Why no record of prophets in europe,australasia and america?

unknownuser

Salaams all,

a prophet to every nation/all peoples is what it says so there are dozens who we havn't been able to recognise as such.

Has anybody done or has a list of the features or qualities of the Lords messenger ?

God Bless.

unknownuser

Further, 'AR-rasool' are certainly different from mere 'rusul'.

Two question Mquran

Why you write it "AR-rasool" and not "Al-rasool"?
what is the difference between Al-rasool and rusl?

thanks

unknownuser

I used 'mohamed ibn Abdullah' for ease of discussion.

bro, this is not going to make it easy because if you will call him mohammad ibn Abduallh, you have to tell me how you verified it to call him as such

Mohamed ibn Abdullah is simply the person who is historically known to recieve al-quraan.

so you acceot the history records?, well, can you please tell me how the history proved that Mohammad father is named Abd Allah

I could call him 'bob', 'joe', 'mr x' or whatever you like when im discussing with you.

thanks, i prefer Mohammad then

Don't get so hooked up on it, AB.

bro, there is no hooking here, my question to you and leyla stands, how did you verify that Mohammad father is named Abd Allah?

thanks

unknownuser

Peace all,

I believe there's a fine line between a prophet (nabi) and messenger (rasool). With respect to Allah=Reality (as rightfully prophessed by enquirer) is THE TRUTH, NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH. A prophet can be anyone who initiates, propagates and adjudicates a message conforming to reality (the truth of events/circumstances as witnessed at any given time to be accurate, be that of past, present or present-continuous participle form). All those who agree with the prophet's (nabi's) message and expounds to further expanding/conveying the very message where it first originated from (i.e. the nabi) become messengers (rasool), keeping in mind that "THE GOD" IS REALITY.

Anyone knowing who or what GOD is 100% in CERTAINTY must come out and claim so??? Else don't make a FOOL out of yourselves and others at the same time. Once anyone knows who or what GOD IS, then let me know what Quran is all about?

unknownuser

I used 'mohamed ibn Abdullah' for ease of discussion.

bro, this is not going to make it easy because if you will call him mohammad ibn Abduallh, you have to tell me how you verified it to call him as such

Mohamed ibn Abdullah is simply the person who is historically known to recieve al-quraan.

so you acceot the history records?, well, can you please tell me how the history proved that Mohammad father is named Abd Allah

I could call him 'bob', 'joe', 'mr x' or whatever you like when im discussing with you.

thanks, i prefer Mohammad then

Don't get so hooked up on it, AB.

bro, there is no hooking here, my question to you and leyla stands, how did you verify that Mohammad father is named Abd Allah?

thanks

The Leyla/Majnu relentless orthodoxical corroborations continues. A failed and debased partnership.

unknownuser

Is it Muhammad ibne Abd Allah or Muhammad ibne Abdullah as per historical analysis? What's the difference?

mquran

AB 1) Why you write it "AR-rasool" and not "Al-rasool"?
2) what is the difference between Al-rasool and rusl?

Just writing it phonetically. Once again, its a personal choice.
Ar-rasool is , in my reading, one who has allowed the office of risaalat take over his entire life. He is the leader of al-mumineen.

bro, this is not going to make it easy because if you will call him mohammad ibn Abduallh, you have to tell me how you verified it to call him as such

I didn't verify it and that's why i'm not standing by it. I use it to differentiate him from Muhammad as used in al-quraan.

so you acceot the history records?, well, can you please tell me how the history proved that Mohammad father is named Abd Allah

Once again, I do not. I'm using it for convenience, ease of communication. If you don't agree with this, fine with me.

thanks, i prefer Mohammad then

fine. I'll try to remember that.

bro, there is no hooking here, my question to you and leyla stands, how did you verify that Mohammad father is named Abd Allah?

There was a guy who recieved al-quraan for the first time. This is due to the fact that we're relying on linnear time and that al-quraan has the concept of people of before. This guy I call 'muhammad ibn abdullah' because when I talk to people about him, they're usually from the Sunni side. This makes it easier for me. If you disagree with this, no problem. I really couldn't care less

mquran

DanishThe Leyla/Majnu relentless orthodoxical corroborations continues. A failed and debased partnership.

