What should be the outlines of an Americanized ?islam??
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America is a land of Individualism. This philosophy is opposite to Socialism. The political form of this philosophy is Democracy. The government here is chosen by the majority of the free individualistic individuals. Both the individual and social level ideologies live in American Nationalism. Jews have some dominance in American economy and the majority of people belong to Christianity. Islam is growing there and has been a headache for them. In this situation a modification and adaptation of ?islam? to fit in their Nationalism, shall be highly appreciated by them. What shall be the possible criteria or signs of such an ?islam??
- It should find reasons to love Jews and Christians and hate Sunnis and Shias.
- It should justify the alienation from the Muslims of Asian countries.
- It should be individualistic in approach; everybody shall be his own Imam, everybody shall make for him his own religion, Muslim community shall be a bunch of scattered individuals.
- The most important requirement is that it shall get rid of Kaba. Facing Kaba everyday is the most sensitive issue from nationalistic point. It is against America?s vanity and pride. Kaba is associated with Saudi Arabia, land of a culturally fallen behind and inferior nation. Facing Kaba may also mean associating with the rest of the Muslim community.
- Quran should be treated as one of the Testaments with same weights as the other two.
Is there anything more possible points of such an ?islam?? We have past experience of ?din-e-elahi? concocted by Akbar, the Muhgal.
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America is a land of Individualism.
i disagree it is socialism, cleverly disquised as free marked.
This philosophy is opposite to Socialism.
lets see
1.top controlled by an elite
2.concentration camps
3.political assasinations etc..no they are prtty much the same, they just say they arent. Know the horse on the way it walks, says i.
The political form of this philosophy is Democracy.
Nowhere near being democracy. you being given the choice of a few candidates to elect (not select) makes for no democracy.
The government here is chosen by the majority of the free individualistic individuals.
no they are selected by the elite, then you can elect whatever the elite puts forth, knowing that they are there because they support the elite, or is part of it.
Both the individual and social level ideologies live in American Nationalism. Jews have some dominance in American economy and the majority of people belong to Christianity. Islam is growing there and has been a headache for them. In this situation a modification and adaptation of ?islam? to fit in their Nationalism, shall be highly appreciated by them. What shall be the possible criteria or signs of such an ?islam??
A huge FU sign to anyone who deny us our rights as sovereigns under God. The rest above i agree with entirely.
- It should find reasons to love Jews and Christians and hate Sunnis and Shias.
rather rasons to love people who behave themself, regardless of what they call themself.
- It should justify the alienation from the Muslims of Asian countries.
no
- It should be individualistic in approach; everybody shall be his own Imam, everybody shall make for him his own religion, Muslim community shall be a bunch of scattered individuals.
If being a close community by heart is something worse than one united purely by ritual and utterings, then yes.
- The most important requirement is that it shall get rid of Kaba. Facing Kaba everyday is the most sensitive issue from nationalistic point. It is against America?s vanity and pride. Kaba is associated with Saudi Arabia, land of a culturally fallen behind and inferior nation. Facing Kaba may also mean associating with the rest of the Muslim community.
I will face no carved or build idol knowingly. This has nothing to do with anything else than my relationship with God.
- Quran should be treated as one of the Testaments with same weights as the other two.
definately.
Is there anything more possible points of such an ?islam?? We have past experience of ?din-e-elahi? concocted by Akbar, the Muhgal.
ould you define what islam is first?
peace
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Peace prashant, Magi,
I don't think an 'Americanized' Islam is necessary. Why should we or any other group try to mold Islam into something America would like?
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Peace prashant, Magi,
I don't think an 'Americanized' Islam is necessary. Why should we or any other group try to mold Islam into something America would like?
peace
excactly my point. These guys have absolutely zero, nothing that i want.
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Salam all
America is Private-Socialist , It Privatises Profit & Socializes The Losses yeah
Peace
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prashant_kumar wrote
What shall be the possible criteria or signs of such an islam?well..i have heard about non-muslims posing as muslims, spreading their own ideologies! many times non-muslims from different backgrounds converge together, with the common aim of distorting quran! even on this site u find claims such as muhammad never existed, there is no kaba, everything is symbolic, muhammad existed somewhere other than mecca...these are simply opinions of individuals...it need not reflect quran!
infact, a few years back there was this talk of non-muslims building websites where they put a completely out-of-sync with quran interpretations of quran...i think it was said to be 'jewish' attempts...and they were trying to get the muslim masses to start taking jerusalem as the birth place of muhammad rather than mecca, and something like their intention was to take the focus away from the kaaba at mecca -S..so yes..the talks have been there for a long time! infact i remember reading at a certain christian website...telling the muslims something like they have to re-interpret the quran and re-formulate islam if they wish to be co-exist -S (though i agree that muslims need to start looking at quran for guidance, for example differentiate apostasy from betrayal)...then there are hindus who say muhammad preached hinduism...he was an avtar of god -S.. there were also talks about sites and groups with misleading names and object mission...and i think 1 of them was even similar to the name of this site -S
the thing is if u feel certain websites or webgroups are posing as muslims to propogate disbelief by quran...u should go to those websites u think are muslims (shia/sunni/quran-only)...and inform them about such websites and what they are propogating..so that not only other muslims but non-muslims visiting those sites will weigh their teachings against ur information! -)
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There can only be a quranic islam, based on logic, reason and science together with the Quran. This not 'modern' or 'american'. This purely what the Quran promotes. This thread is discriminating and doesn't see the difference between the laws for goverment the Quran gives, and the advises for individuals, as the first are clear, and the second have no direct influence on the country in total. So the americanised islam can never exist. Only the Quranic islam...
Peace
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America is a land of Individualism. This philosophy is opposite to Socialism. The political form of this philosophy is Democracy. The government here is chosen by the majority of the free individualistic individuals. Both the individual and social level ideologies live in American Nationalism. Jews have some dominance in American economy and the majority of people belong to Christianity. Islam is growing there and has been a headache for them. In this situation a modification and adaptation of islam to fit in their Nationalism, shall be highly appreciated by them. What shall be the possible criteria or signs of such an islam?
- It should find reasons to love Jews and Christians and hate Sunnis and Shias.
- It should justify the alienation from the Muslims of Asian countries.
- It should be individualistic in approach; everybody shall be his own Imam, everybody shall make for him his own religion, Muslim community shall be a bunch of scattered individuals.
- The most important requirement is that it shall get rid of Kaba. Facing Kaba everyday is the most sensitive issue from nationalistic point. It is against Americas vanity and pride. Kaba is associated with Saudi Arabia, land of a culturally fallen behind and inferior nation. Facing Kaba may also mean associating with the rest of the Muslim community.
- Quran should be treated as one of the Testaments with same weights as the other two.
Is there anything more possible points of such an islam? We have past experience of din-e-elahi concocted by Akbar, the Muhgal.
Are you suggesting that the Free-Minds' Islam is especially designed to please America ?
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I agree mostly with Arnold on this point. americanized islam - no such animal.
Where did you get this 'possible criteria', Prashant?
Why alienation of Muslims of Asian countries specifically? If anything I'd say Arab Americans get the heat the most lately. Just look at hollywood. Oh well... it's not easy being green ;D
anyway, God bless America. At least I can practice my religion in the way I deem fit, not some wacky dictatorship telling me how its gotta be.
Peace