Umrah
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To my knowledge kissing is the ultimate thing if you avoid it ,to my knowledge , your tawaf isn't complete ask an Alim or someone.
see
http//www.crystalinks.com/blackstone.html
"During the Tawaf pilgrims kiss or touch the black stone as they circumambulate the Ka'ba."
Let me say , when my sister came back from hajj - she said it was Great , but would have been better if she hadn't talked about it with me before hand.
God Bless.
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Salam Simple,
lol not everyone in the corrupt Muslim world believes that it is fard, although they do highly recommend it.
It?s illogical to believe that your tawaf is not complete if you don?t kiss the black stone, can you imagine what it would be like if everyone in Hajj tried to kiss the black stone!? lol there would be absolute chaos ;D
Peace,
Sugar -
peace sugar,
I suggest when you go to visit Mecca and its traditional monuments, you check them out thoroughly.
For example, the kabba not being a perfect cube. the stories about nothing flying directly over it. what its made of, its structure, whats inside it, when was it most recently rebuilt, the oldest pics of it, maqam ibrahim, safwa & marwa, how the well of zam zam actually works, in medina do people worship Muhammad's tomb, the recently built new pillar for "stoning the devil" etc.
There are loads of things to check out. If I went, I'd treat it as an archaeological visit primarily.
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Salaam all,
There are loads of things to check out. If I went, I'd treat it as an archaeological visit primarily.
Same here. My wife wants to go there too when she has recovered and strong enough to do traditional umrah. I'll accompany her. It's nice to travel once in a while and learn stuffs at the same time, instead of being trapped in my office cube. ;D
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It's nice to travel once in a while and learn stuffs at the same time, instead of being trapped in my office cube. ;D
lol I know the feeling , but the office I work in is fricken huge, we have about 200 people working there.
Peace,
Sugar -
Salaam all,
I am going to Umrah too, I am also thinking about going to the Dome of the Rock in Israel whilst I am in the Middle East. However, I am not doing this out of ritual or even because it is prescribed in the Quran, but because I want to find a connection with God away from the politics and opinions of everyone else.
Peace,
Stitch
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Salaam all,
I am going to Umrah too, I am also thinking about going to the Dome of the Rock in Israel whilst I am in the Middle East. However, I am not doing this out of ritual or even because it is prescribed in the Quran, but because I want to find a connection with God away from the politics and opinions of everyone else.
Peace,
Stitch
Salaam Stitch,
Please share us your experience ...I hope you enjoy your umrah.
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Salaam Stitch,
Please share us your experience ...I hope you enjoy your umrah.
Walaikum Salaam Andy,
I will share my experience when I return. I just hope that it is a significant experience for me that reinforces my faith and puts me at peace.
Peace,
Stitch.
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peace sugar,
I suggest when you go to visit Mecca and its traditional monuments, you check them out thoroughly.
For example, the kabba not being a perfect cube. the stories about nothing flying directly over it. what its made of, its structure, whats inside it, when was it most recently rebuilt, the oldest pics of it, maqam ibrahim, safwa & marwa, how the well of zam zam actually works, in medina do people worship Muhammad's tomb, the recently built new pillar for "stoning the devil" etc.
There are loads of things to check out. If I went, I'd treat it as an archaeological visit primarily.
yes I think I might just do that.
Peace,
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Salaam,
Sugar you say you go on the prescibed hajj, but who says hajj as you put it is the right understanding? Ever thought of that? Most words in the Quran are totaly distorted and hajj is one of them....
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Salaam,
Sugar you say you go on the prescibed hajj, but who says hajj as you put it is the right understanding? Ever thought of that? Most words in the Quran are totaly distorted and hajj is one of them....
Yes I only recently found that out, I am still evaluating the evidence, I need to go over it several times before I actually make my mind up.
Peace,
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I myself am still busy with seing the whole conception of it all. But hajj refers to debate, and refers probably to a gathering of the people of the same house=system=islam. To debate on issues concerning the public. The Quran is not a book of religion, but a book for the system of humankind.
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My granddad has done hajj about 10 times.
Everyone I know that has performed hajj claim it is a priceless, unforgettable, life changing, emotional, inspirational, indescribable, overwhelming experience (no matter how much shirk they have committed ) They also say that the feeling of being there is like no feeling on earth and just being there your whole life feels meaningful.
I wonder what attracts people to that place confused, I can't wait to find out. yay
Peace,
Sugar -
It has to do with psychology. They are thaught it is special, so they will create a feeling that it is special when they are there. No place on earth is more special as God is everywhere. So this has to do with the importance it is given by the tradition. When christians visit their special places, they have the exact same feeling you describe here. This is because they have convinced themselves this place is special. So they create an illusion that makes it special. All religions have their holy places, and all describe their visit in the same way. This shows they create the feeling themselves and has nothing to do with the place itself. My aunt found the shirk so horrific she hates the place.
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Salaam all,
Well, I'm going there with absolutely NO preconceptions of what to expect. I'm going there completely empty and seeking God. I'm not doing this for the ritual, but to get as physically close as possible to the sacred sites of the "religion of Abraham" and take a lot of time to soul search away from the opinions of others.
