sex with the captives?
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Peace agent,
But these words do not appear in the arabic - or show them how?
so it should have been something
Now this fits very well as follows , look to the context of the whole
The believers must (eventually) win through
Those who humble themselves in their prayers
Who avoid vain talk;
Who are active in deeds of charity;
Who abstain from sex
Except with their partners or (rather) whom they posses by hands/oaths,- for then they are free from blame.And no slaves for sex as that isn't allowed any where in the holy scripture.
The pagans made it up for enjoyment - cunning wasn't it?
Peace and understanding be with you too.
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Salaam Alaikum agent and all ..
Don't confuse yourselves with a pile of translations, just follow Pickthall. His works have been recognized as the best and most literal.
JazekAllah khair ..P.S. brother agent .. I think there's a typing error in your signature.
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"just follow Pickthall"
arn't we allowed to weigh and consider and follow the best thereof.
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arn't we allowed to weigh and consider and follow the best thereof.
Absolutely .. and Pickthall is most commonly recognized as the best.
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If Quran allowed sex with slaves than its also allowing slavery.....this doesnt sound right to me. A nice excuse to have so many sexual partners...........I dont understand why muslims accuse ppl if they have gf/bf or sex before marriage between couples.
Why dont we just get straight..!!! sex is ok between two person who are willing to share their body with each other thru understanding. Forget abt all these institutional marriage. where is the harm here?
here is the harm
(i quote from RationalReality.com)
PREMARITAL SEX AND THE DYING NUCLEAR FAMILY
This paper examines the relationship between society's greater acceptance attitudes towards premarital sex since the 1960s, the breakdown of the traditional U.S nuclear family, and the rise in female-headed single parent households.
It presents this increase in permissiveness towards premarital sex and the accompanying practice changes as causal links to the increase in the divorce rate and the feminization of poverty
The research is also extended to include status of women and children, juvenile delinquency, and shallower relationships at all levels in society.
The research model follows a logico-empirical path analysis, similar to the what the "path" that the Koran suggests while discussing non-marital sex (Koran 179).
CLICK HERE
SELF-DESTRUCT PREMARITAL SEX AND OUR DYING SOCIETY
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and Pickthall is most commonly recognized as the best.
Commonly recognized as the best by whom?
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peace simple,
you wrote
But these words do not appear in the arabic - or show them how?
so it should have been something
you can translate it in what ever way you want/can, or or whom they posses by hands/oaths but the message is very clear I.e. that they were allowed to have sex with someone other then their wives.
SAVE FROM THEIR WIVES OR ??? so the question is who were these others? will you please explain your understanding of this verse?peace.
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Hi Agent,zainab,
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Except with their mates or what possessed (through) oath - for they are free from blame,231-7,
the believers will win through, -
Those who humble themselves in their prayers;
who avoid vain talk;
who are active in deeds of charity;Who abstain from sex,
except with their mates who they are married to - for they are free from blame,
But those whose desires exceed those limits are transgressors.Examples
They went to their motherland or where they were born.
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Out of their possessions or all they possessed was a share for the begger.
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In their passport or their traveling document is their photograph.e.t.c
How else it could be made simpler ? I haven?t the fuggiest.
God Bless.
And was it King/kind avatar thingy zainab was pointed?
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peace simple,
you wrote
Who abstain from sex,
except with their mates who they are married to - for they are free from blame,
But those whose desires exceed those limits are transgressors.will you please underline the arabic words in the above verse which can be translated into "WHO THEY ARE MARRIED TO".
