Verse 17:36 The New Idol???

thegod

idolfree1 wrote
Universal Law manifests form the subjective realm (God), so all things in the objective realm are created according to mathematical patterns in an interconnected relationship, thus giving us LAW.

See above.

so is the universe god? or is the universe a creation of god? when i say universe i mean humans, trees, air, water, stars, etc.!

idolfree1 wrote
The hidden (jinn) refer to your thoughts and imagination (fantasies).

maybe that assertion is itself ur fantasy...notice how u said "ur fantasies"...do u say ur djinns or just djinns? anyway, v will get to this some other time! -)

idolfree1 wrote
When you are CERTAIN you KNOW, when you believe, you think so. Everyone realizes this, no matter how you want to combat this position.

that is what u say...if that was the case they would not have been different words!

example i am certain i will do this tomorrow! does not mean i leapt into future, saw myself doing it, and am feeling certain about it!

there is no point in trying to re-invent the words just to suit our understanding! -)

idolfree1 wrote
I dont understand your argument , please clarify the question.

the book is a guidance to who believe in the unseen, and believe by what was revealed to muhammad and by what was revealed afore is the book guidance to those who have blind faith?

idolfree1 wrote
The "ending" is always happenning, and can thus be verified over and over and over again. Cause and effect, have you never witnessed the effect of a cause? Once you do, over and over and over again, then you can say you are CERTAIN of the "ending", because all causes have an effect.

so u are saying the akhirat is just another effect..what is the cause?

28 Of the people there are some who say "We believe in Allah and the Last Day;" but they do not (really) believe.

they do not believe in cause and effect? they never witnessed it?

idolfree1 wrote
See above.

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idolfree1 wrote
342 has nisa in it, it is not talking about nisa.

huh?

idolfree1 wrote
Please give me that verse !!!!! YOu may have assisted me on something

sure i already posted it and u read it 26108! -)

26108 He said Lord of the East and the West and all that is between them, if ye did but understand.

idolfree1 wrote
His ego most likely, but if he turned to verification it would have been the one God.

ahan!

2626 He said Your Lord and the Lord of your fathers.

idolfree1 wrote
Yes, yes, no.

hmmm....abraham and moses are from aalameen, but not pharaoh! are only the righteous aalameen?

idolfree1 wrote
Yes. If you meditate, you can come to a point where you are conscious of just being consciousness. You will see that there is a part of you that percieves yet is not percieved. Further, the mathematical basis of all creation gives evidence of this divine intelligence who percieves but cannot be percieved.

basically, it is just ur belief...right? there is no evidence...if there is do present it to me! -)

idolfree1 wrote
I dont take "quran" as the name of any book, so we can start there.

start from the book which i am quoting from, the 1 u also quote from commonly known as the quran! -)

idolfree1 wrote
Also, if you are referring to the book called "THE Koran" without authority,

E by whose authority do u call a book a "book"? did the word drop from the heavens? or did a book drop from the skies with "book" written on it? -)

"85.17" Has not there come to you the story of the hosts,

"85.18" Of Firon and Samood?

"85.19" Nay! those who disbelieve are in (the act of) giving the lie to the truth.

"85.20" And Allah encompasses them on every side.

"85.21" Nay! it is a glorious Quran,

do u find in that book the narratives of aad and thamood? the book which those who disbelieve belie? that is the quran! -)

idolfree1 wrote
then please verify what you mean by "decided".

so this book, which v both quote from, were its contents written by muhammad of his own fancy, or were the contents revelations from god? -)

and yes on what grounds have u changed aalameen to aalimeen?

thegod

ahmedbahgat wrote
EXACTLY bro

yups! -)

ahmedbahgat wrote
Thanks

anytime! -)

ahmedbahgat wrote
in verse 343 where it says "Nisaa Al-Alameen", Al-Alameen IS NOT AN ADJECTIVE, it can't be because the thing that is to be described DOES NOT HAVD THE AL (Nisaa), therefore Al-Alameen is called "Muddaf Elahe"

yes...they are changin of their own desire "aalameen" to "aalimeen"...and i am going to ask reasons behind this...tomorrow somebody will say the bay and yay and tay and thay are all mixed up!

but if they say it is "knowlegeables" then it is an adjective.....so it should agree in gender! -)

KGB

Salaam TG Ahmed Bahgat
Very interesting discussion. I am unable to participate due to lack of my Arabic knowledge. Keep it up.

unknownuser

Hello TG

yes if it is an adjective then it has to be feminine because it describes the women, exactly as Marie said

Preace

thegod

kgb wrote
Salaam TB Ahmed Bahgat

tb? -S lolz

Very interesting discussion. I am unable to participate due to lack of my Arabic knowledge. Keep it up.

this is the last 1...i hope...then i will move on! -)

salaam -)

KGB

Corrected TB. Move on. Why? There are plenty of members who are trying to change the meaning of Qur'an here on FM. Stay and put them to rest.

unknownuser

Stay and put them to rest.