Peace,
Stitch
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My aunt found the shirk so horrific she hates the place.
Shirk drives me crazy too (having said that I have committed plenty of it over the years -X brickwall)
The amount of shirk committed by my family always freaks me out. Even as an Orthodox Muslim the stuff they used to say (especially about prophet Muhammad) used to leave me feeling disturbed, and often keep me awake at night and at worst give me nightmares. If I still decide to go I'm sure the shirk committed there will not bother me too much coz I reckon my family commits more shirk then everybody that will be there, when I go there, put together!!
they create an illusion that makes it special
lol I always underestimate the power of the subconscious mind....
That kinda explains why zam zam water works miraculously on my family and why it tastes like the "best water in the world" ) and how spiritual healers seem to be so good at solving our problems ) our family gets conned by these "spiritual healers" on a regular basis ) my family also love imploring "spiritual healers" that are dead ) according to my mum they are "extremely powerful", my family and our local mosque also likes to celebrate the lives of these "spiritual healers" ) My mum nearly beat me up when I told her they don't work, then I told her that she "misunderstood" what I said and I told her what I "meant" was they don't work without God's will P. The stuff these spiritual healers prescribe for us can be potentially harmful and obviously don?t work, yet my family thinks that it is perfectly safe and they have 100% faith in it.
My dad said when he was on Hajj he felt like he was floating and the feeling is like being on drugs.
Peace,
Sugar -
Peace,
Those spiritual healers are fake, as God tells us there is no 'magic' in this world, only illusion. And yes, most people underestimate the power of subconciousness. They create the feeling, it is not because of the place. They create as they subconciously think thay must feel a certain way when they are there..
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although most of these pathetic "healers" claim that my family have jinn possession odd ones claims that people are doing witchcraft on us and only they can relieve it (only if you give them some dosh of course ))
Those spiritual healers are fake, as God tells us there is no 'magic' in this world, only illusion.
verse 2102
Khalifa
They pursued what the devils taught concerning Solomon's kingdom. Solomon, however, was not a disbeliever, but the devils were disbelievers. They taught the people sorcery, and that which was sent down through the two angels of Babel, Haroot and Maroot. These two did not divulge such knowledge without pointing out "This is a test. You shall not abuse such knowledge." But the people used it in such evil schemes as the breaking up of marriages. They can never harm anyone against the will of GOD. They thus learn what hurts them, not what benefits them, and they know full well that whoever practices witchcraft will have no share in the Hereafter. Miserable indeed is what they sell their souls for, if they only knew.Yusuf Ali
They followed what the evil ones gave out (falsely) against the power of Solomon the blasphemers Were, not Solomon, but the evil ones, teaching men Magic, and such things as came down at babylon to the angels Harut and Marut. But neither of these taught anyone (Such things) without saying "We are only for trial; so do not blaspheme." They learned from them the means to sow discord between man and wife. But they could not thus harm anyone except by God's permission. And they learned what harmed them, not what profited them. And they knew that the buyers of (magic) would have no share in the happiness of the Hereafter. And vile was the price for which they did sell their souls, if they but knew!Pickthal
And follow that which the devils falsely related against the kingdom of Solomon. Solomon disbelieved not; but the devils disbelieved, teaching mankind magic and that which was revealed to the two angels in Babel, Harut and Marut. Nor did they (the two angels) teach it to anyone till they had said We are only a temptation, therefore disbelieve not (in the guidance of Allah). And from these two (angles) people learn that by which they cause division between man and wife; but they injure thereby no-one save by Allah's leave. And they learn that which harmeth them and profiteth them not. And surely they do know that he who trafficketh therein will have no (happy) portion in the Hereafter; and surely evil is the price for which they sell their souls, if they but knew."Progressive Muslims"
And they followed what the devils recited regarding Solomon's kingship. Solomon did not reject, but it was the devils that rejected by teaching people magic, and teaching them what was sent down on the two Angels in Babylon, Haroot and Maroot. They did not teach anyone until they would say "We are a test, so do not lose faith!" Thus they teach what can separate between a person and his mate; but they cannot harm anyone except by God's permission. And they learn what harms them and does not benefit them, and they have known that he who purchases such has no place in the Hereafter. Miserable indeed is what they purchased with their souls if only they knew!Shakir
And they followed what the Shaitans chanted of sorcery in the reign of Sulaiman, and Sulaiman was not an unbeliever, but the Shaitans disbelieved, they taught men sorcery and that was sent down to the two angels at Babel, Harut and Marut, yet these two taught no man until they had said, "Surely we are only a trial, therefore do not be a disbeliever." Even then men learned from these two, magic by which they might cause a separation between a man and his wife; and they cannot hurt with it any one except with Allah's permission, and they learned what harmed them and did not profit them, and certainly they know that he who bought it should have no share of good in the hereafter and evil was the price for which they sold their souls, had they but known this.http//www.submission.org/satan/evil.html
There's even a religion that practices witchcraft.
