A quick excercise in logic
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Salaams Br,
i hope your worship is giving you the benefits you deserve.
you saidwhich we are commanded to do for Allah in the Quran .Where?
you saidsalat however does not mean worship but it includes worship ,show me in the quran please if you have the time.
Gods Blessings.
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salam br.
you saidwhich we are commanded to do for Allah in the Quran .Where?
take the first ayah for example "al hamd ulillahi rabb il aalameen"
you saidsalat however does not mean worship but it includes worship ,show me in the quran please if you have the time.
salat is established for Allah's remembrance/zikr . we do we recite during salat ? Quran the zikr, and when bowing and prostrating we say "subhaana rabbi/be glorified my lord" . doesnt it even remotely look like "worship" ?
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Salaams all,sal,
You said ?salat is established for Allah's remembrance/zikr? if salaat is indeed for remembereing Allah then me you are just wasting our time ,as me/you can remember Allah where ever we are and when and if we choose to ? whether your on everest or under the ocean or on the moon for that matter.?
Hence Salaat isn?t for remembering you could try seeing what on earth zikr means apart from remembering.
Admonition???
You again said "al hamd ulillahi rabb il aalameen" = The praise/ commendations/compliments (are) for Allah the cherisher and sustainer of the world.
And this to me is showing that we ought to respect and think highly of Allah-that is all. Its not commending us to worship anyone like the cristos /jews or any other faith , but if we want to that?s up to us ?and its not a command as such ? if it is show us where.
Islam ?to me? isn?t something to parrot away its practical and provides benefits to /for its adherents.
Lastly; if at any stage of our discussions you find my post offensive please just say so and we can call it a day.
Thanks.
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salam br.
You said ?salat is established for Allah's remembrance/zikr? if salaat is indeed for remembereing Allah then me you are just wasting our time ,as me/you can remember Allah where ever we are and when and if we choose to ? whether your on everest or under the ocean or on the moon for that matter.?
the verse commands to established the salat for God's remembrance , it doesnt say that every remembrance is the salat .
You again said "al hamd ulillahi rabb il aalameen" = The praise/ commendations/compliments (are) for Allah the cherisher and sustainer of the world.
And this to me is showing that we ought to respect and think highly of Allah-that is all. Its not commending us to worship anyone like the cristos /jews or any other faith , but if we want to that?s up to us ?and its not a command as such ? if it is show us where.
i did not say that we are commanded to "worship" . i said the salat can include worship . cuz when we say "al hamdu lillahi rabbil aalameen" ,saying this is indeed worship . and when we recite it in the salat , then salat includes worship .
Islam ?to me? isn?t something to parrot away its practical and provides benefits to /for its adherents.
"to me" too .
Lastly; if at any stage of our discussions you find my post offensive please just say so and we can call it a day.
Thanks.
no , no , no , not offensive at all . but we can call it a day anyway
thanks.
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Salaams sal,
you said
"the verse commands to established the salat for God's remembrance , it doesnt say that every remembrance is the salat . "
So every salat is for remembering?When you could remember him hundreds of times a day though?
"established the salat for God's remembrance"
so why the salat?
Salaams.
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salam .
"the verse commands to established the salat for God's remembrance , it doesnt say that every remembrance is the salat . "
So every salat is for remembering?When you could remember him hundreds of times a day though?
we can remember him hundred of times a day , but we should establish the salat ,a special salat at specefic timings .
"established the salat for God's remembrance"
so why the salat?
what do u mean "why"?
salam.
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Salaams sal,
its like eating a sweeti, you can have one anywhere anytime -just like you can remember Allah anywhere anytime.
Salaat is nothing about remembering its about admonishing/problem solving/finding the right way/the best way through discussions e.t.c
will you ever learn or investigate it rather then being a simple follower of manmade stuff?
God Bless.
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I've been looking at this thread, and it seems the participants are forgetting something. Because of this incessant dispute as to the exact definition of salat, perhaps we should be guided by the Koran, more precisely 37. When a verse is not clear, we are not to try to force our personal interpretation to it. We should try to look elsewhere in the Koran to give us clues to what God means... I am sure a logical mind that is not clouded by sectarian doctrine will be able to find it. So there is a challenge for all of you to follow, and I think if you follow God's instructions faithfully, you will all come to near the same conclusion. If not, then accept that everyone has the right to interpret the Koran for himself, but not the right to impose that interpretation on anyone. In the end none of us is the judge.
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salam br.
its like eating a sweeti, you can have one anywhere anytime -just like you can remember Allah anywhere anytime.
i dont know how u can say that. its is clearly stated that the salat is to be established at specefic timings .
Salaat is nothing about remembering its about admonishing/problem solving/finding the right way/the best way through discussions e.t.c
2014 Lo! I, even I, am Allah, There is no God save Me. So serve Me and establish the salat for My remembrance.
629 O ye who believe! When the call is heard for the salat of the day of congregation, haste unto remembrance of Allah and leave your trading. That is better for you if ye did but know.
will you ever learn or investigate it rather then being a simple follower of manmade stuff?
Quran is no manmade stuff )
GodBless.
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Salaams Br,
remembrance.! This is not right being used for the trans , should be more like admonition according to the dictionary.
For your other verse62.9,
http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4624&highlight=fridayI didn't mean the quran is manmade ,i was implying the 5x is the man made stuff - to me anyways.
And as we are going around circles on this issue - i think i will end it now.
Salaams.
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I do not see it as a 'ritual' and arguments for it being a ritual aren't compelling..
I still heavily lean towards taking it as 'commitment' as it explains a LOT Of verses which remained shrouded in mystery earlier with the salat=ritual definition.