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Peace "idolfree".
Certainly. God bless you as well.
JK- Ok then. Do we need to do something or can you just srtrt off? Reharding I Ching i found http//www.facade.com/iching/ and entered my name there. I tried many times and found various readings, all somewhat +ve but different in style. Seems like cold readings. Cannot find anything significant. GOD Bless!
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Peace "idolfree",
http//www.randi.org/jr/112301.html
The James Randi Education Foundation has included I Ching and other divination on the challenge list. If it were true somebody would have already claimed the million dollars. They do these experiments under controlled conditions. I havent found anything on Metu Neter there but you could claim a million dollars if you succeed in such a reading. GOD Bless! -
Peace be upon you JK,
JK- Ok then. Do we need to do something or can you just srtrt off?
You can do I ching yourself. I will help you with the interpretation. But first, what is your question? What do you want to know about?
Reharding I Ching i found http//www.facade.com/iching/ and entered my name there. I tried many times and found various readings, all somewhat +ve but different in style. Seems like cold readings. Cannot find anything significant. GOD Bless!
Forget that , just get three pennies and we can start.
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Peace be upon you JK,
The James Randi Education Foundation has included I Ching and other divination on the challenge list. If it were true somebody would have already claimed the million dollars. They do these experiments under controlled conditions. I havent found anything on Metu Neter there but you could claim a million dollars if you succeed in such a reading. GOD Bless!
I will not waste my time with that foolishness. That would be like a sunni offering 1 million dollars to prove hadith should not be followed. Do you realize they would never pay that? So lets keep the same criteria for this. There is a lot of foolishness that you can find, but you have to dig deep for the true essence, have you not found that to be true? I have dug deep.
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Peace "idolfree",
I will not waste my time with that foolishness. That would be like a sunni offering 1 million dollars to prove hadith should not be followed. Do you realize they would never pay that? So lets keep the same criteria for this. There is a lot of foolishness that you can find, but you have to dig deep for the true essence, have you not found that to be true? I have dug deep.
JK- I dont think the JREF is foolish.. At first i did but then i realized that they have nothing to loose. What is their motif of not wanting people to believe in Ching or other paranormal stuff? No, rather the JREF, lead by James Randi. is a group of common people like me and you whos fedup of charlatans getting away with other peoples money. Remember "Peter Popoff" who claimed to heal people in the name of Jesus. He knew their names in the audience, their address, etc while picking apparently at random. Later it was found he had a wireless receiver through which his wife was communicating with him and telling him all the names etc from cards which certain guests had enetered befoetime. The JREF exposed them finally. Similarly is the cae with Uri Geller who claims to have paranormal powers. JR was able to perform all of that stuff. Homeopathy is yet another fraud. Why dont the big company bosses show the world once and for all that their medicine works by simply allowing tests to be performed under controlled conditions? GOD Bless!
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Peace be upon you JK,
I dont think the JREF is foolish.. At first i did but then i realized that they have nothing to loose. What is their motif of not wanting people to believe in Ching or other paranormal stuff? No, rather the JREF, lead by James Randi. is a group of common people like me and you whos fedup of charlatans getting away with other peoples money. Remember "Peter Popoff" who claimed to heal people in the name of Jesus. He knew their names in the audience, their address, etc while picking apparently at random. Later it was found he had a wireless receiver through which his wife was communicating with him and telling him all the names etc from cards which certain guests had enetered befoetime. The JREF exposed them finally. Similarly is the cae with Uri Geller who claims to have paranormal powers. JR was able to perform all of that stuff.
Sure there are many charlatans out there, but all this does is make them hard against the truth. For example, if you took to them your philosophy of "19", do you think you would get 1 million dollars?
Homeopathy is yet another fraud.
A Fraud? What do you call the flu vaccine? Is that not Homeopathy?
Why dont the big company bosses show the world once and for all that their medicine works by simply allowing tests to be performed under controlled conditions? GOD Bless!
Too much money to lose.
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Peace be upon you,
Would three 2 or 1 Euro Cents do? GOD Bless!
Sure. So what do you want to find out about? Job, spouse, etc?
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Peace "idolfree",
Peace be upon you,
Would three 2 or 1 Euro Cents do? GOD Bless!
Sure. So what do you want to find out about? Job, spouse, etc?
JK- What will happen to me in the near future? Should be a particular incident. Did i pass my university exams which are not yet out? GOD Bless!
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Peace "idolfree".
Sure there are many charlatans out there, but all this does is make them hard against the truth. For example, if you took to them your philosophy of "19", do you think you would get 1 million dollars?
JK- code 19 is nothing paranormal so it wouldnt fall under that category and is not part of the challenge. However at this point id like to say that Martin Gardener, the famous mathematician JREF refers to, called the xples of the four words in the Bismillah being xples of nineteen as ingenius.
A Fraud? What do you call the flu vaccine? Is that not Homeopathy?
JK- Vaccination has nothing to do with homeopathy. Vaccination is the process of administering live, albeit weakened, microbes to patients, with the intent of conferring immunity against a targeted form of a related disease agent.