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Khan
EXCEPT FROM THEIR WIVES OR (THE CAPTIVES AND SLAVES) THAT THEIR RIGHT HANDS POSSESS, for then, they are free from blame;Maulana
EXCEPT IN THE PRESENCE OF THEIR MATES OR THOSE WHOM THEIR RIGHT HANDS POSSESS, for such surely are not blameable,Pickthal
SAVE FROM THEIR WIVES OR THE (SLAVES) THAT THEIR RIGHT HANDS POSSESS, for then they are not blameworthy,Rashad
ONLY WITH THEIR SPOUSES, OR THOSE WHO ARE RIGHTFULLY THEIRS, do they have sexual relations; they are not to be blamed.Sarwar
EXCEPT WITH THEIR SPOUSES AND SLAVE-GIRLS. The practice of carnal relations is lawful with them.Shakir
EXCEPT BEFORE THEIR MATES OR THOSE WHOM THEIR RIGHT HANDS POSSESS, for they surely are not blameable,Sherali
EXCEPT FROM THEIR WIVES OR WHAT THEIR RIGHT HANDS POSSESS, for then they are not to be blamed;Yusufali
EXCEPT WITH THOSE JOINED TO THEM IN THE MARRIAGE BOND, OR (THE CAPTIVES) whom their right hands possess,- for (in their case) they are free from blame,omarahmed
6. EXCEPT WITH THOSE JOINED TO THEM IN THE MARRIAGE BOND OR (THE CAPTIVES) whom their right hands possess for (in their case) they are free from blameAhmedreza
BUT FROM THEIR WIVES OR LAWFUL HANDMAIDS who are the property of their hand for (in their case) they are not to be blamed.it seems to me that either you have missed some portion of the above mentioned verse in your translation or the other translators have added some thing extra )
peace.
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peace zainab,
you wrote
P.S. brother agent .. I think there's a typing error in your signature.
please sis tell me precisely as i couldn?t find it.
God bless you.
Is that supposed to be 'kind words' instead of 'king words' ?
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here is the harm
(i quote from RationalReality.com)
PREMARITAL SEX AND THE DYING NUCLEAR FAMILY
This paper examines the relationship between society's greater acceptance attitudes towards premarital sex since the 1960s, the breakdown of the traditional U.S nuclear family, and the rise in female-headed single parent households.
Good response Saladin ..
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Peace zanaib,
You wrote
Is that supposed to be 'kind words' instead of 'king words' ?
Sis Thank you very much for pointing it out
This is yousaf ali`s translation of 2263 I copied from a cd ?ALIM?KING WORDS and the covering of faults are better than charity followed by injury. Allah is free of all wants and he is Most Forbearing.
And guess what? This is yousaf ali`s translation of the same verse but from some other source.
KIND WORDS and the covering of faults are better than charity followed by injury. Allah is free of all wants, and He is Most-Forbearing.
And this is how others have translated it
PICKTHALL
A KIND WORD with forgiveness is better than almsgiving followed by injury. Allah is Absolute, Clement.KHAN
KIND WORDS and forgiving of faults are better than Sadaqah (charity) followed by injury. And Allah is Rich (Free of all wants) and He is Most- Forbearing.MAULANA
A KIND WORD with forgiveness is better than charity followed by injury. And Allah is Self-sufficient, Forbearing.PICKTHAL
A KIND WORD with forgiveness is better than almsgiving followed by injury. Allah is Absolute, Clement.RASHAD
KIND WORDS and compassion are better than a charity that is followed by insult. GOD is Rich, Clement.SHAKIR
KIND SPEECH and forgiveness is better than charity followed by injury; and Allah is Self-sufficient, Forbearing.SHERALI
A KIND WORD and forgiveness are better than charity followed by injury. And ALLAH is Self-Sufficient, Forbearing.So you are absolutely right, it is ?kind words? )
peace.
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Salaams brother agent .. and welcome. Pickthall's is undoubtedly the best. That's one of the verses I've learnt by heart.
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peace all,
Islam Q&A (www.islam-qa.com)
Question
At the present time, is it Halal to have a sexual intercourse with your Loundi (a female prisoner of war) without getting married to her?.Answer
Praise be to Allaah.
It is not permissible for a man to have intercourse with anyone except his wife or his female slave (concubine). A wife becomes permissible after shar?i marriage and a concubine becomes permissible to the man who owns her. She may originally be a prisoner of war, and a Muslim may obtain a concubine from the ruler or commander if he took part in fighting in jihad, or if he buys her from her owner. She becomes permissible for him by virtue of his ownership after it is established that she is not pregnant by waiting for one menstrual cycle, or until she has given birth if she is pregnant.Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning)
?And those who guard their chastity (i.e. private parts, from illegal sexual acts)
6. Except from their wives or (the slaves) that their right hands possess, for then, they are free from blame?It was narrated that Abu Sa?eed al-Khudri said The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, concerning the prisoners of Awtaas ?Do not have intercourse with a pregnant woman until she gives birth, or with one who is not pregnant until she has menstruated once.? Narrated by Abu Dawood, 2157. This hadeeth was classed as saheeh by Shaykh al-Albaani in Irwa? al-Ghaleel, 187.
peace.
