Sex IS for PLEASURE
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2223 Your women are the bearers of your seed. Thus, you may enjoy this privilege however you like, so long as you maintain righteousness. You shall observe GOD, and know that you will meet Him. Give good news to the believers. (RH)
2187 Permitted for you is sexual intercourse with your wives during the nights of fasting. They are the keepers of your secrets, and you are the keepers of their secrets. GOD knew that you used to betray your souls, and He has redeemed you, and has pardoned you. Henceforth, you may have intercourse with them, seeking what GOD has permitted for you. You may eat and drink until the white thread of light becomes distinguishable from the dark thread of night at dawn. Then, you shall fast until sunset. Sexual intercourse is prohibited if you decide to retreat to the masjid (during the last ten days of Ramadan). These are GOD's laws; you shall not transgress them. GOD thus clarifies His revelations for the people, that they may attain salvation. (RH)
Good TurkishMan, no where does it say sex is for procreation only wink
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Peace
Lets call it REPRODUCTION with pleasure. roll or t he way around PLEASURE with reproduction.Does it make any difference ? Not Really shock
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Peace
Lets call it REPRODUCTION with pleasure. roll or t he way around PLEASURE with reproduction.
Does it make any difference ? Not Really shockBut my argument on this thread TurkishMan is that we have reached a certain stage in our development as human species that there is ONLY PLEASURE in SEX. The REPRODUCTION become secondary and even then a matter of choice for individuals - what say you TurkishMan?
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I disagree with your idea because procreation is necessary to continue having people living on an earth that can support them. Beautiful young lovlies with ripe bodies are great choices for us males and that's what we like. I personally do not want to have children for my own reasons.
Joe
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Peace Dr. LoteTree,
Oh please Claurianta not for show. That will be a killer!!! In fact it will be like hell in heaven if they are only for show -(
What so bad about sex anyway?
Regards,
Think about the cartoon in which Muhammad was supposedly telling the martyrs (suicide bombers), "Stop stop, we ran out of virgins". Think about the reaction of the martyrs. That must be a killer for them.
Your reaction is similar. "Oh please Claurianta not for show. That will be a killer!!!"
How about this?
"Stop stop LoteTree, they are only for show! You can't have sex with them!"Anwar Azim
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Hello Nabi,
Peace Lote
I disagree with your idea because procreation is necessary to continue having people living on an earth that can support them.That is so but that is not my argument. My argument is that PRIMARY use of sex NOW is for PLEASURE. REPRODUCTION has become secondary and even that is a matter of choice now...
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Hello Anwar,
Long time no see?
And Dr. LoteTree? How did that happen?
Now now Anwar, don't put me on a high pedastal that even you can't reach? I might just enjoy looking down on you wink
Just kiddin -)Think about the cartoon in which Muhammad was supposedly telling the martyrs (suicide bombers), "Stop stop, we ran out of virgins". Think about the reaction of the martyrs. That must be a killer for them.
Your reaction is similar. "Oh please Claurianta not for show. That will be a killer!!!"
That is why the Cartoon is very funny D
How about this?
"Stop stop LoteTree, they are only for show! You can't have sex with them!"Knowing my luck probably there will be sign up in heaven with that -(
I suppose I will have to go with "Look but not touch"...it will be hard. In fact it will be very hard-(
But I guess looking is fine -( ...yes I can live with it perhaps after a looooooooooooooong agony wink -)Regards,
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Thats quite a possibility, I'd say. The book, I understand has been partly translated by and to suit the westerners.
I will check up on that.
Temple prostitutes was common in India too.....I dunno what the greek one is but here a young girl was selected and was forcibly married to the hindu God(idol). Once she is married to the God(she becomes God's property), its meant that any man from that village had access to her sexually....... in other words a 'holy' prostitute. roll
Yes Greek temple prostitues had similiar role.
I am not denying they celebrated sex........but they did more than celebrate sex. And it was all about pleasing the men.
Yes it was about pleasing men but that was the case for all women in the start of the Oikemene era.
The women were trained to seduce men and please them.
They got pleasure too wink
There were wives, courtesans and so on..O, and the women celebrated 'sex' amongst themselves too.
Yes. Sex Research has shown that upto 70% of women have some bisexual tendency.
There was public nudity, group sex, public sex, bestiality, swinging, homosexuality(not restricted to people born with that orientation but practised at large) etc The richer u were the more women u had access to and so on.......Women were primarily sex objects.
Unfortunately that was the case for all women in the Oikemen period.
I dont think its a good idea to give specific examples in a public forum.(just do a google image search of the word 'khajuraho'. That should give a general idea. khajuraho is a temple town in Madhya Pradesh of India. But should warn u, these sculptures are pornographic in nature.)