Salaam (as 25/73 commands).

unknownuser

Peace all,

I believe there's a fine line between a prophet (nabi) and messenger (rasool). With respect to Allah=Reality (as rightfully prophessed by enquirer) is THE TRUTH, NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH. A prophet can be anyone who initiates, propagates and adjudicates a message conforming to reality (the truth of events/circumstances as witnessed at any given time to be accurate, be that of past, present or present-continuous participle form). All those who agree with the prophet's (nabi's) message and expounds to further expanding/conveying the very message where it first originated from (i.e. the nabi) become messengers (rasool), keeping in mind that "THE GOD" IS REALITY.

Anyone knowing who or what GOD is 100% in CERTAINTY must come out and claim so??? Else don't make a FOOL out of yourselves and others at the same time. Once anyone knows who or what GOD IS, then let me know what Quran is all about?

Bro

Leyla explanation of Nabi, was spot on, it is anyone who "Yunabi" "sort of to say" about Allah and news raegarding prosperity in this life the JD (the news may be Good or Bad or both)

Rasool on the other hand is anyone who is sent by someone to a person ir a group of persons to deliver something (verbally or in writing)

therefore EVERY RASOOL IS A NABI, but not EVERY NABI IS A RASOOL

because the Rasool will also Yunabi about Allah and the future in addition to the other delivery task given to him as a Rasool

Peace

unknownuser

Is it Muhammad ibne Abd Allah or Muhammad ibne Abdullah as per historical analysis? What's the difference?

I tend to write the arabic in eneglish letters without the tashkil to avoide confusion

Abd Allah "no tashkil"

Abdu Allah "with a dumma on both" oooo

Abdi Allah "with a kassarah" eeee

Abda Allah "with a fatiha" aaaa

some join the two words together in english but in arabic they are two separate words

unknownuser

AB 1) Why you write it "AR-rasool" and not "Al-rasool"?
2) what is the difference between Al-rasool and rusl?

Just writing it phonetically. Once again, its a personal choice.
Ar-rasool is , in my reading, one who has allowed the office of risaalat take over his entire life. He is the leader of al-mumineen.

bro, this is not going to make it easy because if you will call him mohammad ibn Abduallh, you have to tell me how you verified it to call him as such

I didn't verify it and that's why i'm not standing by it. I use it to differentiate him from Muhammad as used in al-quraan.

so you acceot the history records?, well, can you please tell me how the history proved that Mohammad father is named Abd Allah

Once again, I do not. I'm using it for convenience, ease of communication. If you don't agree with this, fine with me.

thanks, i prefer Mohammad then

fine. I'll try to remember that.

bro, there is no hooking here, my question to you and leyla stands, how did you verify that Mohammad father is named Abd Allah?

There was a guy who recieved al-quraan for the first time. This is due to the fact that we're relying on linnear time and that al-quraan has the concept of people of before. This guy I call 'muhammad ibn abdullah' because when I talk to people about him, they're usually from the Sunni side. This makes it easier for me. If you disagree with this, no problem. I really couldn't care less )

cheers mquran

unknownuser

Peace be upon you,

My understanding is that ancient CIVILIZATIONS such as Khamit, Sumer, Indus Kush, etc had a superior understanding of the "SELF" and the "SPIRIT" (nafs). There civilizations revolved around spirituality. People from all over went to "egypt" to learn about the sciences of life. In thier philosophy, only the man/woman who were still controlled by thier lower passions were in need of a 'religion'. Therefore certain metaphoric stories were created to help mankind ascend to the higher parts of the spirit.

The truth of the matter is that we ALL have the potential to be prophets and messengers depending on the level of our spiritual work. A prophet is only one who INTUITS information that is not known or has been lost. A messenger is one who delivers truth to another. Messengers are PLENTY, prophets are few.

But we have to understand CLEARLY that there are people who know this and deliberately attempt to cover the truth with falsehood, and on top of that there are blind followers of religions that will fight to keep the falsehood going unaware.

unknownuser

Salam

There's plenty of stuff I agree with on this forum and plenty of stuff I 100% disagree with. I think ppl are pushing this quran-only stuff way too far at times to fit their own needs. For example, I read a thread that was all about how you really don't have to pray and another one on how Ramadan is supposed to be fasting from speech, not food and drink. That's just crazy-talk to me. The one that topped it off was the thread that was trying to justify homosexuality. Now I'm beginning to think I'm neither Sunni, Shia, or a Free-Minder (whatever that is). For fear of breaking my religion into more sects I refuse to label myself at all. So at this point, I'm sitting back and trying to understand what the so-called free-mind stance is on alot of issues. I've been following this thread and MQURAN you posted something I didn't understand.

I didn't verify it and that's why i'm not standing by it. I use it to differentiate him from Muhammad as used in al-quraan.

