Quran - Word for Word.
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Peace sugar and all. Can anyone tell me the difference between the arabic meanings of the quran,and peoples interpretations of the quran....? If only god knows the true arabic interpretations,then the quran is unclear/impractical for humans? Yes/no?
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Peace sugar and all. Can anyone tell me the difference between the arabic meanings of the quran,and peoples interpretations of the quran....? If only god knows the true arabic interpretations,then the quran is unclear/impractical for humans? Yes/no?
IF this were true, yes. But it's not.
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We`have the classic arabic recorded in the several dictionaries, together with the usage of the words inside the Quran, we can get a clear picture. But a lot of meanings are still to be unraveled. So the Quran is not unclear at all.
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Peace arnoldyasin. How do you say the quran does not contradict history,when you dont recognise history as an 'exact' science....A little circular in reasoning...? How do you define perfect history?
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Peace,
Can anyone tell me the difference between the arabic meanings of the quran,and peoples interpretations of the quran....?
Time gaps, language barriers and mindsets.
If only god knows the true arabic interpretations,then the quran is unclear/impractical for humans? Yes/no?
YES. Funny when people insist upon and convey explicit renderings of Quranic injunctions with a final note of "Allah knows best".
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peace danish. Yes,its particularly interesting when people go all the way and accuse people of disbelief and/or justify stone-age whippings,etc....Then make the excuse/justification that 'allah knows best'... o I think verse 2224 tells people not to do this....
Because the quran has soo many thousands of conflicting/different interpretations,it no longer has any objectiveness,or common unity/consensus on its implementation of its laws....Hence the 1000 opinions on salat,etc...And all this from a clear book from allah....... o o Maybe people are waiting for a new messenger to explain/implement it...We already have some potential candidates,seemingly desperate for prophethood on this forum... -
Peace arnoldyasin. How do you say the quran does not contradict history,when you dont recognise history as an 'exact' science....A little circular in reasoning...? How do you define perfect history?
Sugar;so how do we know which 'human' has the correct understanding...?I give you an example. The history of Jesus as mentioned in the Quran coincides perfectly with the Dead sea scrolls rules. The scriptures has not been changed by humans over time, but come directly from that age without any mediators. There were no humans between the transmission from that age to now. Because of the dead sea scrolls, we can have a perfect look inside the temple rules of Jesus's people. Now we can understand why Mary lived in the temple and why she was surprised that it was announced she was destined to have a baby, as only few people in the temple were chosen for having children. Also Nag Hammadi scriptures tell Mary fled the temple when she got Jesus, and had him born somewhere secluded. people always mocked the Quran about Jesus's birth being told wrong and that Mary's story could not be verified. Now we can. So you can see how God preserved perfect undisturbed history and dropped it right in our lap. These manuscripts coincide perfectly with the Quran and shows again that Muhammed could have never known these things as they were even lost to the Christians themselves. This is only one example, but a perfect one. And history is a difficult science, yes, but i never used circular reasoning. I explained also in other posts how i approach history. So first ask how i see it before you accuse me of circular reasoning....
Peace
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Peace,
Please stick to the subject matter for which this topic was intended. It is getting deviated. Code-19, contradictions in the quran, Jesus's history, etc. has its own place/threads. Hope no offence measured and thank you for your understanding.
So is it settled that the quran hasn't been preserved word for word? if so, we need to take a different approach to that "promise."
Yes, I shall get to that. But in the meantime, let me remind once again
"Not even half the members currently discussing Quran have given their views and I am still awaiting their stance on this crucial issue, inclusive of mods/admins. Com'on fellas, be spirited, its not gonna bite ya; we are discussing a book, not GOD, for GOD's sake. " I hope I don't get to repeat this again. -
Enquirereace danish and all. I use to think the quran was preserved word for word,in my naivety...
Used to? How do you know your naivety's now gone? You still thought the quran is only explained by internal reference despite 25 years of study. If you ask me, you're still at the height of naivety.
But as i researched more i found 'variant' readings (hafs and warsh etc..)
VARIANT readings? Relative to what?
,the rasheed khalifah version,and an uncertainty in the muslim world as to whether the bismillahs are part of the surahs or not....
So Al-quraan itself was never allowed to stand up for itself, the 'muslim world' and RK were the ones you went after. May I ask, do you ever think for yourself?
Lets also not forget that historically uthman burnt a lot of the 'unauthorised' readings of the quran,and many sahabas had different versions and 'abrogated' verses in their posession....
Provide evidence for this misinformation please.
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Enquirer Peace all.Ps;morality or faith is not dependent on the quran,or any book...
It's not because its dependent on Enquirer's personal biases. He makes accusations against al-quraan while totally ignoring (or perhaps being ignorant of) al-quraan's own defense.
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DanishTime gaps, language barriers and mindsets.
THis is especially true if one is like Danish (who pastes 'suralikeit' websites but can't read its own contents) or like Enquirer (who studied al-quraan for 25 years but crows about variant readings).
Yes, I shall get to that. But in the meantime, let me remind once again
"Not even half the members currently discussing Quran have given their views and I am still awaiting their stance on this crucial issue, inclusive of mods/admins.Why?
Com'on fellas, be spirited, its not gonna bite ya; we are discussing a book, not GOD, for GOD's sake. " I hope I don't get to repeat this again.
Without al-quraan, you can create your own God. Sadly, he'll be a fake god
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Peace,
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As for code 19, it can be imitated if you are willing to put the effort in. I heard it was imitated by some Christians.No, they cannot. They have not. They haven't written a book with a specific pattern of words in it, that has no contradictions, that contains scienitifcal knowledge that can only be discovered hundred's of years from now, that contains perfect history to the letter and has perfect wisdom.
if you put it like that then no.
Any way I heard it was a surah and not a book )
Please, investigate more before just claim something.
Some one gave the URL to the site but it's blocked on my computer ).... nothing new there so i will have to check on someone elses computer )
You reject the whole thing now you have discovered most of rashad's ideas are wrong. This is not wise.....
well code 19 is hardly impressive ) The science and the wisdom is more then enough to prove that it's from god.
....and rashad's history.
peace,
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peace,
Yes, for me the code is only one extra proof, not THE proof for believing the Quran is from God.
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well you said rejecting rashad's ideas completely was not wise but rashad claimed it was the "greatest miracle ever" (well that's what an article i read in submission.org claimed), a couple of months ago i watched a video and rashad was acting like a "news reporter" inviting famous people like rabbi kushner and pat robinson to an event which would be about the "tangible evidence" that will change mankind forever (well i can't remember the exact words he said) but he made it sound like it was a new era for mankind!! o
whatever
yeahpeace,
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Sugarwell you said rejecting rashad's ideas completely was not wise but rashad claimed it was the "greatest miracle ever" (well that's what an article i read in submission.org claimed), a couple of months ago i watched a video and rashad was acting like a "news reporter" inviting famous people like rabbi kushner and pat robinson to an event which would be about the "tangible evidence" that will change mankind forever (well i can't remember the exact words he said) but he made it sound like it was a new era for mankind!!
RK's 'miracle' served as a good distraction for his followers. If you go to submission.org, you'll find interpretations of al-quraan which , like sunnism, sentences al-quraan into a book of religion (and also a number miracle-factory).
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I know, i used to follow his religion.
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Well, at least you escaped. It's much better now than when I first came to this thinking back in 96. Back then, only submission.org was available.