Quran Alone?
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One the judgement day,,,Allah will not give the reslut of our deeds in right hand due to some hygene purposes.
Using separate hands for eating and bathroom is a different thing and using right hand specifically is a different thing.If it only has a function on Judgementday, why do you do it then? Hygenic issues, like you say, is a different thing, especialy when it lost its function through soap.
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One the judgement day,,,Allah will not give the reslut of our deeds in right hand due to some hygene purposes.
Using separate hands for eating and bathroom is a different thing and using right hand specifically is a different thing.If it only has a function on Judgementday, why do you do it then? Hygenic issues, like you say, is a different thing, especialy when it lost its function through soap.
Use of right hand means,,,,,we use right hand for eating,,,which is better,,,,at the same time it give us the hygene when left hand is used for washroom etc.
So hygene is not the only purpose,,,,,because in that case somebody says use left hand for eating and right for washroom....but no.....use of Right hand is also compulsory...
Now for the judgement day.....Why dont you thing that what was the need of mentioning the right hand again and agian????why not left hand? what is special in right hand that Allah will give good report in right hand????
Look that word "rightous" also...
VE
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Peace,
In almost every culture, does the right hand resemble strenght. As thus in my eyes, if you lived correctly, and you will get your record of good deeds in your right hand, thus metaphoricaly refering to the strength that was necessary to be righteous. That is also why the right, is always connected with righteous. As refering to the strength needed to be righteous.
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Peace,
In almost every culture, does the right hand resemble strenght. As thus in my eyes, if you lived correctly, and you will get your record of good deeds in your right hand, thus metaphoricaly refering to the strength that was necessary to be righteous. That is also why the right, is always connected with righteous. As refering to the strength needed to be righteous.
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You want to follow your culture? or Allah's Culture?
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You want to follow your culture? or Allah's Culture?Where do i say i follow any culture? I only give a fact that is seen over the whole world, in every culture. This is not limited to western or arab culture alone. And getting the record in your right or left hand, doesn't apply anything about eating habits or to use it in this life as a guideline. So you follow the path of conjecture, don't claim it is Allah's culture, as you don't a have any proof it is meant by that, you only have hearsay reports of 200 years old, which cannot to be proven to be from Muhammed. But follow what feels best for you, as it is meant with your best intentions, which counts the most.
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You want to follow your culture? or Allah's Culture?Where do i say i follow any culture? I only give a fact that is seen over the whole world, in every culture. This is not limited to western or arab culture alone. And getting the record in your right or left hand, doesn't apply anything about eating habits or to use it in this life as a guideline. So you follow the path of conjecture, don't claim it is Allah's culture, as you don't a have any proof it is meant by that, you only have hearsay reports of 200 years old, which cannot to be proven to be from Muhammed. But follow what feels best for you, as it is meant with your best intentions, which counts the most.
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Proof? Most of my explanations related to Ahadith, which you dont accept. So Game Over.
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But follow what feels best for you, as it is meant with your best intentions, which counts the most.That is called "Nafs". I dont follow my feels as I am limited and my Creator is Eternal.
I DONT NEED TO FOLLOW WHAT I THINK IS BEST FOR ME, BUT I NEED TO FOLLOW WHAT ALLAH AND HIS PROPHET TOLD.
And when I say, Allah AND his prophet then I mean it....Because it is the command of Allah, not my slefmade sentense.
And one more thing,,,we must distinguish as opposed to non-Believers,,,,And if you disagree then try to find the guidance from Quran.
VirtualEye.
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I already found it..............And finding more and more every day.........
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peace virtualeye and arnold yasin,
ve, i want you to scientifically describe allah if you think you are the best muslim among us? the thing with free-minds members is that we are REALISTIC rather than dogmatic and ignorant like most of the worldly sunni/shia/other sects gentiles. our approach to understand the quran is scientific, and resourceful. we follow what is right for us. we follow our brain to FIND what is right for us as well as guide our hearts closer to allah! we do not follow conjecture, like the most of the unrealistic hadiths. we are realistic and the hadith(as well as their followers) are not. so, get real and stay with god, learn about god. how do we learn about god when we don't really know who he is? we think we don't know him, but think again? stay with god, this is where the winners go. and who will intercede by god's leave? noone, not even our beloved prophet, those hadiths contradict the quran and imply that god is the president and mohammed and noone but mohammed could save us from the wrath of allah in judgement day(no support from the quran)that is a form of idol-worship. so i gave up the hadith COMPLETELY...
read verse 3945
or do you have a disease in your heart to not accept god alone!!!
