Verse 17:36 The New Idol???
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Peace friend,
agree with Idolfree. We must make an effort to verify everything, including the quran.
Phoenix, nobody is against this.But the discussion is about the un-healthy obsession about verse 1736, if we have to personally verify everything before we believe it to be true ? There are numerous things that an individual can never personally verify.Now keeping this in mind go and re-read my message plz.
And Kestrel, we do not need to set up a controlled scientific experiment in a laboratory to verify a certain piece of information. Many times, the empirical evidence is already in our head (our life).
friend, all these have nothing to do with what i wanted to say.my point is that you cant even verify that physical laws are constant over time so how can you verify ALL of the statements of Koran.You would say "g=9,81 m2/sec for all times" is a scientific fact, however it is rather a strong belief.How can you be sure gravity wont become a repulsive force tomorrow morning.
use your head to understand what someone is trying to say.
yes, plz use your head to understand what I'm trying to say.
so grow up. . please.
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peace
Those who reject the information that Mohammed is messenger of God are kafirs.(4150). And kafirs among people of scripture are worst of creatures. ( 986)
Peace kestrel. Idol-free,from his posts,is one of the most original,open-minded,honest,brave,and enlightened members on this forum......Rather than a hell-creature,he is probably a 'peace-loving' creature... bravo
Peace all.Sorry boys, but I cant call those people "peace-loving creatures", knowing that Allah called them "the worst of the creatures".No matter how original,open-minded,honest,brave,and enlightened they are, kafirs are kafirs.
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Peace Ahmed.
Thanks for your post on 37. Makesa lot of sense.
no worries
cheers
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Peace be upon you KGB,
12 Praise be to Allah, Lord of the Worlds,
Alhamdu lillahi rabbi alAAalameenaHow many Worlds are there in Universe? Verify this and provide scientific proof of the other worlds.
First you have to verify that Aalameena refers to "knowldgeable", not "worlds". If you dont verify you will be searching in the wrong direction.
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Peace all. So a person could say jesus is the only son of god,without verification,and if you questioned him as to why he believed that,he could say; 'its part of my faith in the ghayb',(unseen.) ,or he could say; 'its written in gods book'.(the bible.) How does one get out of that conundrum?
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Peace be upon you Kyle
Following are the transalations which have translated alAAalameena' as world or universe. alAAalameena' does not mean knowledgeable. This is not an convincing answer.
Khalifa - Praise be to GOD, Lord of the universe.
Yusuf Ali - Praise be to God, the Cherisher and Sustainer of the world;
Pickthal - Praise be to Allah, Lord of the Worlds,
Shakir - All praise is due to Allah, the Lord of the Worlds.
Sher Ali - All praise belongs to Allah, Lord of all the worlds,
"Progressive Muslims" - Praise be to God, the Lord of the worlds.The verse simply lost the meaning with your translation knowledgable. There are more proof in the Qur'an that it does mean worlds but trying to keep it simple by not bringing all the verses.
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Peace be upon you KGB,
This is not an convincing answer.
I wasnt trying to convince you , just bringing my argument. Those who refuse to gather knowledge, but rely on blind belief, well....I dont know who thier Lord is.
"..My LORD, increase me in KNOWledge.."
I would be grateful however if you could bring the verses you spoke of.
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Peace be upon you Kyle
This means you are the only one has the knowledge and wisdom to change the meaning of simple meaning of words. All other translations translated this word as worlds. Knowledge is not my God. Allah the One and only is my God. It looks to me that you started worshoping your own big ego.
Not right now. Lets first settle the meaning of this one simple verse here.
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enquirer wrote
Peace all. So a person could say jesus is the only son of god,without verification,and if you questioned him as to why he believed that,he could say; 'its part of my faith in the ghayb',(unseen.) ,or he could say; 'its written in gods book'.(the bible.) How does one get out of that conundrum?then how is jesus son of god? was there a union between god and a woman? for a man to be the son of his father, his father needs to impregnate his mother phsyically....is that how that person understands jesus being the son of god?
it is simple...if ur reasoning holds such a union to be conceivable, hold that belief the god already has stated in the quran those who do not wish to believe by it wont believe even if they were to be given portents! and those who believe by it believe it based on reasoning! -)
also, if u are of those who hold that god states to be of those without doubt by demanding proof of every verse of quran, then bring a verse from the quran where god states this! somebody suggested 2111 an 2147, but these were quoted half and/or out of context! infact, rather than asking proofs for verification of quran itself, the verses plainly suggest that the quran itself is the proof and truth from god! so if somebody wants proof for every verse of quran, it is fine! but if somebody says that god states to ask for proof before believing in it, then provide a reference where god states this!
as for 1736, 4157 is a clear example of those who uphold things without having regarding it 'ilm' and observe how their conjecture is done away with an assertion in quran...so god's revelation itself is 'ilm'! ofcourse, this is for those who believe in quran to be from god those who have doubts over the content of quran can ask for as many proofs as they like, only they would do well to not pretend speaking based on quran when they are as yet in doubt over it, and when asked for proof of their claims they can offer none! -)
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kgb wrote
Not right now. Lets first settle the meaning of this one simple verse here.21107 Wama arsalnaka illa rahmatan lilAAalameena
21107 and not we sent you, except (sending you as) a mercy to the aalemeenbut as 21106 says
21106 Inna fee hatha labalaghan liqawmin AAabideena
21106 Lo! there is a plain statement for folk who are devout.so not will believe by it except who believe in god! -)
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Peace be upobn you KGB,
Please start the thread only if you intend to REASON without arguing.
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god is the rabb of all...of moses and of pharaoh and of annaas...they are all part of aalameen! -)
That is what the Alameen means, everything in the universe including the universe
cheers
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Thank you TG. Your reply is much more reasonable and logical.
That is what the Alameen means, everything in the universe including the universe
This means there is still a possibility of other worlds within our universe. When human can't verify this how they are going to verify the each word of Qur'an.
Peace be upon you Kyle
Giving you reply is not arguing.
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This means there is still a possibility of other worlds within our universe. When human can't verify this how they are going to verify the each word of Qur'an.
peace bro
i guess the Quran verse that it says Allah created 7 earths like our earth, is far more to incline that there is other worlds within the same and only universe
peace
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Salaam
Thank you brother Ahmed Bahgat. I agree with you.
I posted that after listening to all this BS by these fake intellectuels who believe that they have the knowledge and wisdosm to verify each and every word of Allah. After reading Kyle's reply it looks like they absolutely have no knowledge to do so.
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Salaam
Thank you brother Ahmed Bahgat. I agree with you.
I posted that after listening to all this BS by these fake intellectuels who believe that they have the knowledge and wisdosm to verify each and every word of Allah. After reading Kyle's reply it looks like they absolutely have no knowledge to do so.
I don't know bro how they are going to verify the existance of the Jinns, possibly by marrying them?
i don't know man, but I;m sure it can happen, would you reckon they will believe after that?
peace