It is a duty according to the Quran

but it seems they don't want to rest therefore we will not rest

peace

thegod

ahmedbahgat wrote
yes if it is an adjective then it has to be feminine because it describes the women, exactly as Marie said

knowlegeable is! -)

ahmedbahgat wrote
It is a duty according to the Quran

-S

ahmedbahgat wrote
but it seems they don't want to rest therefore we will not rest

cool! -)

peace! -)

Someone

Peace thegod, all

1255

Here is the example of youssof being .

Now your turn, just give one verse alluding to that the root means "world", in the singular form.

I will give others examples unless if the god wills.

--

thegod

kgb wrote
Corrected TB.

cool...tb..-S

kgb wrote
Move on. Why? There are plenty of members who are trying to change the meaning of Qur'an here on FM. Stay and put them to rest.

i have karmic duhs to contend with! -S lolz..never mind that! -)

thegod

someone wrote
I will give others examples unless if the god wills.

aalimeen is the plural of alim...aalameen is not the plural of alim!

how did u change the word aalameen to aalimeen? i mean what makes u change the diacritical marks? or do u consider aalameen as aalameen and not aalimeen!

peace -)

kestrel

salaam thegod all

what kGB said is correct

Aleem - Knowledgeable

alAAalameena - Worlds / Universe

examples for "Aleem" are

402 The revelation of the Scripture is from God, the Noble, the Knowledgeable.

402 Tanzeelu alkitabi mina AllahialAAazeezi alAAaleemi

1255 He said "Make me keeper over the granaries of the land, for I know how to keep records and I am knowledgeable."

1255 Qala ijAAalnee AAala khaza-inial-ardi innee hafeethun AAaleemun

and an example for "alAAalameena" is

397 In it are clear signs the place of Abraham. And whoever enters it will be secure. And God is owed from mankind to make Pilgrimage to the Sanctuary, whoever can make a path to it. And whoever rejects, then God has no need of the worlds.

397 Feehi ayatun bayyinatunmaqamu ibraheema waman dakhalahu kana aminanwalillahi AAala alnnasi hijjualbayti mani istataAAa ilayhi sabeelan waman kafarafa-inna Allaha ghaniyyun AAani alAAalameena

I'm 100% sure as I used these words tens of tousands times in my everyday life.

But still the discussion between you and idolfree is interesting. ;D
A discussion between a true believer (you) and a hell creature.
A discussion between a wiseman (you) and a hypocrite who hates Mohammad.
A discussion between an Aleem and a Zaleem D

peace

KGB

Salaam Kestrel

Nice that you too join the discussion.

But still the discussion between you and idolfree is interesting. Grin
A discussion between a true believer (you) and a hell creature.
A discussion between a wiseman (you) and a hypocrite who hates Mohammad.
A discussion between an Aleem and a Zaleem

;D

unknownuser

Salaam Kestrel

Nice that you too join the discussion.

But still the discussion between you and idolfree is interesting. Grin
A discussion between a true believer (you) and a hell creature.
A discussion between a wiseman (you) and a hypocrite who hates Mohammad.
A discussion between an Aleem and a Zaleem

;D

wow

that was really tougher than saying the opinion is stupid

cheers

marie

Peace all,

I'mp not "the father of the grammar sibawayh" but I can see the logic inside the sentences in the Reading.

nisa-i almu/mineena = the wives of the believers (3359)

In 3359 almu/mineena has the same statute regarding nisa-i than al-AAalameen in 342

I hope you see the difference. almu/mineena speeks of the man believers, which makes wrong the translation of al3almeen as those who know (plural masculine) in 342, that doesn't make sense

Praise to the God, the creterion is inside the Reading.

thegod

kestrel wrote
what kGB said is correct

yes...he is right...aleem means knowledgeable! -)

aalimeen is derived from 'ilm'...and is the plural of aleem!

aalameen is derived from 'ilm'....but is not the plural of aleem!

so giving examples of 'aleem' when i am asking for aalameen does not help! -)

kestrel wrote
397 In it are clear signs the place of Abraham. And whoever enters it will be secure. And God is owed from mankind to make Pilgrimage to the Sanctuary, whoever can make a path to it. And whoever rejects, then God has no need of the worlds.

yes, 397 is going to be another task for them! -)

salaam -)

thegod

marie wrote
Praise to the God, the creterion is inside the Reading.

yes, the quran crushes falsehood! -)

u opted outta moderating certain sections? -)

peace!

marie

Salam thegod

u opted outta moderating certain sections? -)

I'm limited in time, this is why I asked Layth to leave this mission for another person who is more available than me.
I suggest brother Ahmad Bahgat to be the fourth moderator.

PS
I remain a member of this forum

Peace

unknownuser

Peace Marie... Your baby is beautiful,and very cute...just like my little boy. sun

unknownuser

Salam thegod

u opted outta moderating certain sections? -)

I'm limited in time, this is why I asked Layth to leave this mission for another person who is more available than me.
I suggest brother Ahmad Bahgat to be the fourth moderator.

PS
I remain a member of this forum

Peace

Thank you Marie

it is enough honor to me that you hardly know me yet put your trust on me, thanks again

cheers