arabic words

samina

salam
can anyone tell me what exactly do u mean by roots in arabic words and how can a arabic word have a multiple meanings?? ect ect

i dont know arabic n frankly feel very frustrated tht i dont have the knowledge of arabic language

so pls help in understanding

unknownuser

salam
can anyone tell me what exactly do u mean by roots in arabic words and how can a arabic word have a multiple meanings?? ect ect

i dont know arabic n frankly feel very frustrated tht i dont have the knowledge of arabic language

so pls help in understanding

Hello

I can put it simply as follow

Words in Arabic are driven from a thing called "Musdar", "Source" and commonly known as ?Gazr? = "Root"
The roots are nothing but other Arabic words that can be either 2, 3 or 4 letters, I will confirm this later when I receive three grammar books ordered from Egypt soon inshallah, one of these books is Quran based btw
The way to derive words is by using something called Wazn, every Arabic word must have wazn, except some "letters of Garr" like "Fi" for example, you just can't relate its letters to any root
The reason to derive words from the root is self explanatory, it is to create new words that are sounding not just any collection of a randomly selected letters to make new words that may be very hard to pronounce
The wazn of the root is always "Fa Aa La" representing the wildly used 3 letters root, for example

The Root Ka Ta Ba, which means ?to write? and is also representing the verb in past tense, and is on the wazn "Fa Aa La"

if we want a muscular present tense of that verb, we add a ?Ya? in front, so it becomes "Ya Ka Ta Ba"" and will be on the wazn "Ya Fa Aa La", for feminine in present tense the ?Ya? becomes ?Ta? and the wazn is "Ta Fa Aa La" = "Ta Ka Ta Ba"

for a group of males, the verb becomes on the wazn "Ya Fa Aa Lu"/"Ya Fa Aa Lun" or for group of females "Ta Fa Aa Ln", can you see how the last letter has changed, it will be due to the type of sex for the group doing the action as well relates to another rule called Irab (I can explain this later), however the same other rule applied regarding the first letter

if we want to have a noun of it as an entity that is doing the action (doing the verb) it will be on the wazn if "Fa Aa Ai La", this is done by adding an alif after the first letter in the root "Fa Aa La" to become "Fa Aa Ai La", we also have another rule called "Tashkil that control the pronouncing of the words as we drive them, that is why you will see the third letter became 'Ai' instead of 'Aa', therefore a writer will become "Ka Aa Ti B" for a female writer we must add a ?Ta marboota? at the end to become "Ka Aa Ti Bah" which is on the wazn "Fa Aa Ai Lah"

same with plural regarding the last letter

the most important point is the driven words are independent from the root the moment they are driven and used in a sentence, this means they will have their own meanings, their own wazn, and their own different Irab and Tashkil according to the structure/context of the Arabic sentence they used within
it is logical to assume that all words driven from the same root will be close in the meaning, however it is not the case in all words for example

Root = "Ma La Ka" which means "To Own"

we can drive many words out of this root the following two words are totally opposite in meaning

Malik = King
Mamluk = Salve

It is a common knowledge in any language that the context is very important to understand the meanings of the words

another clear example is as follow

Root = "Sa La Ma" which means "to greet", "to submit", or "to deliver?

but we have the word "Sellim" which has the same exact letters as the root "it is just pronounced differently", but it means "Ladder"

that is why you have to be very careful when resorting to this root method that I see it very flawed

peace be with you and may Allah increase your knowledge

mquran

Salaamun alaikum,

Ahmed we can drive many words out of this root the following two words are totally opposite in meaning

Malik = King
Mamluk = Salve

They are opposite yes but opposite based on what ? Based on one COMMON thing mulk. Malik has a mulk whereas a mamluk concedes mulk.

that is why you have to be very careful when resorting to this root method that I see it very flawed

That's why you've gone very silent on the salaat issue. You refuse to disclose how you came to your understanding. Once you do, your house of cards will come down and you know it.

unknownuser

Salaamun alaikum,

Ahmed we can drive many words out of this root the following two words are totally opposite in meaning

Malik = King
Mamluk = Salve

They are opposite yes but opposite based on what ? Based on one COMMON thing mulk. Malik has a mulk whereas a mamluk concedes mulk.

that is why you have to be very careful when resorting to this root method that I see it very flawed