most hadith, which you think are good ones are morally good and highly recommended! does that mean we accept them as an outside source beside the quran."Shall I seek other than God as a judge when He has sent down to you this Scripture fully detailed?" Those to whom We have given the Scripture know it is sent down from your Lord with truth; so do not be of those who have doubt."(6114) even if we feel that there is something mentioned in the hadith not in the quran then think again? they are either direct quotations from the quran or extra commands emphasised by tghe makers of hadiths which has no real relation to our beloved prophet whatsoever. do you still want to hold on to the hadith? or do you have a disease in your hearts?
following the hadith is o.k. if it helps you, but DO NOT SAY IT IS FROM GOD...
peace, rifat
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This is why we reject hadith as authority
7185 Have they not looked at the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all the things GOD has created? Does it ever occur to them that the end of their life may be near? Which Hadith, beside this, do they believe in?
12111 In their history, there is a lesson for those who possess intelligence. This is not fabricated Hadith; this (Quran) confirms all previous scriptures, provides the details of everything, and is a beacon and mercy for those who believe.
316 Among the people, there are those who uphold baseless Hadith, and thus divert others from the path of GOD without knowledge, and take it in vain. These have incurred a shameful retribution.
3923 GOD has revealed herein the best Hadith; a book that is consistent, and points out both ways (to Heaven and Hell). The skins of those who reverence their Lord cringe therefrom, then their skins and their hearts soften up for GOD's message. Such is GOD's guidance; He bestows it upon whoever wills (to be guided). As for those sent astray by GOD, nothing can guide them.
3929 GOD cites the example of a man who deals with disputing partners (Hadith), compared to a man who deals with only one consistent source (Quran). Are they the same? Praise be to GOD; most of them do not know.456 These are GOD's revelations that we recite to you truthfully. In which Hadith other than GOD and His revelations do they believe?
5234 Let them produce a Hadith like this, if they are truthful.
6844 Therefore, let Me deal with those who reject this Hadith; we will lead them on whence they never perceive.
7750 Which Hadith, other than this, do they uphold?
Peace be upon us all......................
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peace virtualeye and arnold yasin,
ve, i want you to scientifically describe allah if you think you are the best muslim among us? the thing with free-minds members is that we are REALISTIC rather than dogmatic and ignorant like most of the worldly sunni/shia/other sects gentiles. our approach to understand the quran is scientific, and resourceful. we follow what is right for us. we follow our brain to FIND what is right for us as well as guide our hearts closer to allah! we do not follow conjecture, like the most of the unrealistic hadiths. we are realistic and the hadith(as well as their followers) are not. so, get real and stay with god, learn about god. how do we learn about god when we don't really know who he is? we think we don't know him, but think again? stay with god, this is where the winners go. and who will intercede by god's leave? noone, not even our beloved prophet, those hadiths contradict the quran and imply that god is the president and mohammed and noone but mohammed could save us from the wrath of allah in judgement day(no support from the quran)that is a form of idol-worship. so i gave up the hadith COMPLETELY...
read verse 3945
or do you have a disease in your heart to not accept god alone!!!
most hadith, which you think are good ones are morally good and highly recommended! does that mean we accept them as an outside source beside the quran."Shall I seek other than God as a judge when He has sent down to you this Scripture fully detailed?" Those to whom We have given the Scripture know it is sent down from your Lord with truth; so do not be of those who have doubt."(6114) even if we feel that there is something mentioned in the hadith not in the quran then think again? they are either direct quotations from the quran or extra commands emphasised by tghe makers of hadiths which has no real relation to our beloved prophet whatsoever. do you still want to hold on to the hadith? or do you have a disease in your hearts?
following the hadith is o.k. if it helps you, but DO NOT SAY IT IS FROM GOD...
peace, rifat
You people are running more after science and logic.
To me Allah and his prophet is enough for guidance.
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This is why we reject hadith as authority
7185 Have they not looked at the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all the things GOD has created? Does it ever occur to them that the end of their life may be near? Which Hadith, beside this, do they believe in?
12111 In their history, there is a lesson for those who possess intelligence. This is not fabricated Hadith; this (Quran) confirms all previous scriptures, provides the details of everything, and is a beacon and mercy for those who believe.
316 Among the people, there are those who uphold baseless Hadith, and thus divert others from the path of GOD without knowledge, and take it in vain. These have incurred a shameful retribution.
3923 GOD has revealed herein the best Hadith; a book that is consistent, and points out both ways (to Heaven and Hell). The skins of those who reverence their Lord cringe therefrom, then their skins and their hearts soften up for GOD's message. Such is GOD's guidance; He bestows it upon whoever wills (to be guided). As for those sent astray by GOD, nothing can guide them.
