Fighting in the cause of God
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Layth, remember she is 17............. D don't take it to serious....
that does not give him the right to ignore me.
Arnold you still have not said how you would define "fighting in the cause of God"...
why do you think i would? D
And elena, it was a joke. dear sugar knows that....she reminds me of my girlfriend.... D
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i hoped that the smily was clue enough
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I think al-quraan is the coolest. I've read some human philosophy and find them grasping at the reality of the human being. Al-quraan's discourse comes with a voice so sure of reality (and this assurance is justified) that it could only come from Allah and that is pretty darned cool.
being a controversial multiple meaning scripture that leads to so much problems in it's interpretation is NOT COOL.
Layth your a bloody tyrant (but i don't expect anything better from an Arab ),
In the words of David Brent (The Office 11) That's racist!
I quoted from the Quran to justify my hostility towards the Arabs.
Layth quoted a highly controversial verse when Enquirer was off-topic. And he accused me of hypocrisy because i disagreed with the context he used it in.
Aidid Safar was wrong here. Al-a'raabu as mentioned in 9/97 is opposite to 'ahlul-madeenah' as with the context (you like reading in context, right ? ) of 9/120. The word 'araab' referring to the Arab people can be found in 41/44, 16/103 etc. Its Aarab not al-a'raab.
come off it! That is the best translation i have ever seen of that verse ignore
He even explained why he translated it like that in his book.
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Peace,
You can\\\'t quote THAT verse in ordinary circumstances
If you have some knowledge to share on how and where the verse under diuscussion is to be used, then please share it...However, simply whinning about a verse because you may not like its application does not negate the fact that the verse exists and that believers in the book of the Almighty are obliged to accept it.
Layth your a bloody tyrant (but i don\\\'t expect anything better from an Arab ), you can\\\'t quote that particular verse whenever you feel like it ignoring the fact that the punishment must never be worse then the crime.
Hmm, I am a tyrant because you did not like a verse that was being quoted (should we just delete it with the help of our old friend Abu Huraira?)...
Better to be a tyrant than to pick & chose from God`s book.
`But then here you are killing each other and driving out a group of you from their homes; you act towards them with evil and animosity. And if they come to you as prisoners, you ransom them while it was forbidden for you to drive them out! Do you believe in some of the Scripture and disbelieve in some? The punishment for those amongst you who do so is humiliation in this worldly life, and on the Day of Resurrection they will be returned to the most severe retribution. God is not unaware of what you all do. (285)
9/97 The Arabs are very staunch in disbelief and hypocrisy. They do not regard the limits revealed by God to his messenger. And God is knowledgably and Judge. (translated by Aidid Safar)
Yes, birds of a feather do indeed flock together...Nice to see you quoting a racist to justify your own racism against arabic speaking people.
Had you had the integrity (which you lack) you would not dare play this game of twisting God`s verses into managled meanings so as to justify your own racist stand.
Aaraab = Nomads
Look-up the verses that use this occurance...Oh, I forgot, you only take that which you like and ignore/mangle that which does not serve your purpose.
Layth, remember she is 17............. don\\\'t take it to serious....
Would you bet on that?
Someone who lies about God and twsists His words can very easily lie about his identity.
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Sugarbeing a controversial multiple meaning scripture that leads to so much problems in it's interpretation is NOT COOL.
Al-quraan has a clear-cut method for its reader to acquire the right meaning. Controversy comes when we abandon this method in favour of methods we create ourselves. Wrongful interpretations always create contradictions.
I quoted from the Quran to justify my hostility towards the Arabs
No, you quoted Aidid's interpretation of an ayat. An interpretation he's unable to defend. I've personally forwarded this to him when I was part of the editorial team for the first edition of Arab Conspiracies.
come off it! That is the best translation i have ever seen of that verse
He even explained why he translated it like that in his book.
Then can YOU explain why, when al-quraan speaks of its language and the people who first recieves it, it uses a whole other word (Aarab instead of al-a'raabu). Can you explain why the 'al' is in 'al-a'raabu' when 'al' in Arabic cannot refer to a proper name? We need you to explain because Aidid cannot.
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Layth I can whine all i like >D
Not only are you accusing me of hypocrisy you are also accusing me of lying about god and telling porkies on the forum. You may be the Admin but that does not give you the right to act like a knobjockey!