That's why you've gone very silent on the salaat issue. You refuse to disclose how you came to your understanding. Once you do, your house of cards will come down and you know it.

so what iare you saying exactly, tat the root method is perfect?

fine, go for it, I careless how you understand your arabic, you are not a native arabic speaker anyway, so I will only refute the ignornace you promote

for the Salat, I already said what I need to say, I don't have further time to waste, but i promise you when I do have time to waste I will look again at that thread

mquran

fine, go for it, I careless how you understand your arabic, you are not a native arabic speaker anyway, so I will only refute the ignornace you promote

Ask a native speaker what 'hadith' is. Again we'll see the truth behind your criteria.

samina

peace
pls dont fight among urseleves
remember the verses of quran
4.86. When you are greeted with a greeting, greet in return with what is better than it, or (at least) return it equally. Certainly, All?h is Ever a Careful Account Taker of all things.[]
17.53. And say to My slaves that they should (only) say THOSE WORDS THAT ARE BEST( treat each other in the best possible manner) verily, satan wants disagreements among them. Surely, Shait?n (Satan) is to man a plain enemy.
RESPONG BAD WORDS WITH GOOOD WORDS
41.34. The good deed and the evil deed cannot be equal. Repel (Respond) (the evil) with one which is better , then verily! he, between whom and you there was enmity, (will become) as though he was a close friend

NOW BACK TO THE TOPIC
. so there is a root word n from this root word u can derieve other words many similar meanings rite
but i dont understand how can some pple disagree on the meanings of same word ?eg the word jild means striking but one brother enquirer on the forum tells it can also mean witness HOW ?
does one word has different meanings at the same time if yes then how ?

unknownuser

Peace Samina,

NOW BACK TO THE TOPIC
. so there is a root word n from this root word u can derieve other words many similar meanings rite
but i dont understand how can some pple disagree on the meanings of same word ?eg the word jild means striking but one brother enquirer on the forum tells it can also mean witness HOW ?
does one word has different meanings at the same time if yes then how ?

There could be several meanings to a specific word, but only one meaning must stand out with reason, given the context in which it relates. It is simply a matter of proper understanding, which most here discuss and quite often end up arguing about in contention. And this is true for all languages and not just Arabic.

unknownuser

peace
pls dont fight among urseleves

Peace

I'm not here to fight or argue with any, I only provide what I believe is the truth and nothing but the truth, I have my other boards where I can fullfill my desires to fight if I want, and I tell you sister on those boards it gets really ugly but I'm a professionl in that department and it always ends by them leaving me in peace lol

remember the verses of quran
4.86. When you are greeted with a greeting, greet in return with what is better than it, or (at least) return it equally. Certainly, All?h is Ever a Careful Account Taker of all things
17.53. And say to My slaves that they should (only) say THOSE WORDS THAT ARE BEST( treat each other in the best possible manner) verily, satan wants disagreements among them. Surely, Shait?n (Satan) is to man a plain enemy.
RESPONG BAD WORDS WITH GOOOD WORDS
41.34. The good deed and the evil deed cannot be equal. Repel (Respond) (the evil) with one which is better , then verily! he, between whom and you there was enmity, (will become) as though he was a close friend

Thank you sister, great reminder indeed

NOW BACK TO THE TOPIC
. so there is a root word n from this root word u can derieve other words many similar meanings rite

not similar meaning as such, the words may just be sharing the action

for example

write can not mean writer

but both share the writing

but i dont understand how can some pple disagree on the meanings of same word ?

because some resort to the flawed method of the root and others look into it properly through the context and the structure of the sentence

eg the word jild means striking but one brother enquirer on the forum tells it can also mean witness HOW ?

I never heard of what he said before, but I know that Jild also means humas skin or any skin for that matter

it is the context that will make the menaing of any word clear

does one word has different meanings at the same time if yes then how ?

Yes as Danish said, BUT IT CAN'T BE AT THE SAME TIME, on a word by word basis, yes you may end with many meanings to the one word as all langugaes, but when you put it in a sentence it must be one meaning only as danish said

peace

samina

peace

so we can take out the meanings of a word by understanding and interpreting the word in a different way and according to the sentence .

danish u say tht this is not the case only with arabic languages but with all the languages ?
in english i think there is no root word as as such n one word in english has only one meaning doesnt has 2 or 3 meanings atleast i cant think of any word now

truth

The roots are nothing but other Arabic words that can be either 2, 3 or 4 letters, I will confirm this later when I receive three grammar books ordered from Egypt soon inshallah, one of these books is Quran based

There is at least one 5 letter root in the reading.

