3 Salat Times
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peace rifat
first of all good questions.
why do we have trouble understanding the basic message in the quran? what could we do to gain a better understanding of the quran issues concerning salat, and etc...
I will say that we're all different. We are not robots and God created us that way. That is why for me what's a great movie, to you maybe the worst movie ever. It's point of view, our points of view are different, so one can take things different than others.
if salat is not performed are we unlimately disobeying allah? is it in the quran for the rejecters of those who do not bow down facing K'aaba a painful retribution?
Yes you are disobeying Allah. It's not in the quran specifically that those who do not bow down facing Ka'aba are facing retribution. Let me recall to you the history of satan, he disobeyed his Lord once, and he was a rejecter immediately. Remember he believes in God alone. We are told by God to 'bow down' and we are told by God to 'face the kaa'ba'. There's no options in submission to God. There's the option to submit or not to. But in the state of submission you cannot disobey a single order.
God bless
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peace wakas
in what sense do you not agree?
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peace, imran
Yes you are disobeying Allah. It's not in the quran specifically that those who do not bow down facing Ka'aba are facing retribution. Let me recall to you the history of satan, he disobeyed his Lord once, and he was a rejecter immediately. Remember he believes in God alone. We are told by God to 'bow down' and we are told by God to 'face the kaa'ba'. There's no options in submission to God. There's the option to submit or not to. But in the state of submission you cannot disobey a single order.
i have read a lot of verses that deals with "and kneel with those who kneel" and "perform the salat/contribute towards betterment". here is my question which part of the quran states HOW to perform the salat like a verse that mentions that bowing down facing k'aaba and prostrating is part of salat?
about disobeying allah, i think it is those SPECIFIC LAWS in the quran which is beneficial and often ignored, which leads to human failure and demise.
peace, rifat
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salam rifat
I forgot to mention one another thing. There's a difference between a submitter (muslim) The verses that talk about observing salat are for the Mumins.
Muslims are the ones who submit to the laws of the Almighty. Then once they get good at that, they progress to become 'faithful'. Mumin get raised to higher ranks in the hereafter.Your questions should be answered here
http//www.islaam.faithweb.com/salaat.html
This is the best article on Salat that i have read. All based on the Quran alone.
Specifically the 3 compulsory acts include
- Standing (25.64)
- Bowing (48.29)
- Prostrating (both 25.64 and 48.29)
BTW the order of facing the Ka'aba is in 2144 and also continued in 2149 and 2150.
about disobeying allah, i think it is those SPECIFIC LAWS in the quran which is beneficial and often ignored, which leads to human failure and demise.
Exactly. We know that God is not in need of us. Which means anything he tells us to do is for our own good! Remember God wants us to win in the end. Quran is our guide towards victory. So whenever I see a law in the Quran that's how i look at it If it benefits me then I ask how? That's really important in helping us surrender to the laws of the Almighty.
God bless
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peace
Because when Adam and Eve fell from the Garden of Eden, they pleaded with God to forgive them. Then it is said;
Then Adam received words from His LORD, so He redeemed him; Surely He is the Redeemer, The Merciful. Surrat ul Baqarrah, 2.37
That is why we do salaat - so that God may redeem us all. We received words from him, seven most-repeated verses which every Muslim includes in his salaat to God. They make up the first chapter of the Qur'an, Al Fateha(The Opening.) Its believed that Adam received same words from God. Because Adam built originally the first place of prostration(which is now the ka`bah) it would make sense that they are the same or similar words of that which he had received.
This is from the article.
Are you sure a Christian didn't write this?
I don't think it is a good article at all. Too many assumptions based on hadith.The word Al Salaat in `arabic comes from the word "to link"(el salawa) which is what Muslims understand salaat to be; a link between God and Man. This link refers to, obviously, a spiritual link instead of a physical one.
OK. Why not take that as a base to understand Salaat.
The author goes back to the traditional meaning of "prayer" and starts again from there. Why?
If you can't break away from corrupt hadith interpretations, if you can't understand the quran through it's context, you will never know what it's talking about. -
peace phoenix
yeah this is definitely traditional and hadith based. Quran tells us that Abraham (w/ his son) built it.
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peace,
why do we have trouble understanding the basic message in the quran? what could we do to gain a better understanding of the quran issues concerning salat, and etc...
Our activities are not without purpose/meaning/benefit. When we understand why we have to do a thing, it will become easy to comprehend how we have to do it.
Allah is talking to intelligent creatures and the language is very simple - all we need to do is to understand why we have to pray then we will know the best way to do it.