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wicca
My school mates were obsessed with Wicca/witchcraft. I heard that the religion is more popular then Christianity. A boy I knew at school who was obsessed with history told me that Wicca was the original religion of Britain until the Romans took over and made it into a Christian country. The 1600's was a period where SO MANY women were burnt coz they were accused of witchcraft.A freaky distant relative of mine admitted doing witchcraft on someone.
You can get loads of books, sites and magazine articles which talk about how to cast spells. I've never really tried any of that, although I have heard MANY claims that these spells work I can't say I have any solid proof to back that up.
Peace,
Sugar -
These verses are translated wrong..........
The Hadithised translations have to be confusing. They present what their train of thought has predecided learning from the grand old Muhaddithin and Mufassirin like Tabari, Ibn Kathir, Ar-Razi, Zamakhshari.
Remember what Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal said, "There is no basis but absolute falsehood in three kinds of books MAGHAZI (Ghazwaat), MALAHIM (Minor battles in which the exalted prophet was not present), and the books of Tafsir."
And even the persons who claim to translate the Quran alone without outside sources, still are influenced by their background. So you have to be carefull with these things sister. God would never teach people sin! That is His law!
728 (As an example) when people commit an indecency they say, "We found our forefathers doing it and Allah has enjoined it upon us." (Made it natural for us). Say (O Prophet), "Allah never enjoins indecency. Do you attribute to Allah of which you have no knowledge?"
They commit a gross sin, then say, "We found our parents doing this, and GOD has commanded us to do it." Say, "GOD never advocates sin. Are you saying about GOD what you do not know?"
You have to look at the Quran itself. This verse is translated in the most wrong way by almost all.
So God would never send angels to teach people things that can harm others. Even their so called warning doesn'take away God would never send angels with this mission. God would never spread harmfull knowledge, plus calls it even non-sense. He calls it JIBT(see below451), which baseless magic, sorcery and so on. So the verse is translated wrong, even by the Quranaloners.....
Now look at the context
2100 (This reflects in their daily lives.) Is it not so that whenever they make a pledge with others, a party among them breaks it (and others feel liberated from their collective responsibility)? Indeed most of them do not believe in the Prescribed Way of Life.
2101 And now that a Messenger has come unto them from Allah confirming the Truth in what they have, a party among those who were given the Scripture before, cast the Scripture of Allah (the Torah and the Gospel) behind their backs as if they know not.
2102 (They followed conjecture in the past as well.) Some rebellious folk spread a rumor in the Kingdom of Solomon. Solomon never disbelieved in the Divine Laws, but the rebellious ones did. They fabricated a story that two angels Harut and Marut had descended in Babylon and taught magic to some people - and that they used to warn people, ?We are only a temptation, therefore be not oblivious to the rational Divine Laws.? The rumor further stated that people learned magic from both of them and how to create discord between a man and his wife. These things can neither harm nor benefit anyone since nothing happens in the Universe contrary to the immutable Divine Laws of Nature. And that which they try to learn only harms them and profits them not. Indeed, they ought to know that any person indulging in this trade (the so-called ?Occult sciences?) will be a loser in the long run, and shall have no portion in the Hereafter. And surely, evil is the price for which they sell their humanity, if they only knew better.
Also think if Allah would ever send angels to reveal or teach magic to people? Allah doesn't play games with His servants.
The angel of Revelation has been Ruhul Qudus, Gabriel. Harut Marut are names they had fabricated.
Ahadith further tell us that both of the angels are hanging upside down in a well in Iraq till the Day of Judgement. Why? They competed with each other for a beautiful woman Zuhra. (Are angels physical beings?)
Furthermore, as a punishment, she too has been made to hang upside down as planet Venus (Zuhra as distinct from Zahra, Fatima r.a.) Greek Mythology is the source of this tale; recall the goddess of beauty, Venus.
Did you see how our exponents put the cart before the horse and Hadith before the Qur'an?
451 Are you not aware of those who after receiving their share of the Book (Qur?an) believe in JIBT =(baseless mysteries, magic, future-telling, astrology, clairvoyance, evil eye, good and bad omens, amulets, dreams and prophecies, palm-reading, soothsaying, superstitions of all kind, jinn-possession of people, exorcism, blowing verses and senseless words on people or in food and drink, counting names on rosaries) and they believe in TAGHOOT (the evil humans who try to play God with their tyranny or with their religious exploitation as priests and monks, mullahs and sufis of any religion)? And then they claim that they, the deniers (of the Qur?an) are better guided than the believers in the Book!
452 It is they whom Allah has rejected, and there is no one to help whom Allah rejects1077 Moses said, "This is what you say about the Truth when it has come to you! Is this magic? Those who deceive people with lies and claims of magic, never succeed."
I'll give you more information on magic later from a scientific point of view. As the so-called wicca, is just ancient pagan rituals and doesn't do anything special. They don't have magic. And EVERY religion has a certain form of sorcery. All based on superstition and lies or based on natural laws which they didn't understood then and called it magic. As for spells, it mostly 'works' because people in their subconciousness make themselves believe it worked or make it a self-fullfilling prophecy. Also it is proven in labs people can influence another through thoughts, so this is no magic, but simple capabilities of man which were always mis-understood.
Go this site for some examples
www.rupertsheldrake.orgPeace