Its ok I have seen them all wink
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Hello All,
I have heard people say that the primary use of sex is REPRODUCTION. I want to argue the case that we have reached a certain stage in our development as species that this is no longer the case. The primary function of sex is now is for pleasure. The REPRODUCTION function has become secondary and even then that has become a matter of choice.
Humanity as a species may have been driven by principles of Darwinian Natural Selection in the past but we have reached a stage where Darwinian Reproductive urge no longer is in control. But we are now in control. We are in a sense living in a Anti-Darwinian world and in this world sex is for pleasure and nothing to do it REPRODUCTION.
As for me I think Sex is one of the amazing thing you can share between two people. Sex is fantastic. Through consensual Sex I have felt a connection and a closeness that is more akin to a connection that you can develop intellectually with another individual. I also felt joy, satisfaction, contentment, fulfilment, peace and also a very good night's sleep!! wink
So sex is good. It relieves tension. It is amazing. And yes SEX IS FOR PLEASURE.
I guess for the young'en's on this forum this thread is probably not for you because you have to experience sex before you will know how good it is wink
Sex is good but please don't rush out and impregnate the first girl you find. Practice safe sex OK!!! -) or no sex at all and wait till you are married ok chaps and chapess -)
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What evolutionary theory actually says is that the pleasure of sex is an adaptation for procreation.
Why is sex pleasurable and why do we humans go out of our way to have sex ? An evolutionary psychologist might respond that sex is pleasurable because the pleasure we experience is one of natures tricks to insure that we reproduce. What better way is there to guarantee reproduction than to make the very acts and behavior of reproduction rewarding and pleasurable? According to this line of thought, the phenomenal experience of enjoyment and pleasure in sex is the proximal evolutionary mechanism to achieve the distal evolutionary goal of guaranteeing reproduction. We humans are soft wired to follow the proximal goal of pleasure regardless of the distal goal of reproduction.
http//psych-www.colorado.edu/hgss/hgsschapters/HGSS_Chapter15So, your assertion seems to be senseless.
Furthemore, I Think this kind of topic may be hurting for the unmarried readers who are striving to avoid sexual relations.
Peace
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Humanity as a species may have been driven by principles of Darwinian Natural Selection in the past but we have reached a stage where Darwinian Reproductive urge no longer is in control. But we are now in control. We are in a sense living in a Anti-Darwinian world and in this world sex is for pleasure and nothing to do it REPRODUCTION.
The above sentence according to science is total rubbish D. Knowledgeable ignorance !
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Humanity as a species may have been driven by principles of Darwinian Natural Selection in the past but we have reached a stage where Darwinian Reproductive urge no longer is in control. But we are now in control. We are in a sense living in a Anti-Darwinian world and in this world sex is for pleasure and nothing to do it REPRODUCTION.
The above sentence according to science is total rubbish . Knowledgeable ignorance !
I would rather have said something like this
"We must increase our awareness of the forces (impulses, emotions...) that are driving our behaviors, so as to be able to understand and then to master them, in order to act less like an animal and more like a human being." -
Peace all
3021 And from His signs is that He created for you partners from yourselves that you may have tranquility with them, and He placed between you affection and mercy. In that are signs for a people who reflect.
2222 And they ask you about menstruation? Say "It is harmful, so retire yourselves sexually from the women during the menstruation, and do not approach them until they are cleansed. When they are cleansed, then you may approach them as God has commanded you." God loves the repenters and He loves the cleansed.
2224 Your women are a plantation for you you. So come to your plantation however you both wish and make some preparations for yourselves. And be aware of God and know that you will meet Him, and give good news to the believers.
2187 It has been made lawful for you during the night of fasting to approach your women sexually. They are a garment for you and you are a garment for them. God knows that you used to betray your souls so He has accepted your repentance, and forgiven you; now you may approach them and seek what God has written for you. And you may eat and drink until the white thread is distinct from the black thread of dawn; then you shall complete the fast until night; and do not approach them while you are devoted in the temples. These are God's boundaries, so do not transgress them. It is thus that God makes His revelations clear to the people that they may be righteous.
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What evolutionary theory actually says is that the pleasure of sex is an adaptation for procreation.
Yes that may be so but the PROCREATION is a matter of choice now. Darwinian Reproductive urge is no longer in control but we are.
An evolutionary psychologist might respond that sex is pleasurable because the pleasure we experience is one of nature?s tricks to insure that we reproduce.
Yes those evolutionary trick no longer works because we are in control of REPRODUCTION. So my argument goes the PRIMARY use of SEX now is for PLEASURE.