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peace all,
Traditional Sunni viewpoints
Written by al-Khudayr (www.islam-qa.com)Question
I've heard that it is allowed for men to have intercourse with their slaves. Does that stand for women too, & if men can have intercourse with their slaves (the ones they have bought) then why is it so much ill thought of the prostitutes...they too are, kind of bought at others will, for shorter time period perhaps. Can you make all this clear & why is it so that Islam did not stop slavery....they are humans as well, & are against their will kept in captivity & against their will may be forced into intercourse?Answer
Praise be to Allaah.
Slavery in Islam was originally prescribed because of Kufr. If there is jihaad between the Muslims and the kuffaar, and a number of kuffaar are taken prisoner, the commander is given the choice of sharing them out, doing them a favour (by releasing them) or paying their ransom. If they are shared out as part of the booty, they become slaves, subject to the laws governing products which may be sold. But at the same time, Islam urges the freeing of slaves and makes doing so an act of expiation for numerous sins. In principle, slavery is not something that is desirable; what is encouraged in Islam is the freeing of slaves. If a woman is enslaved according to sharee?ah, it is permissible for her master to have intercourse with her. This is unlike prostitution or zinaa, which Islam has forbidden as a precaution against mixing lineages and other reasons for which it is forbidden. There is no comparison between the two, because if a slave woman becomes pregnant, the child belongs to the master and she becomes free when he dies, because she has become the mother of the master?s child (umm walad), and is subject to the same rulings as a wife. And Allaah knows best.peace.
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peace all,
Traditional Sunni viewpoints
Islam Q&A (www.islam-qa.com)Question
What is a right hand servant? Do you have to be married to have one? How can you finalize it and get one and state this person as your right hand servant?.Answer
Praise be to Allaah.
Firstly
If Allaah enables the Muslim mujahideen to defeat kaafir enemies in war, then the men may be killed, ransomed, set free without ransom or enslaved. The choice between these four options is to be made by the ruler, according to what he thinks is the best course.With regard to the women, they become slaves and ?those whom one's right hand possesses? (described as a ?right hand servant? in the question). Male children also become slaves. The ruler shares out these slaves among the mujaahideen.
Shaykh al-Shanqeeti (may Allaah have mercy on him) said The reason why a person may be taken as a slave is his being a kaafir and waging war against Allaah and His Messenger. If Allaah enables the Muslims who are striving and sacrificing their lives and their wealth and all that Allaah has given them to make the word of Allaah supreme over the kaafirs, then He allows them to enslave the kuffaar when they capture them, unless the ruler chooses to free them or to ransom them, if that serves the interests of the Muslims.
Adwa? al-Bayaan, 3/387
Islam limited the sources of slaves which existed before the mission of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) to just one source, namely slavery resulting from capturing prisoners from among the kuffaar.Islam treated female slaves more kindly in their enslavement than other cultures did. Their honour was not considered to be permissible to anyone by way of prostitution, which was the fate of female prisoners of war in most cases. Rather Islam made them the property of their masters alone, and forbade anyone else to also have intercourse with them, even if that was his son. Islam made it their right to become free through a contract of manumission; it encouraged setting them free and promised reward for that. Islam made setting slaves free an obligation in the case of some kinds of expiation (kafaarah), such as the expiation for accidental killing, zihaar (a jaahili form of divorce in which a man said to his wife, ?You are to me as my mother?s back?), and breaking oaths. They received the best treatment from their masters, as was enjoined by the pure sharee?ah.