3929 GOD cites the example of a man who deals with disputing partners (Hadith), compared to a man who deals with only one consistent source (Quran). Are they the same? Praise be to GOD; most of them do not know.456 These are GOD's revelations that we recite to you truthfully. In which Hadith other than GOD and His revelations do they believe?
5234 Let them produce a Hadith like this, if they are truthful.
6844 Therefore, let Me deal with those who reject this Hadith; we will lead them on whence they never perceive.
7750 Which Hadith, other than this, do they uphold?
Peace be upon us all......................
Who the hell told you that these verses were for Sunnis? Did any sunni and quran only concept there in Prophet's age?
These verses were for mushriks,,,,,purely mushriks.One more senario
If I apply these verses according to your ideology then
If prophet(SAW) asked some of his companion about to do something (like go somewhere or bring something).....And companion, saying that it is not in quran ,,He refused? Right??? And then companion gave references from these verses and said that I will not follow what you say,,,because what you are saying is not in quran and it additional to quran. Right???
For God sake, Dont put yourslef to the darkness.
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What is meant by this, is thus we must not let any law besides the Quran rule us for our Deen. And again, anything that falls not under the Quran's information, is for our own consensus, and we must decide and research on our own what is the best solution. If a good applyable solution is given in history that doesn't go against the Quran, then we can use it, but must not treat it as a fixed, eternal solution. As wisdom evolves through the ages. This is true progress, and this was the way of the first generations of the followers of the Quran.
So again your example is ignorant, as the Quran only forbids that its understanding is shackled(2530), that we must not follow any law besides it that is applied to our Deen(6114) and we must follow the best solution(391, and must not uphold information which cannot be varified(1736) and be carefull we don't step into the same trap as other people did. For anything outside of the Quran, we must consult on it in a democratic way(423. Your example shows your inability to think for yourself, as this is not meant with follow the Quran alone. This only applies to what you take as authority besides the Quran. Not to personal conduct of life. And then you say, that is exactly how i treat the hadith, as they're an extra help in my personal conduct in my life. The problem with that is, that you can't trust if the prophet really said it, plus you treat it as almost it is revelation, because you base your conduct purely on things that say; the prophet says....; and not on logic and searching knowledge.
If we must find a solution, it doesn't matter where it comes from. Just a label with; the prophet said..... Is not enough to make it the best, as this cannot be varified, as it was written down 100 years later, and must be treated the same as the gospels.
And most of those sayings reflect the knowledge of that age, plus mostly was motivated for personal gain. So most cannot be applied on this age.We must follow the prophet in that he used his brain, not what came out of it, especialy because we can't verify which parts of the recorded hearsay can be trusted. So we must treat it as any history, it must be studied, but not trusted.
4238 "And those who have responded to their Lord, and they hold the contact-method, and their affairs are conducted by mutual consultation among themselves, and from Our provisions to them they give."
"They are the ones who examine all words, then follow the best. These are the ones whom GOD has guided; these are the ones who possess intelligence." 3918
"And do not uphold what you have no knowledge of. For the hearing, eyesight, and mind, all these you are responsible for." 1736
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You people are running more after science and logic.
To me Allah and his prophet is enough for guidance.
2164 "Verily, in the creation of the heavens and the earth and in the alternation of the night and the day, and in the ships that sail the sea with that which profits men, and in the water which ALLAH sends down from the sky and quickens therewith the earth after its death and scatters therein all kinds of beasts, and in the change of the winds and the clouds pressed into service between the heaven and the earth - are indeed Signs for the people who use their understanding.
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Salaam all
when youre source material is 90% provable rubbish. And you go on to realease a collection with the last 10% of wich more than 80% is still a matter of debate, youre not being responsible. Youre a lending legitimacy to possible lies, wich is excactly what happened
Above is a simple statement which even the most ardent hadith believers accept yet they continue to believe in the Hadith as some sort of divine guidance, the logic of which completely escapes me.
Ok let us look at another way, If there were any contradictions (and I am aware of the debates on this and many other forums) or inaccuracies in the Quran then whole of the basis of Islam would fall apart.
Yet there are so many contradictions and simply sayings which are actually not true that even the hadith followers accept as such-yet they still argue oh yes but there are many hadith which are not contradictory or not true i.e this ridiculous notion of genuine hadith. A liar is a liar and not dependat on what percentage of lies he tells.The left hand, right debate just defies any sense over 75% of the population the left side of the brain is the dominant side hence their right hand is the dominant one. Therefore if you are right hand person try holding a water container in your left and iping your ar-- with right anf see what results you get, but in present age it is hardly an issue. Besides if you have only one hand or born with defective lright limb it does become problem/
Simple explanation of 456 and 77185 would be appreciated not who they are meant for.
