Do people before the advent of Islam go to heaven?
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peace KGB,
doesn't the quran tells us to follow all the messengers? how did the previous scriptures become abrogated?
also, didn't the previous scriptures and prophets teach us the same message?
and i think the quran also talks about following previous scriptures. I don't know for sure.
but please answer my above questions.i agree with Kyle, if that wasn't obvious already.
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Salaamun alaikum,
Fazla, although the books you will mostly find make out Muhammad ibn Abdullah to be 'the founder of Islam', you should know that, according to al-quraan, humankind has always had al-islaam. People are judged according to the truth which comes to them.
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Peace,
Islam is not a new 'religion' and is not just emerged 1400 years ago. The teachings of Moses were as much Islam as of Noah or Jesus and all the other messengers. The Quran is the ending chapter of a long history, it is not the beginning of it. Islam has to do with accepting Reality and Truth, and both of these were and are to be found everywhere on earth on different lands and ages, as nobody is excluded from acces to the Truth and Reality. So i wonder why and how did this question emerged from your mind?
So ,yes, of course people before the Quran are going to heaven, but now is the question, what is your definition of heaven? Everybody is moving on to the next life, and heaven and hell are more described as states of mind, then physical places.
Peace
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Peace be upon you,
There is no such thing as before "islam". Islam is a state of mind, a collection of proper behavior characteristics. It is not an organized religion in its true meaning. Thats all we should be concerned about, if we start to entertain that question based on a false premise, then we are off the focus.
I agree , as most people here do.
Salaams.
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Peace all. Agree with idol-free...You can get muslim-buddhists,muslim christians,muslim secularists,muslim muslims,even muslim atheists...Its your behaviour ,intentions and mind-set that counts...Not your label,or cultural background...
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Peace all,
I agree there is no such thing as "before islam". All the messengers brought the same message of al-islaam from the one Creator. Al-islaam was COMPLETED with the revelation of al-qur'aan, not initiated.
53 today I completed for you your deen, and I completed on you My blessing , and I accepted/approved for you the islam (as) a deen
This is what Abraham said according to al-qur'aan
2131 When his Lord said to him "Surrender (aslim)," he said "I surrender (aslamtu) to the Lord of the worlds."
This is what Joseph said according to al-qur'aan
12101 "My Lord, you have given me sovereignty and taught me the interpretations of what is supposed. Initiator of the heavens and Earth, you are my protector in this world and the Hereafter. Take me as one who has surrendered (musliman), and join me with the good doers."
Allah named the submitters "muslim" from before, and called the deen creed/religion of Abraham
2278 And strive in the cause of God its truly deserved striving. He is the One who has chosen you, and He has made no hardship for you in the deen, the creed (millata) of your father Abraham; He is the One who named you 'those who have surrendered' (almuslimeena) from before as well as in this.
Prophet Muhammad was asked by Allah to follow the religion of Abraham who was a muslim (submitter) according to 2131
16123 Then We inspired to you "You shall follow the creed/religion (millata) of Abraham, monotheism, and he was not of those who set up partners."
Some of those in the heavens and the earth who are "muslims" have been present even before mankind (like the angels), so islam has been around even before mankind existed
383 Is it other than God's system (deen) that they desire, when those in the heavens and the earth have surrendered (aslama) to Him voluntarily or by force? And to Him they will be returned.
2218 Did you not see that to God submit what is in the heavens and what is in the Earth, and the sun and the moon and the stars and the mountains and the trees and what moves, and many of mankind, and many who have deserved the retribution. And whoever God disgraces, then none can honour him. God does what He pleases.
Allah promises that WHOEVER surrenders to Him and does good will be rewarded
2112 No, whosoever surrenders (aslama) himself to God, while doing good, he will have his reward with his Lord. There will be no fear over them, nor will they grieve.
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peace KGB,
doesn't the quran tells us to follow all the messengers? how did the previous scriptures become abrogated?
also, didn't the previous scriptures and prophets teach us the same message?
and i think the quran also talks about following previous scriptures. I don't know for sure.
but please answer my above questions.i agree with Kyle, if that wasn't obvious already.
