Armed Conflict, Violence, and the Quran
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The majority of people who talk about violent verses of the Qur'an are rampant Islamophobes with an agenda behind them, they don't listen to reason or logic because their mind is already made up, and they resort to the same tactics of posting verses out of context no matter how much you explain it to them, they even go so far as to claim context doesn't matter which is ridiculous. The whole, Robert Spencer, Jihadwatch, Geert Wilders crowd, it should just be ignored, intelligent people will seek answers from both sides, bigots with their minds made up will never listen.
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The majority of people who talk about violent verses of the Qur'an are rampant Islamophobes with an agenda behind them, they don't listen to reason or logic because their mind is already made up, and they resort to the same tactics of posting verses out of context no matter how much you explain it to them, they even go so far as to claim context doesn't matter which is ridiculous. The whole, Robert Spencer, Jihadwatch, Geert Wilders crowd, it should just be ignored, intelligent people will seek answers from both sides, bigots with their minds made up will never listen.
Good point. This is why they try to delegitimize us because our Islam is harder to criticize. But then again the Islam that is dominant is an Islam that abroagted the concept of defensive war and replace it with offensive war and abrogated the freedom verses and replaced them with apostasy law. They then abrogated the eye for an eye law of proportional justice to an eye for an eye lash disporportionate jutice. They then abrogated the universal definition of who is a Muslim to a sectarian one.
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I know that this is from 2006, but for the record...
I think the author of that article laid out the case better than I could, but in response to your question, doesn't the fact that there exist "Koranic rules for fighting" prove that it endorses violence?
474 "So, if you encounter those who have rejected, then strike their neck until you capture them..."
Sure sounds violent to me.
Peace,
oneway.The fact that there ARE rules (strict ones, at that) for warfare shows that God/the Quran does not endorse fighting as a good measure to end conflict. It is a last measure against those that are violent - against whom words will not work.
Context
471 Those who rejected and repelled from the path of God, He will mislead their works.
Also
Shabbir Ahmed - End Note 4 (474)
837, 3840. Free the captives as an act of kindness or ransom, such as in exchange for your men in their captivity. There is no third option. Fadharb ar-riqaab is usually rendered as 'smite their necks.' A little contemplation, however, makes it plain that in a battle of swords and arrows no commander would order his soldiers to aim for the necks alone. Therefore, the stated term has been used idiomatically, indicating knocking out the command centers. It is interesting to note that even in today's encounters with high technology this principle is given a top priorityEdip-Layth - End Note 1 (474)
The expression "darb al riqab" is traditionally translated as "smite their necks." We preferred to translate it as "strike the control center." The Quran uses the word "unuq" for neck (1713,29; 812; 3433; 3833; 135; 264; 368; 4071). The root RaQaBa means observe, guard, control, respect, wait for, tie by the neck, warn, fear. "Riqab" means slave, prisoner of war, since they are controlled or guarded. Even if one of the meanings of the word riqab were neck, we would still reject the traditional translation, for the obvious reason The verse continues by instructing muslims regarding the capture of the enemies and the treatment of prisoners of war. If they were supposed to be beheaded, there would not be a need for an instruction regarding captives, which is a very humanitarian instruction. Unfortunately, the Sunni and Shiite terrorists have used the traditional mistranslation, and abused it further by beheading hostages in their fight against their counterpart terrorists, Crusaders and their allied coalition, who torture and kill innocent people in even bigger numbers, yet in a baptized fashion that is somehow depicted as non-barbaric by their culture and media. The Quran gives two options regarding the hostages or prisoners of war before the war ends (1) set them free; or (2) release them to get a fee for their unjustified aggression. Considering the context of the verse and emphasis on capturing the enemy, we could have translated the segment under discussion as, "aim to take captives." The Old Testament contains many scenes of beheadings and grotesque massacres. For instance, see 2 Samuel 47-12; 2 Kings 107, and 2 Chronicles 2512. -
The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.
Unlike nearly all of the Old Testament verses of violence, the verses of violence in the Quran are mostly open-ended, meaning that they are not restrained by the historical context of the surrounding text. They are part of the eternal, unchanging word of Allah, and just as relevant or subjective as anything else in the Quran.
The context of violent passages is more ambiguous than might be expected of a perfect book from a loving God, however this can work both ways. Most of today's Muslims exercise a personal choice to interpret their holy book's call to arms according to their own moral preconceptions about justifiable violence. Apologists cater to their preferences with tenuous arguments that gloss over historical fact and generally do not stand up to scrutiny. Still, it is important to note that the problem is not bad people, but bad ideology.
Thanks!
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Peace,
The warfare in Quran is purely to stand up for your rights. If the quranic verses seem barbaric, then the verses are usually misinterpreted, like people earlier in this thread have already told.
The Quran is also telling us that we can emigrate and that the Earth is spacious.
I do not find the verses any strange as long as you do not take them out of context. The most common colorful slaughter-verse is entirely dependant on the surrounding context. With the whole surah in mind the verse is not so bad.
And if someone yields, muslims should not kill them. Prisoners may be taken just for strategical reasons (such as the yielding person may return to the enemy and fight again next time). I think prisoners should be treated with decency, they are just ignorant and misled.