Secondly
A mujaahid does not have to be married in order to gain possession of a ?slave whom one?s right hand possesses.? None of the scholars expressed such a view.Thirdly
If a mujaahid takes possession of a female slave or male slave, it is permissible for him to sell them. In either case ? whether one acquires a slave through battle or through purchase ? it is not permissible for a man to have intercourse with a female slave until she has had a period from which it may be ascertained that she is not pregnant. If she is pregnant then he must wait until she gives birth.It was narrated that Ruwayfi? ibn Thaabit al-Ansaari said I heard the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say on the day of Hunayn ?It is not permissible for any man who believes in Allaah and the Last Day to irrigate the crop of another else ? meaning to have intercourse with a woman who is pregnant. And it is not permissible for a man who believes in Allaah and the Last Day to have intercourse with a captured woman until he has established that she is not pregnant. And it is not permissible for a man who believes in Allaah and the Last Day to sell any booty until it has been shared out.?
Narrated by Abu Dawood, 2158; classed as hasan by Shaykh al-Albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood, 1890.
For many reasons, including the fact that the Muslims have long since given up jihad, slavery is now very rare. This means that the Muslims must be extra cautious by examining any case in which it is claimed that someone is a slave, whether male or female.And Allaah knows best.
peace.
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peace all,
Traditional Sunni viewpoints
Islam Q&A (www.islam-qa.com)Question
Few years back, I needed a slave for comfort and support and to fulfill my jobs, I was able to pay the slave what they wanted and to comfort them too on their conditions. There was a Young Lady who agreed, on our conditions. My slave was only there when I needed her a bit like part employment she came over when I needed her and went away when not needed. We made a contract that she would serve me because she agreed and I agreed with my side.
Hence, this young lady still lives in her parents home and is not marries she agreed I be her master so it gives me the rights to touch her and look at her. We spent a lot of time together and I freed her from the contracts then got married together.
The point is that we get slaves from war time, but when will that come? Here she had agreed. And look after with the same standard of mine
Is there any haram element in this situation because the master only touched someone he owned, so this cannot be zinna.
-I would like to know the equities of slaves too
-How to you own a slave and what is the sharee condition?
-Can the master and slave have bodily contact and to what extent?
-Is there an age difference limit, i.e. they both can?t be same age?
-Can this kept secret or does everyone HAVE TO know?
-What is the minimum age the master and slave can be?
-IS SLAVES ARE ONLY AVAILABLE AT WAR-TIME, , IS THERE ANOTHER WAS OF OWNING A SLAVE?
Is it true our prophet (pbuh) owned many slaves, and called one ship?Answer
Praise be to Allaah.
Some of the questions are repeated and interconnected. We will answer them all ? in sha Allaah ? in the following points.Firstly
What you did with the servant woman is haraam and is not permissible. A servant woman is not a slave woman whom it is permissible to touch and have intercourse with. A servant woman is free and is not permissible for you except through marriage, which is what you did, but unfortunately you did it late.
The contract that existed between you and the servant woman was a contract of employment, which was to serve you in your house. It was not a contract that permitted you to have intercourse with her. You say that she agreed that you would be her master and she let you touch her and look at her, and that you freed her from the contract, but this has no basis of validity in sharee?ah in the sense that you refer to. A free woman cannot become a slave unless she is a kaafir woman from a state that is at war with the Muslims and the Muslims have captured her. This does not apply in the case which you are asking about.Secondly
Slaves (men and women) may be taken in the wars that take place between Muslims and kaafirs, not in wars that are fought amongst the Muslims at times of tribulation.
Islam limited the sources of slaves which existed before the mission of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) to just one source, namely slavery resulting from capturing prisoners from among the kuffaar, including women and children.
Shaykh al-Shanqeeti (may Allaah have mercy on him) said The reason why a person may be taken as a slave is his being a kaafir and waging war against Allaah and His Messenger. If Allaah enables the Muslims who are striving and sacrificing their lives and their wealth and all that Allaah has given them to make the word of Allaah supreme over the kaafirs, then He allows them to enslave the kuffaar when they capture them, unless the ruler chooses to free them or to ransom them, if that serves the interests of the Muslims.