Peace mate
The quraan never told us to follow the previous scriptures, it only told us to believe that Allah sent them
we are only ordered to follow the Quran
Salam
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Peace
I did see that but it is waste of time try to explain something to someone who do not believe that Qur'an is the divine revelations of Allah (SWT).
Mate
I advice that you convey the message then messure the ego and intelligence scale of the replys of your opponent, A Quran submitter should easily identify the hopeless cases through those two scales, and sure I donlt waste my time with hopeless cases
cheers
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Thank you Ahmed Bahgat. InshaAllah keep this in mind in future.
I really don't like this Australian slang Mate. ;D
Ok bro here is a list and you tell me what you like
- Mate
- Khai
- Sadiqi
- Friend
- Mister
LOL
you choose
cheers
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Thank you Ahmed Bahgat. InshaAllah keep this in mind in future.
I really don't like this Australian slang Mate. ;D
Ok bro here is a list and you tell me what you like
- Mate
- Khai
- Sadiqi
- Friend
- Mister
LOL
you choose
cheers
- Sadiqi real nice. ;D
Ok Sadiqi
Your wish is granted, Profiler 2006 has been updated
Salm Sadiqi
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Thank you Ahmed Bahgat. InshaAllah keep this in mind in future.
I really don't like this Australian slang Mate. ;D
Ok bro here is a list and you tell me what you like
- Mate
- Khai
- Sadiqi
- Friend
- Mister
LOL
you choose
cheers
- Sadiqi real nice. ;D
Ok Sadiqi
Your wish is granted, Profiler 2006 has been updated
Salm Sadiqi
Thank you Brother. )
BTW
Sadiqi means "my friend" in arabic
I know that much of Arabic now.
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BTW
Sadiqi means "my friend" in arabic
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Peace mate
The quraan never told us to follow the previous scriptures, it only told us to believe that Allah sent them
we are only ordered to follow the Quran
Salam
peace Ahmed, thank you for the explanation. But one more question. If God told us to follow what He sent us, then aren't the previous scriptures part of what God sent us?
I think what it all comes down to is verification. we must verify and understand everything before we follow it. -
Peace mate
The quraan never told us to follow the previous scriptures, it only told us to believe that Allah sent them
we are only ordered to follow the Quran
Salam
peace Ahmed, thank you for the explanation. But one more question. If God told us to follow what He sent us, then aren't the previous scriptures part of what God sent us?
I think what it all comes down to is verification. we must verify and understand everything before we follow it.Allah (SWT) has replaced the previous scriptures with Qur'an. If you read Qur'an with a faith it is divine revelation than there are more changes you will be able to understand the message.
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Peace mate
The quraan never told us to follow the previous scriptures, it only told us to believe that Allah sent them
we are only ordered to follow the Quran
Salam
peace Ahmed, thank you for the explanation. But one more question. If God told us to follow what He sent us, then aren't the previous scriptures part of what God sent us?
I think what it all comes down to is verification. we must verify and understand everything before we follow it.Mate
I see it this way
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The first scriptures were full of wisdom and guidance
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Allah gave the human the role of guarding it but they failed
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Allah sent the last guidance that have the same guidance revealed previously in addition to that new laws, and even new laws that overwrote laws in these old scriptures, like the laws of punishing the homos or the laws regarding adultry, Allah was clear that the Quran is "Muhaimen" on all other scriptures, i.e. it is far superior to all the previous scriptures, it is enough that Allah said He is in charge in guarding to make far superior to others scriptures which were gurded by the flawed humans who can't be trusted
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The Quran also stressed that those previous scriptures have been corrupted by sick humans, hence there is no obligation on humans to follow it as it is going to be hatrd to know which part is corrupt and which is not, no wonder He sent another message "The Quran" and no wonder that He is guarding it Himself because it is the last one He sent to us as the Quran told us "Khatim Al Anbiaa", i.e. there will be no more prophets to tell us Anbaa "News"
Regarding verification, well it is so easy to prove that Allah was 100% right when He told us in the Quran that humans corrupted the previous messages, therefore it is verified
now what else you are seeking to verfy, please don't tell me that you have to verify the existance of Allah
can you please give me a few examples fropm the Quran on things that we must verify?
cheers
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