Homeopathy is the systematic dilution of a dosage, along with succussion or shaking, to a point where the original ingredient is not present anymore at all.
Check out wikipedia for more info on the differences btw these two.Too much money to lose.
JK- Do you know what JR is merely asking for? HES ONLY ASKING THEM TO SHOW THE DIFFERENCE BTW HOMEOPATHISED AND NORMAL WATER "JUST SORT THEM OUT AND THEY WIN" HE CLAIMS. It acnt get anymore easy than that. So this means theres no proof and they dont care. This shows exactly that they are insincere. GOD Bless!
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Peace brother idolfree,
344 This is from the news of the unseen that We inspire to you. You were not with them when they drew straws as to which one of them will be charged with Mary; you were not with them when they disputed.
This verse does not sanction drawing straws. It merely tells us what they did. The dispute could have been even after they drew straws.
590 O you who believe, intoxicants, and gambling, and altars, and arrows of chance are tools of affliction used by the devil. You shall avoid them so that you may be successful.
In this verse Allah clearly tells us to avoid "arrows of chance", and calls them tools of affliction used by the devil.
726 "And there were men from among mankind who used to seek help from the men among the Jinn, but they only helped increase them in sin."
727 "And they thought as you thought, that God would not send anyone."
728 "And we touched the heavens, but found it full of powerful guards and projectiles."
729 "And we used to sit in it in places of listening, but anyone who sits now finds a projectile seeking him."
7210 "And we do not know, is it bad that is intended for those on Earth, or does their Lord want them to be guided?"In my understanding, according to these verses, the jinn used to sit in "places of listening" in "the heavens", trying to find out what was intended for those on earth. I think the jinn were able to eavesdrop on the conversations between the angels about orders received from The God to perform certain actions intended for certain humans on earth, and by listening to that, these jinn would also find out some things about to happen to someone on earth. The jinn however were not able to tell if what they found intended for someone on earth was really good or bad for them.
The men among mankind used to seek help from the men among the jinn asking them about the things the jinn listened to intended for humans on earth but it only increased their sin, so what they were doing was sinful.
The so called psychics work in a similar fashion. These psychics have jinn friends who the psychics refer to as "my spirit friends", and these jinn friends tell them about "what they listened to in the heavens" intended for certain humans.
When the arrows of chance or the coins are thrown, it is a tool of affliction of the devil. The devil is called on when one does that, and the devil causes these coins or arrows to come out in a certain fashion, and then one goes "wow it works !". But this is an abomination and makes one sinful, because instead of calling on The God, one is calling on the jinn or the devil. We can ONLY call on The God.
The ancient pagans used to call on similar "energies" in the past, and subsequently gave these energies different names and made them into gods and goddesses.
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Peace be upon you JK,
JK- What will happen to me in the near future? Should be a particular incident. Did i pass my university exams which are not yet out? GOD Bless!
No, you are not not understanding. This is not fortune telling.
Some of the basic questions are
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Please comment on my relationship
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What is my incarnation objective (life lesson)
Etc
This is not like "what are the winning lottery numbers tonight".
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Peace be upon you Tanveer,
344 This is from the news of the unseen that We inspire to you. You were not with them when they drew straws as to which one of them will be charged with Mary; you were not with them when they disputed.
This verse does not sanction drawing straws. It merely tells us what they did. The dispute could have been even after they drew straws.
Tanveer, is verse 344 a meaningles verse carrying no wisdom for guidance of mankind?
590 O you who believe, intoxicants, and gambling, and altars, and arrows of chance are tools of affliction used by the devil. You shall avoid them so that you may be successful.
In this verse Allah clearly tells us to avoid "arrows of chance", and calls them tools of affliction used by the devil.
I need to make sure the translations are correct as I am sure they have not been looked into thoroughly. If they are correct then this speaks of Arrows, not cards nor coins. Why would only arrows be mentioned?
726 "And there were men from among mankind who used to seek help from the men among the Jinn, but they only helped increase them in sin."
727 "And they thought as you thought, that God would not send anyone."
728 "And we touched the heavens, but found it full of powerful guards and projectiles."
729 "And we used to sit in it in places of listening, but anyone who sits now finds a projectile seeking him."
7210 "And we do not know, is it bad that is intended for those on Earth, or does their Lord want them to be guided?"In my understanding, according to these verses, the jinn used to sit in "places of listening" in "the heavens", trying to find out what was intended for those on earth. I think the jinn were able to eavesdrop on the conversations between the angels about orders received from The God to perform certain actions intended for certain humans on earth, and by listening to that, these jinn would also find out some things about to happen to someone on earth. The jinn however were not able to tell if what they found intended for someone on earth was really good or bad for them.
I do not agree with jinn as some creature, they are the thoughts/fantasies of man. So I cannot follow that line of reasoning.
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Peace be upon you,
Tanveer, I forgot to address the last part where you stated it was "the devil" who makes the coins and sucgh turn out the way they do.
Who is this "devil" you are referring to?