Adwa? al-Bayaan, 3/387Thirdly
The mujaahideen take possession of slave women as they take possession of the spoils of war. It is permissible for the one who gains possession of male or female slaves to sell them. In both cases ? owning a slave through battle or through purchase ? it is not permissible for a man to have intercourse with a slave woman until after she has had one menstrual cycle from which it may be established that she is not pregnant. If she is pregnant, then he must wait until she has given birth.
It was narrated that Ruwayfi? ibn Thaabit al-Ansaari said I heard the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say on the day of Hunayn ?It is not permissible for any man who believes in Allaah and the Last Day to irrigate the crop of another else ? meaning to have intercourse with a woman who is pregnant. And it is not permissible for a man who believes in Allaah and the Last Day to have intercourse with a captured woman until he has established that she is not pregnant. And it is not permissible for a man who believes in Allaah and the Last Day to sell any booty until it has been shared out.?
Narrated by Abu Dawood, 2158; classed as hasan by Shaykh al-Albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood, 1890.Fourthly
It is permissible for there to be a physical relationship between a man and his female slave just as there is between a man and his wife, unless he marries her off to someone else, in which case it is not permissible for him to have intercourse with her because it is not permissible for a woman to be in an intimate relationship with two men at the same time.Fifthly
There are no limits with regard to the age difference between a man and his female slave, apart from the fact that it is not permissible for him to have intercourse with her until after she has become able for that.Sixthly
The relationship between a man and his female slave should be announced publicly and not kept secret. That is because there are rulings that stem from this announcement, such as if they have children, and so as to ward off any suspicions that people who see them together may have concerning him and her.Seventhly
The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) owned some male and female slaves, among whom were the followingIbn al-Qayyim said
Zayd ibn Haarithah ibn Shuraaheel, the beloved of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). He freed him and arranged his marriage to his freed slave woman Umm Ayman, and she bore him Usaamah. His other slaves include Aslam, Abu Raafi?, Thawbaan, Abu Kabshah Sulaym, Shaqraan (whose name was Saalih), Rabaah (who was Nubian), Yassaar (who was also Nubian and was killed by the ?Arniyeen); Mid?am and Kirkirah (another Nubian) ? these two were killed at Khaybar. They also included Anjashah al-Haadi and Safeenah ibn Farookh, whose real name was Mihraan, but the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) called him Safeenah (= ?ship?) because they used to make him carry their luggage when they traveled, so he said, ?You are a ship (anta safeenah).? Abu Haatim said that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) freed him; someone else said that Umm Salamah freed him. The Prophet?s slaves also included Anasah, whose nickname was Abu Mashrah; Aflah; ?Ubayd; Tahmaan ? also known as Keesaan; Dhakwaan; Mihraan; Marwaan ? although it was said that this was another name of Tahmaan, and Allaah knows best; Hunayn; Sandar; Fudaalah (who was Yemeni); Maaboor (who was a eunuch); Waaqid; Abu Waaqid; Qassaam; Abu ?Usayb and Abu Muwayhabah.His female slaves included Salma (Umm Raafi?); Maymoonah bint Sa?d; Khadrah; Radwa; Razeenah; Umm Dameerah; Maymoonah bint Abi ?Usayb; Maariyah and Rayhaanah.
Zaad al-Ma?aad, 1/114-116Eighthly
It is rare nowadays to find slaves in the shar?i sense in which it is permissible to be intimate with them etc. That is because most of the Muslims have long since given up the obligation of jihad for the sake of Allaah, in addition to their position of weakness and humiliation before their kaafir enemies, so that many of the majority-Muslim nations have signed the protocol that expressly forbids slavery and strives to put an end to it, which was agreed upon in the United Nations in 1953.Based on that we must be very careful in examining any case where people are bought and sold as slaves, and we must also beware of the misinterpretation of the word amah (pl. imaa?) (= slave woman) which some new Muslims understand to mean that enslavement takes place simply by paying the woman some money and agreeing to have intercourse with her. This is like prostitution which is now widespread in some immoral places, night clubs and telephone sex services.
We ask Allaah to help us and you to be patient with regard to matters of our religion and to protect us from falling into evil.
And Allaah knows best.peace.