`But then here you are killing each other and driving out a group of you from their homes; you act towards them with evil and animosity. And if they come to you as prisoners, you ransom them while it was forbidden for you to drive them out! Do you believe in some of the Scripture and disbelieve in some? The punishment for those amongst you who do so is humiliation in this worldly life, and on the Day of Resurrection they will be returned to the most severe retribution. God is not unaware of what you all do. (285)
I would NEVER do anything like that so why quote that o o o o o
imo that sounds more like you ignore
Someone who lies about God and twsists His words can very easily lie about his identity.
I?m a girl.
but then again you would probably accuse me of lying again!.
Arnold i am still waiting for your answer...
peace,
sugar -
Sugarbeing a controversial multiple meaning scripture that leads to so much problems in it's interpretation is NOT COOL.
Al-quraan has a clear-cut method for its reader to acquire the right meaning. Controversy comes when we abandon this method in favour of methods we create ourselves. Wrongful interpretations always create contradictions.
I quoted from the Quran to justify my hostility towards the Arabs
No, you quoted Aidid's interpretation of an ayat. An interpretation he's unable to defend. I've personally forwarded this to him when I was part of the editorial team for the first edition of Arab Conspiracies.
come off it! That is the best translation i have ever seen of that verse
He even explained why he translated it like that in his book.
Then can YOU explain why, when al-quraan speaks of its language and the people who first recieves it, it uses a whole other word (Aarab instead of al-a'raabu). Can you explain why the 'al' is in 'al-a'raabu' when 'al' in Arabic cannot refer to a proper name? We need you to explain because Aidid cannot.
okay you win...
Sorry Layth! groupbut the Quran is still not
coolit never has been and never will be.peace,
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And you can wait till you're old enough to vote....... D
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why? confused
peace,
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Sugar kay you win...
While it's not about 'winning', I'm very glad you see the point. I consider Aidid to be an excellent student of al-quraan and it was he who pushed the envelop some years ago. However, this racist interpretations of his really diminished his credibility.
but the Quran is still not
coolit never has been and never will be.Depends on your definition of cool. Since there's no furqaan about 'coolness', there's no basis for argument.
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Sorry Layth!
It does not bother me what you have said (I have been called worse)...And I am surely no angel
What did bother me was the way you allowed your negative feelings towards arab speaking people to quote Aidid who altered God`s words to say what God never said.
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I consider Aidid to be an excellent student of al-quraan and it was he who pushed the envelop some years ago.
'Simple' sent me a copy of his book. From what I have read so far it is very good.
However, this racist interpretations of his really diminished his credibility.
i disagree....
On that last paragraph on the introduction of the book he says;
"Most importantly I do not wish to cause offence to any reader and i would be grateful if this aspect of my delivery were regarded as deriving purely from the strength of my conviction"peace,
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why? confused
peace,
sugarkidding girl...
My view is that there are several layers of fighting.
- Self-defense. This psychical fighting and only is allowed as selfdefense, but also as take out enemies of freedom before they outtake you, but only when you're a 100% sure they're threat.
2.fighting for the message of the Quran to be spread and accepted. So this includes an indeep study of the message, and how it is connected with todays life. And then talk with people about the message. So to make the message avaible as well approachable. So it is also a fight for knowledge and truth before you can spread the message, first step 1 before you can move on to step 2 (spreading the message)
3.fighting against yourself. The fight against parts of your Self that holds you back and keep you in stagnation. So you have to learn and understand yourself, and learn how to use your talents and abbilities to the best. Fight for your growth.
Peace
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Thanks Arnold )
Sorry Layth!
It does not bother me what you have said (I have been called worse)...And I am surely no angel
What did bother me was the way you allowed your negative feelings towards arab speaking people to quote Aidid who altered God`s words to say what God never said.
yea i apologize again...
no hard feelings, eh? -*
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Sugar 'Simple' sent me a copy of his book. From what I have read so far it is very good.
It is a good book and if you knew Aidid, you'd know he's the kind of guy who deserves to be the one who discovered (perhaps 'rediscovered' this. The kind of guy who doesn't give a toss what anyone thinks of his beliefs, no awe for anyone except God.
disagree....
On that last paragraph on the introduction of the book he says;
"Most importantly I do not wish to cause offence to any reader and i would be grateful if this aspect of my delivery were regarded as deriving purely from the strength of my convictionWhat I meant was, he lost a lot of potential support due to his racist views. I'm sure he is as sincere as he claims.