In other words, I do not understand the war god feelings you have about God.
God bless you
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No, those who blame the Qur'an for "violence", would like that the Qur'an would have supported cowardice and surrender of the defenceless for the sake of coward non violence and for the sake of the benefit of those devoid of scrupels. Of course if you want to kill and maim and rob and do as a god with people and someone comes up oposing that and does not recoil at violence and risk, then, that of course if very inconvenient for the ruthless robber and murderer that would like the others NEVER, under no circumstance, to defend themselves or the defenceless by the means they can get.
Of course, for those bigots, doubletalkers, "meek ones" the Qur'an should condone cowardice and treachery, but not standing up by the means at their disposal against opression, tyrany, falsehood and murder.
Their falsehood and interests are clear.
That is the whole trouble with the Qur'an for those hypocrites the Qur'an does not condone cowardice nor disguises it as meekness or non violence.
Long live courage, and long live the truth and the divine protection.
Salaam
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The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.
Unlike nearly all of the Old Testament verses of violence, the verses of violence in the Quran are mostly open-ended, meaning that they are not restrained by the historical context of the surrounding text. They are part of the eternal, unchanging word of Allah, and just as relevant or subjective as anything else in the Quran.
The context of violent passages is more ambiguous than might be expected of a perfect book from a loving God, however this can work both ways. Most of today's Muslims exercise a personal choice to interpret their holy book's call to arms according to their own moral preconceptions about justifiable violence. Apologists cater to their preferences with tenuous arguments that gloss over historical fact and generally do not stand up to scrutiny. Still, it is important to note that the problem is not bad people, but bad ideology.
Thanks!
Learn Quran OnlineThe Quran only recognizes defensive war.
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Bu there a few verses which somewhat bother me, can you explain the following
95 So when the restricted months have passed, then you may kill the polytheists wherever you find them, and take them, and surround them, and stand against them at every point. If they repent, and they hold the contact prayer, and they contribute towards purification, then you shall leave them alone. God is Forgiving, Merciful.
911 If they repent, and they hold the contact prayer, and they contribute towards purification, then they are your brothers in the system. We explain the revelations for a people who know.
839 And fight them all until there is no more oppression, and the entire system/religion is for God. But if they cease, then God is Seer over what they do.
The above verses seem to go against what the Koran says in general. I'd be glad if someone could explain them....
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Give us some nonviolent ways to stand up against the following
- Mass murder, brutal physical and mental torture for those who wanted to believe that there is only one god and that they won't worship millions of fake deities.
- Getting boycotted by all locals which then leads to hunger and poverty
- Fleeing country to avoid persecution, but then a time comes when the local government sends letter to the country of refuge compelling its government to send them back.
If you wish to know why the "violent verses" came have a look at what Saudi people did to new Muslims at the time including Prophet Muhammad.
http//www.loonwatch.com/2012/03/when-they-almost-killed-muhammad-the-persecution-of-islams-earliest-followers/ -
I recommend
http//www.tolueislam.org/Parwez/ICR/ICR_16.htm
http//www.misconceptions-about-islam.com/fighting-war-terrorism.htm
http//misconceptions-about-islam.com/jihad-holy-war.htmAnd if you want to read in detail about those chapter 9 verses
http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/disproved_traditional_salat.htm -
hi Arnold Yasin
u say To avoid the moral and intellectual problems
who is it
maybe i see thingAmong His signs is that He created for you spouses from among yourselves, in order to have tranquility and contentment with each other. He places in your heart love and care towards your spouses. In this, there are signs for people who think." (3021)
Obviously, this mixed messages have bothered many contemporary translators of the Quran. To avoid the moral and intellectual problems, they tried to soften the word "beat" when they translate the verse 434. For instance, Yusuf Ali uses a merciful parentheses after "beat" to save women -
divine is for religion cos google mean of, from, or like God or a god
god not real -
https//topicsfromquran.wordpress.com/2018/03/30/non-physical-fighting-1/
I believe since Islam means 'Peace', the fighting verses are mostly meant to non physical fighting and the main non physical fight should be with those who have war mongering tendencies, who wage war in the name of Holy War. The above link to the post analyses some of the fighting verses in Quran. More to follow analyzing still more fighting verses.
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https//topicsfromquran.wordpress.com/2018/03/30/non-physical-fighting-1/
I believe since Islam means 'Peace', the fighting verses are mostly meant to non physical fighting and the main non physical fight should be with those who have war mongering tendencies, who wage war in the name of Holy War. The above link to the post analyses some of the fighting verses in Quran. More to follow analyzing still more fighting verses.
We must check the verses before & after of the self defense verses. Otherwise people will claim of "murder" and "terrorism". Context is extremely important.
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You can also see
http//www.misconceptions-about-islam.com/islam-clash-of-civilisations.htm
http//www.misconceptions-about-islam.com/fighting-war-terrorism.htm
http//www.misconceptions-about-islam.com/suicide-bombing.htm
http//www.misconceptions-about-islam.com/jihad-holy-war.htm