According to this line of thought, the phenomenal experience of enjoyment and pleasure in sex is the proximal evolutionary mechanism to achieve the distal evolutionary goal of guaranteeing reproduction.
Yes but we don't reproduce anymore because of the evolutionary goal. We have control over our REPRODUCTION and hence primary use of sex is for pleasure. We are living in an Anti-Darwinian world. We are no longer driven by Darwinian Animal instincts. The Human Species have evolved to become a exceptional Animal where we are working against evolutionary natural selection.
So, your assertion seems to be senseless.
My assertion stands that we are living in an Anti-Darwinian World where we are now in control of our REPRODUCTION.
Furthemore, I Think this kind of topic may be hurting for the unmarried readers who are striving to avoid sexual relations.
Sorry to hurt your feelings. But do not be afraid to discuss these kinds of issues. No one here is advocating Sodom and Gomorrah type of sexual expression but sexual expression within monogamous and meaningful relationships...
People have said that PRIMARY FUNCTION of SEX is REPRODUCTION. I have just shown you that is no longer the case.
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Humanity as a species may have been driven by principles of Darwinian Natural Selection in the past but we have reached a stage where Darwinian Reproductive urge no longer is in control. But we are now in control. We are in a sense living in a Anti-Darwinian world and in this world sex is for pleasure and nothing to do it REPRODUCTION.
The above sentence according to science is total rubbish .
How so bmbmm please elaborate -)
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I would rather have said something like this
"We must increase our awareness of the forces (impulses, emotions...) that are driving our behaviors, so as to be able to understand and then to master them, in order to act less like an animal and more like a human being."Evolution drives us to behave like animals but we have evolved to become an exceptional species so much that we are working against Darwinian natural selection.
Regards,
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Humanity as a species may have been driven by principles of Darwinian Natural Selection in the past but we have reached a stage where Darwinian Reproductive urge no longer is in control. But we are now in control. We are in a sense living in a Anti-Darwinian world and in this world sex is for pleasure and nothing to do it REPRODUCTION.
How so bmbmm please elaborate -)
Regards,
So how do you think (scientifically) is humanity driven by natural selection? How does the nature select? If you start living in a gungle are you gona transform back to a monkey?
Peace
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What evolutionary theory actually says is that the pleasure of sex is an adaptation for procreation.
Yes that may be so but the PROCREATION is a matter of choice now. Darwinian Reproductive urge is no longer in control but we are.
What is " Darwinian Reproductive urge" ???
An evolutionary psychologist might respond that sex is pleasurable because the pleasure we experience is one of natures tricks to insure that we reproduce.
Yes those evolutionary trick no longer works because we are in control of REPRODUCTION.
Wrong, it still work !
Without the attraction for sexual pleasure, we would hardly engage in sexual intercourses.So my argument goes the PRIMARY use of SEX now is for PLEASURE.
Is your stance descriptive, or normative ?
I don't understand...According to this line of thought, the phenomenal experience of enjoyment and pleasure in sex is the proximal evolutionary mechanism to achieve the distal evolutionary goal of guaranteeing reproduction.
Yes but we don't reproduce anymore because of the evolutionary goal.
The evolutionary goal may not have been conscious.
One century ago, some human tribes did not known the link between sex and children. They did not know that children was the result of a sexual intercourse.We have control over our REPRODUCTION and hence primary use of sex is for pleasure. We are living in an Anti-Darwinian world. We are no longer driven by Darwinian Animal instincts.
You are not realizing how much instincts are driving us, even today...
Sexual attraction is one of these instincts.The Human Species have evolved to become a exceptional Animal where we are working against evolutionary natural selection.
It should, but there is lot to be done.
So, your assertion seems to be senseless.
My assertion stands that we are living in an Anti-Darwinian World where we are now in control of our REPRODUCTION.
What does "living in an anti-darwinian world" mean ?
Peace
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Peace idol-free and all. you make an interesting point. When my wife was in labour her breathing at one stage was mis-directed, and the mid-wife pointed this out to her and asked her to re-direct her breathing.This resulted in the delivery being achieved quicker(and probably less painful overall). I agree that pain can be reduced(though not eliminated) with meditation,knowledge etc..
I find the 'monks' story very interesting(was he a 'buddhist' practitioner?)
Any ideas,advice or stories on 'Pain relief' meditation?
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I would rather have said something like this
"We must increase our awareness of the forces (impulses, emotions...) that are driving our behaviors, so as to be able to understand and then to master them, in order to act less like an animal and more like a human being."Evolution drives us to behave like animals but we have evolved to become an exceptional species so much that we are working against Darwinian natural selection.
Regards,
So when was the soul given to you throughout your evolution? When start to pill a banana, when you started walking upright or when you started to know about beta-hymoglobin D