Drugs
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anything is harmfull if used wrong. I would argue that there are "drugs" that in fact does not "cloud" the mind, but rather alter its perception for a while.
Drugs are being demonised for no good reason at all, especially with money from the alcohol lobby. Give that some thought will you. Its not that the system dont want us to take drugs, they just want people to take their drugs, like; benziodazepin, zooloft, risperdal, funtex, instead of the natural kava kava, that to date has been proved only beneficial. It is a natural anti depressant, but in large amount it can become hallucingenic. This is the argument for illegalising it. I tell you what, take a large dose of benziodazepin and you become dead!!! why is that still legal then?I wanted to go to Basel some weeks ago but couldnt make it. My freind however did. It was a conference dedicated to Albert Hofman, the father of synthesized Lysergicaciddiathylamide025. www.lsd.info
Some of the worlds leading experts on the human mind, and behaviour argued for the legal use of LSD025, mescaline (from cactus) and DMT (various sources) in psycho therapy. Why?
Because they have a succes rate of 70% with permanently curing alcoholism and drug abuse with guided LSD025 sessions. They have nothing but succes with using mescaline and dmt on utterly insane people and often is capable of making them go through the stuff in their mind that they normally cant. Rape victims and people traumatised are given life back from trauma using MDMA with the streetname extacy.There is no doubt in my mind when God is saying that there is a sign in the palmtrees and the grapes from wich we take intoxication, for a people who understand/reason were talking about hallucinegoneic plants. first of all, certain palms are hallucinogenic, and i am convinced that it is a medicine refference. Like THC (grass) can be used to give back appetite to sick people, and help on pains, hallucinegones are soul medincine. But to take them alone, without a proper "guide" for the session can be extremely dangerous and i would never recommend either, unless you are sure about what youre doing and its potential outcome.
The basel experience was mindblowing to say the least, i have read the material my freind brought from there, and even tho there are a few beatnecks inbetween, most of these guys are serious researchers, and the message is clear. We want access to the soul medicine that mankind has used ever since it found it.
Christian reicht from Germany, properbly the most knowledgeable man in the world on hallucinogenic plants, or visionary plants as he calles them, found a tribe in latin america where all the males does ayahuaska. ayahuaska induce strong visions, with glowing patterns moving before your eyes, what made reicht wonder was the fact that even tho only the males took the ayahuaska, the females of the tribe drawed the images of the patterns. They would sit around the tribe shaman and go into trance while drawing his "songs".
The visions that ayahuaska induce are unique to ayahuaska. Not other hallucingen induce such patterns, so how can the females draw it? BEcause they made an eyedrop from a grassroot with a certain fungus on it, and put in their eyes. This symbiosis of plants produce natural LSD25. It still does not explain how that would make them see the patterns, unless that the patterns are something actually there, and you just have to change the brain chemistrtry, the electro magnetic frequency in the brain to see it. what they do, i have no idea, but the indians insist that they are like "laylines" of the air, and that is why everybody sees them.
There are many good uses for drugs, but as recreational happenings i find that it has a tendancy to take over peoples life and behaviour. even the "i only smoke once a week" users, change from this abuse. The qeustion therefor is, is a change a good thing if its not needed? For some people definately it is, for most, its a stupid idea. There for my own bottomline is the same as idolfree's. Ofcourse its allowed, but you are allowed not to misuse it aswell. God cares about you, that is why were being told about the potential harm, aswell as the fact that benefits ARE to be made from the use of drugs.
finally what is drugs? what is their definition?
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Peace magi and all. Excellent post. I think we should just be very careful with medicine and drugs. Some people can have a smoke of weed and get irrational and intoxicated(same with alcohol,lsd etc..) while some get benefits from these substances. Alcohol can lead to car-crashes,violence etc..but also has medicinal and relaxant properties in some situations. So as in all things weigh up the benefits/risks and use your rationality to make an informed and responsible decision.
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hi enquirer,
in general, i'm against any intoxicant use too, especially when it risks other people's lives.
my husband smoked marijuana every once in a while (because he can't get it easily as it's illegal here in the US), it used to freak me out because i was so afraid that it would make him a drug addict or out of his mind and did something irrational. but, the more i learned about soft drug like marijuana, the more i understand that it's not as dangerous as people think. as a matter of fact, it's safer to your body than cigarettes are.
when he smoked marijuana, nothing really happened, he didn't turn violent or anything, he could still talk to me like normal.
he even used marijuana when he tried to quit smoking cigarettes, to get rid of the craving while the nicotine was still in his system. ever since, he doesn't smoke cigarettes anymore. -
Peace heart and all. Im interested in holland as a country. What are the people like? What kind of political system does it have? Are the people tolerant,friendly,liberal and/or spiritual? what is the infrastructure and surroundings like?What are the morals/norms of the society? How is the education and legal system? I know its hard to generalise,but a general idea? Sorry for soo many questions. Thanks.