Chapter 29 is called by that name by sunnites. See 2941

So maybe your "professional" knowledge of Arabic isn't as good as what you believe.

Tay

Peace Samina,

You stated

in english i think there is no root word as as such n one word in english has only one meaning doesnt has 2 or 3 meanings atleast i cant think of any word now

Actually, many English words are derived from roots - mostly the words borrowed from Latin, I believe. Additionally, there are countless words in the English language with multiple meanings - however, this is due in large part to the dynamic nature of human language, as these words take on new meanings through usage over time. The same can be said of any language that's been around for a while.

Peace,
Tay

truth

Peace Samina,

You stated

in english i think there is no root word as as such n one word in english has only one meaning doesnt has 2 or 3 meanings atleast i cant think of any word now

Actually, many English words are derived from roots - mostly the words borrowed from Latin, I believe. Additionally, there are countless words in the English language with multiple meanings - however, this is due in large part to the dynamic nature of human language, as these words take on new meanings through usage over time. The same can be said of any language that's been around for a while.

Peace,
Tay

Absolutely right. Many English words are actually derived from French because of the Norman influence during history. The words have roots that have developed and changed with time.

Here's an example...

RENDER
render |?r?nd?| verb

1 provide (a service) money serves as a reward for services rendered. ? give (help) Mrs. Evans would render assistance to those she thought were in real need. ? submit or present for inspection or consideration he would render income tax returns at the end of the year. ? poetic/literary hand over he will render up his immortal soul. ? deliver (a verdict or judgment) the jury's finding amounted to the clearest verdict yet rendered upon the scandal.

2 cause to be or become; make the rains rendered his escape impossible.

3 represent or depict artistically the eyes and the cheeks are exceptionally well rendered. ? translate the phrase was rendered into English. ? Music perform (a piece) a soprano solo reverently rendered by Linda Howie. ? Computing process (an outline image) using color and shading in order to make it appear solid and three-dimensional.

4 melt down (fat) the fat was being cut up and rendered for lard. ? process (the carcass of an animal) in order to extract proteins, fats, and other usable parts ( rendered) the rendered down remains of sheep.

5 cover (stone or brick) with a coat of plaster external walls will be rendered and tiled.

Quite a number of meanings there. The etymology of the word is from French...

ORIGIN late Middle English from Old French rendre, from an alteration of Latin reddere ?give back,? from re- ?back? + dare ?give.? The earliest senses were and (hence and ); (hence and ); ; and

Now consider another word...

RENDEZVOUS

This word has the same RND type root as the word above, though it has a different meaning to any of those above. It will not surprise you therefore that it has the same root as RENDER...

ORIGIN late 16th cent. from French rendez-vous! ?present yourselves!,? imperative of se rendre.

Note the connection with 'present' or 'submit' yourself.

In all Semitic languages of which Arabic is only a recent one words are built from "triliteral" roots (most are three lettered). These roots can be modified in a regular fashion to create analogous concepts and semantics; or they can be adapted to create nuances of meaning in general related to the root concept.

samina

peace

wow never thought even english words could have multiple meanings n a history like this

darguzaraznaam

Hi samina...

Actually, a 'root' is just a convenient starting point from which you can follow various paths to form other words. The simplest letter combination is chosen as the root.

Nearly all Arabic words have a three-letter root, which is also the '3rd-person-past-singular' verb, or 'he somethinged...'

Thus 'Sa-Li-Ma' - 'he was safe/secure/healthy'
''SHa-Hi-Du' - 'he witnessed'

From these you can make other past tenses - by adding bits on the end. You can make present tenses by adding bits on the front and end. You can change the meaning in standard ways by doubling the middle letter, by adding certain other letters, and combinations of these. You can make nouns for the person doing the action, the person on the receiving end, and the action itself (compare 'to pay' with 'payer', 'payee' and 'paying'). And then you can make other nouns with meanings linked to the root.

