraction of "al-ilah". Please try to udnerstand this. Not a single time does the Quran mention "al-ilah". Therefore theres no "abd al-ilah". And "Allah" while being an attribute is NOT the personal name of GOD since there is NO such thing as the personal name of GOD. GOD Bless!

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              unknownuser
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              Peace bro "AB",
              There was NO "al-ilah" in the old original Arabic. "Allah" is the conraction of "al-ilah". Please try to udnerstand this. Not a single time does the Quran mention "al-ilah". Therefore theres no "abd al-ilah". And "Allah" while being an attribute is NOT the personal name of GOD since there is NO such thing as the personal name of GOD. GOD Bless!

              Bro not every word that starts with Al, means it is the Al "Al Muarafa"

              all the names other than Allah, you can remove the Al and it will still be valid, EXCEPT ALLAH, if you remove the Al, you will end up with a non sensible word which is "Lah" represented by only two arabic letters "Lam & Ha". and this word does not exist as far as I believe

              i wonder why you want to change this common kbnoweldge about Allah even before Islam came to existance, your motion is very silly and uncalled for bro, sorry to tell you that

              Peace

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                unknownuser
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                Peace be upon you,

                Al + Ilah , when combined become Allah (The God).

                This is a description, JUST LIKE the rest of the descriptions we are given to address the ALL(God).

                The God says whatever you describe IT as, to IT belongs the BEST descriptions.

                The God dose not have a NAME like a human. We dont call IT Bob, or Jimmy, etc. To NAME something is to DEFINE something, therefore placing LIMITS on something. Physical objects like humans must be named/defined in order to seperate it from another object. The God is not an object, IT is the SUBJECT or ALL OBJECTS We are all objects of the one sentence (UNI - VERSE).

                WHen we read "In the description of the God", it is helping us understand that this message is a message that helps us to bring out the "likeness of God" within us. We are purifying ourselves so that the God can manifest itself through our vehicle, this is how we serve the God. The hidden thoughts and the visable vehicle are made to SERVE the manifestation of God on Earth.

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                  unknownuser
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                  Peace be upon you,

                  Al + Ilah , when combined become Allah (The God).

                  This is a description, JUST LIKE the rest of the descriptions we are given to address the ALL(God).

                  Peace bro

                  excuse you man, WHY YOU CHANGED THE WORDS FROM BEST NAMES TO BEST DESCRIPTIONS?

                  the verse never said best description, i guess you made this up

                  for Al-Ilah

                  there is no such thing in arabi that

                  Al + Ilah = Allah

                  because Al + Ilah = Al Ilah

                  did you get it bro?

                  peace

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                    DCS123
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                    Everyone needs to put their petty differences and hair splitting aside. Any true Muslim knows that God judges our intentions. I don't care if you call our creator God, Allah, Dieu, Dios, Elohim, Hashem, or Bob Marley. As long as you believe in the God that revealed the Qur'an and abide by His commands and tenets, names might as well mean nothing. It is sickening to watch so much useless hair splitting take place.

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                      mquran
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                      2-Pac Also I personally agree with jonny the simple reason being is that God is beyond language and therefore we shouldn't limit The God to a simple word if we are to believe that his system/religion is for all of mankind to follow and not selected people in the Middle East who speak Arabic/Aramaic or whatever. Just my 2 cents!!

                      Agreed. There are many paths to Allah. The path I choose, that which uses al-quraan, uses the word 'Allah' and that's how I govern my thoughts. No disrespect to anyone else.

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                        mquran
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                        JohnyJK- Even in the Quran "Allah" is not used as a name or personal god as many believe. We should use the term for GOD of the language which we speak. Ofcourse im not forcing anyone. Thats just my advice. If you wanna be considered terrorists and racists by non-Arabic speakers, which i believe would be the result of doing so, then that's entirely upto you .

                        It might be percieved in that way, correct. That is why I prefer both approaches.

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                          mquran
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                          JK- "Allah" is the conraction of "al-ilah". It is difficult to pronouce to "alifs" like in "al-ilah". Therefore we never see this term in the Quran at all. It's just like "a apple" in English which is wrong. It should be "an apple". GOD Bless!

                          So why isn't al-azeez 'alazeez' ?

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                            unknownuser
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                            Peace mquran. thats a very interesting example. I have a bit of basic arabic,are there any more similiar examples? I have wondered whether allah is a contraction of al-ilah or not. It would be good to see responses from other memebers as well. Then we might get closer to knowing what the word allah could mean. Peace all.

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                              mquran
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                              Sorry, my example should be one that starts with an aleef, not an ain.

                              So my question to Johny why isn't it 'alkhir' but 'al-aakhir'?

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                                unknownuser
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                                Hello to all

                                The irrefutable argument against those who say Allah = Al + Ilah , is this

                                All of Allah other names was almost (as far as I know) expressed with the ?Al? and without the ?Al? to refer to him, EXCEPT ?Allah?, here is an example for 2 names "Al Aziz & Al Hakim", what is importnt to note is when they appeared without the "Al", the name Allah appeared with them lol

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                                Peace

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                                  unknownuser
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                                  Peace. Thats an interesting point. Any comments from anyone.

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                                    yfn123
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                                    But your name in Japanese would be pronouced as (Ahomedo) or (Ahamedo), or even (Ahameddo)... none of which is any longer Ahmed.

                                    Anwar Azim (--> Anwaru Ajimu)

                                    Hello
                                    and my name Ahmed in Arabic will be Ahmed in English and Ahmed in chinease

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                                      unknownuser
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                                      But your name in Japanese would be pronouced as (Ahomedo) or (Ahamedo), or even (Ahameddo)... none of which is any longer Ahmed.

                                      Anwar Azim (--> Anwaru Ajimu)

                                      Hello
                                      and my name Ahmed in Arabic will be Ahmed in English and Ahmed in chinease

                                      cool

                                      thanks for that, now i kinow my name in japanese

                                      is this how it should be written

                                      I dont know, as i think the japs write top to bottom?

                                      peace

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                                        yfn123
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                                        Hello
                                        cool

                                        thanks for that, now i kinow my name in japanese

                                        is this how it should be written

                                        I dont know, as i think the japs write top to bottom?

                                        peace

                                        Not necessarily. You can also write left to right. Non-online Newspapers publish in top-to-bottom fashion. So do many magazines. Online newspapers are left-to-right. Most text books are left-to-right. Almost all materials online are left-to-right. )

                                        Anwar Azim

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                                          mquran
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                                          All of Allah other names was almost (as far as I know) expressed with the Al and without the Al to refer to him, EXCEPT Allah, here is an example for 2 names "Al Aziz & Al Hakim", what is importnt to note is when they appeared without the "Al", the name Allah appeared with them

                                          I'm afraid I can't agree with this argument because I've never seen a 'rahmaan' without 'al'. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

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