If hadith were so important then why did we need Bukhari over 200 yrs after the completion of the Quran?
The best quote I have heard about hadith from a firend was that "they are great I can prove what ever I want because I can always find a hadith to back me up".
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If they were so important, why did they burn all the hadith collections in the first century? They couldn't find any wood? Because they were not meant to be recorded, the things the prophet said was only meant for the people he said it too, not for the generations after that. The Quran is enough for guidance.
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You people are running more after science and logic.
To me Allah and his prophet is enough for guidance.
2164 "Verily, in the creation of the heavens and the earth and in the alternation of the night and the day, and in the ships that sail the sea with that which profits men, and in the water which ALLAH sends down from the sky and quickens therewith the earth after its death and scatters therein all kinds of beasts, and in the change of the winds and the clouds pressed into service between the heaven and the earth - are indeed Signs for the people who use their understanding.
are indeed Signs for the people who use their understanding.
who use their understanding,,,then after they look for science....
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who use their understanding,,,then after they look for science....
They dont reject Faith just do to misunderstanding of some scientific research.Aren't you the guy telling me about the wonder's of science in the quran in another post? I mean what's up with you? Is science a buffet that you pick and choose from?
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If they were so important, why did they burn all the hadith collections in the first century? They couldn't find any wood? Because they were not meant to be recorded, the things the prophet said was only meant for the people he said it too, not for the generations after that. The Quran is enough for guidance.
To my mind, the above question is one that has never been satisfactorily answered and is, consequently, one of the most devastating criticisms of those who regard ahadith as a second source of law in addition to the Qur'an. To be sure, there is plenty of evidence from the Qur'an itself (which has been pointed out in this thread) to show that it is the only hadith to be used. But, as far as non-Qur'anic evidences go, the above question is one that still remains an insurmountable obstacle that the proponent of ahadith must hurdle.
If, as the proponent of the ahadith would have us believe, we are to obey the messenger via his alleged words and actions (as opposed to mere obeisance to the message he brought, i.e. the Qur'an), why would the Prophet himself not sanction such a compilation? Or, to push it further, why would the Sahaaba not oversee such a compilation? Why would it take 150-200 years for certain scholars to finally sift through the hundreds of thousands of ahadith and regulate them into compendia? The ahadith proponent cannot simply say that there was no need for writing them down as oral transmission was the method of the day. For if this is the case, then why was something similar not done for the Qur'an? To the ahadith proponent, the ahadith are an extremely important second source of law, so why the differing treatment? There is simply no way around this extremely visible and telling gap in Islamic history.
This gap alone demolishes the ahadith proponent's claims as far as I'm concerned, nevermind all the other evidence from the Qur'an/human psychology/common sense/etc.
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who use their understanding,,,then after they look for science....
They dont reject Faith just do to misunderstanding of some scientific research.Aren't you the guy telling me about the wonder's of science in the quran in another post? I mean what's up with you? Is science a buffet that you pick and choose from?
Wonders of science are used to invite non-believers to Truth. There are not to push the people away or for the people to find faults in quran.
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Wonders of science are used to invite non-believers to Truth. There are not to push the people away or for the people to find faults in quran
Science only found in the Quran, so it can only invite to the Quran. And push people away from what? Hearsays reports written down by jews and zoroasterians who worked for the rulers 200 years later?
Science gives us
1.shows us that the world is designed.
2.coincides directly with the Quran.
3.gives us means to investigate information objectively.All 3 invites people to the Quran only, and when they read the Quran they read
1.that the Quran is complete, as it says itself.
2.that it rejects any authority next to it, as it says itself.
3.that we must investigate everything ourself.
4.not demand useless details.
5.that a lot of people will lie about God and His Deen.
6.that Islam is easy.
7.that all laws in the Quran are complete and detailed, and all have a reason we can find through science, psychology, sociology, why we must follow them.
8.that all things of life not mentioned in the Quran are for us to find out, and we must consult with each other about it.This will show them that the collected hearsay are
- not to be trusted.
- not authorized.
3.must be treated and seen as any written history.
4.cannot be used as extra guidelines for our Deen.
5.are used to push people into man-made dogma's.
6.after research in the hearsay history, will show them they are forged collections, man-made to grasp the authority out of God's hand, and put it into the hands of 'religious leaders'.
7.doesn't resemble the prophets words or deeds.
8.are not extra details on the Quran.
9.does contain some wisdom, must be seen as nothing special, as wisdom can be found anywhere on earth with any people.
10.are not revelations or special.
Peace