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Peace heart and all. Im interested in holland as a country. What are the people like? What kind of political system does it have? Are the people tolerant,friendly,liberal and/or spiritual? what is the infrastructure and surroundings like?What are the morals/norms of the society? How is the education and legal system? I know its hard to generalise,but a general idea? Sorry for soo many questions. Thanks.
Peace.Salam Enquirer,
Wow, that are a lot of questions and I don't know if I can answer them all. I'll try to answer some of it.
People here in Holland are most of the time very friendly and tolerant. It's very multicultural, especially in the big cities. After 9/11, the murder of the Dutch film maker Theo van Gogh and death threats by radical muslims directed to Dutch politicians the Dutch people seem very fearfull of muslims. But what's new? Almost everybody who has little knowledge of Islam seems to fear this religion.
I don't know much about politics. Maybe you can get some information here http//www.peaktalk.com/archives/000249.php and http//www.llrx.com/features/dutch2.htm#Legal%20System.
The morals and norms of the Dutch society are (I'm answering this question with the help of a friend wink ) solidarity, equality, protection of discrimination, freedom of speech, religion and education. Like most countries... so I hope I got that right.
About the Dutch education system http//www.nhtv.nl/site/loader/loader.aspx?DOCUMENTID=989cebe3-6d54-4151-94fe-dd91f35a7ac0
I hope that I collected the needed information for you. My apologies for not answering all your questions.
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Peace heart.. I really appreciate that. Thanks. ) Sounds like an interesting place.
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I highly doubt the use of marijuana is forbidden. Marijuana does not at all cause remembrance of god to drift off. In fact it is quite the opposite. Marijuanais less dangerous than coffee or aspirin. It is more beneficial than harmful. I find it very hard to believe that cannabis is haram or even mukrooh (undesirable).
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Peace all,
I live in Amsterdam and as you may know Amsterdam/The Netherlands is well known for it's official policy of tolerating small-scale sales and personal possession of cannabis.
My question is very simple what does the Quran tell us about drugs? Is it prohibited?
My apologies for bringing up a subject that might already have been discussed. I have been searching this forum to find an answer to my question, but unfortunately I couldn't find an answer. Hope that you guys can help.
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Salam.
590 O you who believe, intoxicants, and gambling, and altars, and arrows of chance are tools of affliction used by the devil. You shall avoid him so that you may be successful.
Peace.
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hello all,
In my opinion ganja does no harm rather it does benifit in some way. too much of smoking does make u slow but its not addictive. U can leave it anytime. I had phobia of aduinece during presentation during my university life. Once I did a presentation while stoned..LOL damn it was a good presentation and since than my phobia went off. It did develop my interpersonal and public relation skills. But for sometime I got caught up with it and was smoking everyday...that time I became slow as I was having a frustrating time.
In my opinion..you have to know how to use it. Abusing anything might lead u to harming urself.
Another thing..I have asthma...and I noticed weed never caused any problem for me but tobacco instantly triggers my asthma..!!
just my 2 cents...
peace
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peace everyone
the evil men of the earth tell you drugs are cool through their tv,music,movies and make it illegal to benefit from the ones who sell it and press charges on them.
for those familiar with what is cocaine,the amounts that come in into countries are big,no scarface can do that,they need government support.
crack the cia,short film about drugs and the cia
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8xLd5YTYtE
so anyone who wants to escape from reality and look away from the problems of this world,go get high.
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I apologize in advance if a lot of what I say has already been said.
I wouldn't consider cannabis something relatively toxic to the user's health, so I don't know if I'd call it an "intoxicant". I've done a little research, and what I've found from a variety of mostly third-party studies, has already been stated what very little deficits there are, are completely outweighed by the benefits, smoking cannabis seems to be as unhealthy as something such as sitting too close to the TV. I've heard that, not only has cannabis been proven to encourage creative thinking, but can prevent mental disorders/deterioration, and has a chance of bolstering the user's immune system.
I don't think I would ever get into cigarettes, alcohol, or a variety of other intoxicants, but since I don't consider cannabis an intoxicant, I see little problem with indulging in it once in a while. I already engage in meditative techniques that produce a similar effect self-genereted as cannabis would, and from my research of The Message, I don't see any problems as of yet. Cannabis has been used in meditation and prayer among many peoples, providing very convincing examples that advocate such use such as that with the Rastafarian movement in Jamaica or Sufi Muslims in order to relax the body and mind and enhance lucidity, allowing the mind to expand, in a sort.
You can't just ignore whatever problems you may have, even if you try to ignore them, they'll always come back. I don't think getting high helps you ignore something else, if it's used at all, it should be used constructively, in prayer/meditation in a safe and controlled environment.