Also, what is your position on the verse where the GOD sates "It is not you who threw but WE threw"? Is that still the "devil"?
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Peace "idolfree",
No, you are not not understanding. This is not fortune telling.
Some of the basic questions are
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Please comment on my relationship
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What is my incarnation objective (life lesson)
Etc
This is not like "what are the winning lottery numbers tonight".
JK- In that case the 2nd qs you mentioned. GOD Bless!
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Peace brother Kyle,
is verse 344 a meaningles verse carrying no wisdom for guidance of mankind?
Do you think that in this verse The God is sanctioning drawing straws when there is a dispute ? or He is just telling us what the people did ? Is telling us what some people did in the past same as sanctioning that act ? Drawing straws is finding something out the same way as arrows of chance or throwing coins or using cards. For example, Yusuf Ali translates this verse as
YUSUFALI This is part of the tidings of the things unseen, which We reveal unto thee (O Messenger!) by inspiration Thou wast not with them when they cast lots with arrows, as to which of them should be charged with the care of Mary Nor wast thou with them when they disputed (the point).
I need to make sure the translations are correct as I am sure they have not been looked into thoroughly. If they are correct then this speaks of Arrows, not cards nor coins. Why would only arrows be mentioned?
Throwing arrows is same as throwing coins or drawing straws or cards.
I do not agree with jinn as some creature, they are the thoughts/fantasies of man. So I cannot follow that line of reasoning.
Then what is your understanding of 726-10, especially "the men among the jinn" and them talking about sitting in heavens in places of listening ?
I forgot to address the last part where you stated it was "the devil" who makes the coins and sucgh turn out the way they do.
Who is this "devil" you are referring to?
In my understanding The devil is Iblees who was of the jinn.
Also, what is your position on the verse where the GOD sates "It is not you who threw but WE threw"? Is that still the "devil"?
I could not find the verse; can you please quote which verse it is ?
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Peace be upon you Johnny K,
I am back. Please respond when you are available. Have three coins available and a clean space.
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Peace be upon you,
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is verse 344 a meaningles verse carrying no wisdom for guidance of mankind?Do you think that in this verse The God is sanctioning drawing straws when there is a dispute ?
The next verse starts with "WHEN...", meaning the argument is about the next verse.
or He is just telling us what the people did ? Is telling us what some people did in the past same as sanctioning that act ?
This is my question to you, what is the PURPOSE of us being told about someone using divination as if it is normal? All verses contain guidance, what is the guidance you recieve from this verse?
Drawing straws is finding something out the same way as arrows of chance or throwing coins or using cards. For example, Yusuf Ali translates this verse as
YUSUFALI This is part of the tidings of the things unseen, which We reveal unto thee (O Messenger!) by inspiration Thou wast not with them when they cast lots with arrows, as to which of them should be charged with the care of Mary Nor wast thou with them when they disputed (the point).
I wont stress this point, we can agree for now that its all about divination.
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I do not agree with jinn as some creature, they are the thoughts/fantasies of man. So I cannot follow that line of reasoning.Then what is your understanding of 726-10, especially "the men among the jinn" and them talking about sitting in heavens in places of listening ?
Jinn are thoughts/fantasies. Some peopkle seek help from FANTASY PEOPLE, like a ressurected Jesus, or even some kind of devil, Santa claus, or whatever.
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I forgot to address the last part where you stated it was "the devil" who makes the coins and sucgh turn out the way they do.Who is this "devil" you are referring to?
In my understanding The devil is Iblees who was of the jinn.
Yes, the concept of incorrect thoughts/fantasies. Anyone whose life is dictated by wrong thoughts and fantasies can be described as Iblis.
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Also, what is your position on the verse where the GOD sates "It is not you who threw but WE threw"? Is that still the "devil"?I could not find the verse; can you please quote which verse it is ?
Unfortunately I cannot get the search engine to work so I cant find it either at this time.
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Peace Everyone
I haven't visited the website as often as I used to, but I thought this post would be a cool one to begin my journey back to free-minds -)
I too use divination systems (the I Ching and I'm learning the Metu Neter) in order to gain a broader perspective of a particular choice or situation. From my knowledge of the qur'an, we are completely responsible for every choice we make in this life and in the hereafter. I use divination systems to gain a perspective-unbiased by my own "vain desires"-with the hopes of making better choices and beneficial plans (career, health, relationships, etc). I do agree that one's intuition is an excellent divinatory tool to tap into. I also testify that external divination tools such as the I Ching and Metu Neter help me recognize that little voice inside since, often times, the root intuition reflects what the I Ching says anyway. Sure, modern psychology would say that this particular phenomena is called "self fulfilling prophecy"...you know...you see what you wanna see. But then again, that's the whole point since the God is closer to us than our jugular vein. Or rather, in my heart, The God's intelligence experiences through our own consciousness as well as in the world.
I'm pretty much slow to knock anything until I try it. I must say that divination, in and of itself, has most definitely help me realize and tap into the omniscience of the creator that lies within and understand the dynamic world that lies without.
Peace.