A root may have a couple of distinct meanings, determined by context. Often noun forms will relate to just one of the root meanings.

And if you like to start learning, I have made a very small start on a 'teach yourself Arabic' website which can introduce you to the basics
http//www.irreduciblefifth.force9.co.uk/arabic.

And to others here

salaam from simon who many years ago was active as 'behqabrestan' on some halem's yahoo discussion forum and OQS amongst others and recognises lots of names here like mquran, bahman (still advocating 19), layth, ...... So this is where everyone is....

Dar guzar az naam wa binigar dar sifat
taa sifataat rah numeyad sue dhat

Pass from names and look at qualities
until qualities show the way to essence

unknownuser

The roots are nothing but other Arabic words that can be either 2, 3 or 4 letters, I will confirm this later when I receive three grammar books ordered from Egypt soon inshallah, one of these books is Quran based

There is at least one 5 letter root in the reading.

Chapter 29 is called by that name by sunnites. See 2941

So maybe your "professional" knowledge of Arabic isn't as good as what you believe.

well, at least i don't propose silly ideas about tne Quran and manipulate their meanings, like Khamar is allowed lol

can you list to me 10 arabic words with a root of 5 letters?

also mister, i don't look for roots like you, I careless if there is even 10 letters root, can't you get that I'm a native arabic speaker and I dont need the novice and flawed method of the root to understand the arabic words?, this is bloody simple to understand don't you think?

also I would like you to tell me the 5 letters root of the arabic word , I have a feeling that you are wrong, and you will not know it unless you are going to copy from some non arab web sites, but be careful, I will quiz your reply

waiting for an answer please

samina

peace
thanks darguzaraznaam for the link , i hope to learn more n more abt the arabic words and their roots inshallah

to truth , ahmedbahgat , mquran i dont understand y is their so much of conflict whtever conflicts and disagreements u pple have leave it on tht thread dont bring it or drag it here , pls try to respect each others views dont try to impose ur thinking on others
tellin things to each other directly , indirectly its sad n a shame to see believers with such gud knowledge of arabic words their roots ect to behave in such a childish n immature manner ,
i have stated some verses below pls ponder upon those verses , it is not easy to follow but u can keep tryin
n wht da heck we r believers n shouldnt we be in peace with each other

unknownuser

peace
thanks darguzaraznaam for the link , i hope to learn more n more abt the arabic words and their roots inshallah

to truth , ahmedbahgat , mquran i dont understand y is their so much of conflict whtever conflicts and disagreements u pple have leave it on tht thread dont bring it or drag it here , pls try to respect each others views dont try to impose ur thinking on others
tellin things to each other directly , indirectly its sad n a shame to see believers with such gud knowledge of arabic words their roots ect to behave in such a childish n immature manner ,
i have stated some verses below pls ponder upon those verses , it is not easy to follow but u can keep tryin
n wht da heck we r believers n shouldnt we be in peace with each other

Excuse me sister

you raised an important question, I came and responded to the best of my knoweldge, then he came attacking me while he didn't give a fluke to answer your important question

so I wonder about the following

why you think I did wrong when I responded to someone in public because HE STARTED attacking me in public?
one of my my roles as a submitter to Allah is to refute those promoting silly ideas about our great religion, examples like "Alcohol is allowed", "Pork is allowed", "The Quran is not a name", "The Quran has verses insereted in it", etc etc, therefore you should expect conflicts, it is natural, but I have no hard feelings though

peace

samina

peace ahmed bahgat
i apoligise if i have offended u in any way , it makes me sad when i see believers have conflicts in such a way , i waz not pointing at u only i was pointing at mquran n truth also ,
i am not gonna tell her who is right n who is wrong , all i want to tell is tht pls be in peace
anyway i think we should forget this topic here
n get back to arabic words

zenje

Peace darguzaraznaam,

Welcome to the board.

el-Aziz

danish u say tht this is not the case only with arabic languages but with all the languages ?
in english i think there is no root word as as such n one word in english has only one meaning doesnt has 2 or 3 meanings atleast i cant think of any word now

One word usually have one specific meaning. In Indo-European languages we also use suffixes, prefixese and changes of vowels to change the meaning of a "root". Such as hold - behold, know - knowledge - acknowledge. I can't come up with that many but I'm confident you do get the picture anyway.

/S