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`So be patient to what they are saying and glorify the grace of your Lord before the rising of the sun, and before its setting and during the night glorify; *and at the edges of the day, so that you may be content. (20130)
- Edges of the day are the times of sunrise and sunset, so I am not clear what this repition means?
Peace Layth.
TARAF means a side of a thing in which case the edge is the extreme end of the side.
When I divide the day into two sides, I have the left as well as the right sides which I could refer to as Left Taraf and Right Taraf accordingly.
The verse you quoted above mentioned ATRAF and not TARAFAYN like in the other verse of Timing.
If we divide the day into 3 parts, we have ATRAF. If you interprete the ATRAF to mean after the Prostrations as it is mentioned in the other verse, then you get the interpretation as follows Glorify Allah during the 3 Salaat and after the 3 Salaat.
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Peace,
Your questions should be answered here
http//www.islaam.faithweb.com/salaat.html
This is the best article on Salat that i have read. All based on the Quran alone.
An interesting read...I only disagree with the final section on the # of units as they have been explained in the Scripture as being 2 (1 if shortened).
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peace layth
I only disagree with the final section on the # of units as they have been explained in the Scripture as being 2 (1 if shortened).
not necessarily they can be more than 2. IMO At least 2 (depending on circumstances). I think just 5 minutes isn't asking a lot for GOD ALMIGHTY. The quran tells us that in the case of war they shortened their salat, but is that shortage in time? or units?
Glorify Allah during the 3 Salaat and after the 3 Salaat.
My understanding is you glorify God as much as you can, while sitting down, laying down, on your sides, etc... Constantly remembering God and Glorifying him. Since that guards us against evil and puts us in the best place to do righteous works etc.....
3191 Those who remember God while standing, and sitting, and on their sides, and they ponder in the creation of the heavens and the Earth "Our Lord you did not create this without purpose, be You glorified, spare us the retribution of the Fire!"
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Peace,
But does it really says that we shall bow down physically? And what good does that do to you? To bow down physically it feels like I'm doing idolworship of the ground or something else around me.
But to bow down with my soul is different, haven't you heard of that sayings, I have laid down the whole of my soul into this....
And I must say that I agree with Layth about his new findings, I have myself had this understandings for awhile but don't share it with someone. But I was thinking that the night timings was for the mumins not for the muslims. So I had had this understandings of 2 salat times for muslims.
Peace Sis Maria
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peace Maria, all
if you are referring to the article about the physical bowing and prostrating, let me tell you that the article isn't that good. read my previous post about it.
I'm leaning more towards 2 salat times than 3. but i havn't decided yet. But again, knowing the times is useless if we don't know what salat is. -
Peace Sister Omeiza,
Excellent ijtihad on your part. By breaking down the arabic in the aya you have made it quite simple for others to understand exactly how many salawat are needed during the daytime hours. May God Bless you and increase your knowledge! I have posted a link to your post in another thread where we are debating the same issue. Please chime in over there as well if you have any more insights to other ayat that were mentioned in that thread.
Here is the link to that thread
http//www.free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=6028.msg93713#msg93713
Peace All
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peace
But does it really says that we shall bow down physically? And what good does that do to you? To bow down physically it feels like I'm doing idolworship of the ground or something else around me.
To me, its both MENTAL and PHYSICAL. I am NOT worshipping the ground, I am worshipping GOD. The act of bowing and prostrating are ways of showing my submission to God. Tell me when in the Quran it says on the Day of resurrection
A. All the angels will be kneeling
B. Whoever God is speaking to will fall prostrate... is this not physical?
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peace waleed
did you read Wakas' article?
http//mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/think-786/quran_on_salat.htm
This next one is defining what IS salat
http//mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/think-786/slw.htm
BTW, he also believes in the 2 salat theory.
Also read the thread that Soul2Squeeze posted above if you haven't already.
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peace Imran,
yes, i read Wakas's article.
I think what Damon (right?) says about Salat being different things depending on context is correct. Kind of like the whole Jinn thing.
I always thought that Salat was anything that you do to "connect" with God.
What Kyle says about the importance of the timings being sunrise and sunset makes sense. That's why i think the 2 time salat makes more sense.what soul2squeeze said about Omeiza's interpretation I can't comment on since it has to do with the arabic of the verses.
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also, i don't think prostrating is physical.
It's a metaphor for obeying/submitting. physical prostration does nothing to your INNER self, the part that counts. It is only to SHOW others. Your physical prostration can be a lie, your mental prostration cannot be. -
not if you are not praying in front of people....
What you should've said was
MY phsyical prostration does nothing to MY inner-self.
However, to me MY physical prostration helps me grow inside.
"Each his own." Speak for yourself....