Do you mean Mohamed in the quran and Mohamed Ibn Abdullah are two separate people? I don't know if I misunderstood or that's really what you meant. If you could clarify that would be great.
Salam

mquran

Soul2squeezeDo you mean Mohamed in the quran and Mohamed Ibn Abdullah are two separate people? I don't know if I misunderstood or that's really what you meant. If you could clarify that would be great.

Ok, here goes

Muhammad in al-quraan to me is a personality type which anyone can emulate or experience.
I call the reciever of al-quraan 'muhammad ibn abdullah' simply to ease discussion.
I don't know if the reciever of al-quraan experienced the 'muhammad' mentioned in (1) above or not.

Hope that helps.

unknownuser

Salam mquran

Thanks for the clarification on your point. While I do believe anyone can emulate the actions and words of Mohamed (p.b.u.h), I don't believe its just a code-name for a personality type. I think he really was a real person and in fact we are commanded to follow him so we SHOULD emulate the actions and words referred to in the quran (and the quran is enough).

What is your rationale in believing that Mohamed mentioned in the quran is not a person but a personality type that the man Mohamed may or may not have lived up to? Just out of curiosity...
Cheers

unknownuser

Peace be upon you SoulsSqueeze,

MQ can respond for himself, but I would like to add my 3 cents.

Thanks for the clarification on your point. While I do believe anyone can emulate the actions and words of Mohamed (p.b.u.h), I don't believe its just a code-name for a personality type. I think he really was a real person

You "THINK" or you KNOW? There is a big difference in those words. If you THINK so, then there is room for doubt, and we are not to be of those who doubt, but of those who know..."My Lord, increase me in KNOWLEDGE".., not belief.

and in fact we are commanded to follow him so we SHOULD emulate the actions and words referred to in the quran (and the quran is enough).

We can only emulate what was written because this person we cannot verify. To be truthful against ones own beliefs in the same manner they would judge another "religion" is crucial.

How do you understand the prefix "Mu"? Do you realize that the word "muhammad" is related to "hamd", the same was "muslim" is related to "islam" and "salaam"? Do you also realize that the word "ahmed" is another form of the same word? SO why is one treated as a name and the other not? WHo decided which , if any, should be the nam

What is your rationale in believing that Mohamed mentioned in the quran is not a person but a personality type that the man Mohamed may or may not have lived up to? Just out of curiosity...

See above

mquran

Thanks for the clarification on your point. While I do believe anyone can emulate the actions and words of Mohamed (p.b.u.h), I don't believe its just a code-name for a personality type. I think he really was a real person and in fact we are commanded to follow him so we SHOULD emulate the actions and words referred to in the quran (and the quran is enough).

Ok, but we cannot follow him , the real person, if he is dead. This would go against the Quranic injunction of verification (17/36).

What is your rationale in believing that Mohamed mentioned in the quran is not a person but a personality type that the man Mohamed may or may not have lived up to? Just out of curiosity...

My reason for believing so is that all Quranic personalities are called 'ibraat' or 'archetypes'. I believe Allah has lifted the crucial elements of each of their lives and codified it in al-quraan. And so, when one access these personalities, one would access their experiences and hence their results.

unknownuser

Peace be upon you MQ,

I always love the way you explain this )

My reason for believing so is that all Quranic personalities are called 'ibraat' or 'archetypes'. I believe Allah has lifted the crucial elements of each of their lives and codified it in al-quraan. And so, when one access these personalities, one would access their experiences and hence their results.

To recap, there is one way that can be verified, by life experience through emulation, and one way that we will always guess about and have doubts, by blind belief in people we can never verify, like Big Foot and Santa Claus.

There is so much beauty in the message, but it is hard for many to accept the responsibility of actually emulating these examples.

mquran

KyleI always love the way you explain this

Well, you were one of the influences in the formation of my world-view, for sure. Another was Ibn Arabi in his 'bezels of wisdom'. Of course, this was both stimulus till I verified it with the book itself.

unknownuser

Salam Mquran
Wow mquran that was really deep! I never thought of it that way. You really stimulated my brain on that one elektro

lol

Salam Idolfrree1
I never meant that I have doubts. But that's not for you to decide whether I have doubts or not anyway. But I see your point. I'll be sure to choose my words more carefully next time. Onto your other point about MUhammad and MUslim and such, I had to read it a few times to let it sink in. I think... no wait.. I KNOW I understand it now in conjunction with mquran's explanation.

may God Bless and increase you both in knowledge inshallah
P.S. Are there any articles written on this issue that I could read?