Exposing The 3 Salaat Theory
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As Salaamu Alaykum To All Muslims
There has been an increasing divide among Muslims who follow Qur'aan ALONE on the amount of times we are suppose to perform Salaat. A small group or fraction of Muslims teach that Allah only authorized 3 Salaat times in the Qur'aan while the rest of the Muslims who follow Qur'aan ALONE and the entire Muslim world teach that Allah authorized 5 Salaat times or periods in the Qur'aan. We want all Muslims (no matter what persuasion you come from) to know that TAWHIYD has completed their extensive research on this heated subject and have laid to rest the FINAL ARGUMENT. We have dissected the "3 Salaat Theory" and intellectually DESTROYED it, beyond doubt. Visit the link below to examine yourself
http//www.freewebs.com/tawhiyd/3salaattheoryexposed.htm
Salaam
Slm, Al-Khidr,
At first when I read your article, I thought...dude...this is BS, but after a few more looks I was convinced that there are 5 salaat in the Quran.
Thanks, man.
Advice to the others look at the article with an open minds, otherwise you will not really understand it just like me at the first time, because i was too stuck and convinced with the 3 salaat theory.
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Peace to all,
Pray God to guide us, we all looking for truth.
the 5 prayers supporters, declare the following
(1) The Dawn Prayer (Fajr) given in 11114, 2458
(2) The Noon Prayer (Zuhr), given in 1778 and 3018
(3) The Afternoon Prayer (Asr), given in 2238
(4) The sunset Prayer (Maghrib), given in 11114
(5) The Night Prayer (Isha), given in 2458Now one question is rising , does 3018 really talk about the Zuhr prayer?
3017
So (give) glory to Allah, when ye reach eventide and when ye rise in the morning;
3018
In 3017 verse start by FA SUBHANA, God commands to do smth in this case to glorify him
while in 3018 WA LAHU AL HAMD means to him is ALHAMD in the heavens and on earth; and in the late afternoon and when the day begins to decline.Let's see what the other verses says
(1) The Dawn Prayer (Fajr) given in 11114 start with AQIMO SALATA it is a command , 2458 refer to the prayer and then there is no ambiguity.
(2)Zuhr see comment above
(3) The Afternoon Prayer (Asr), given in 2238In 238 verse start by HAFIDHU, it is a command "Preserve\Take care etc", salat AL WUSTA--> it is a command what ever salat AL WASTA is.
(4) The sunset Prayer (Maghrib), given in 11114 same as (1)
(5) The Night Prayer (Isha), given in 2458 same as point 1 (1) refer to the prayer and then there is no ambiguityConclusion
to my humble understanding and seeking protection to God against Satan the bannished, I do understand that everytime God in the Quran command us to pray, the verses clearly start with a command while 3018 is not a command.
Please give me feedback, clarify, help, together we will find the right path.
Peace
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Salaam all, herbman
verse 3017
So (give) glory to Allah, when ye reach eventide and when ye rise in the morning;
I would interpret it as glory be to God....
But that's not the problem, as one can understand it the way you put it. It's the phrase of which is an expression meaning "all the time". It's still in use in the expression " " (morning and evening) and it means all the day; all the time.My argument for 2 salaats is verse 2458 where the fajr and 3ishaa salat are mentioned by name during a whole day of an average person. No other slaat is ever mentioned by name in the whole quraan.
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There is no exposing the 3 salaat "theory". Gods (sunna) does not change. (1777) And in judaism, and christianity, you will also find 3 prayers.
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Samia,
I think you make a good point in pointing out that 2458 only mentions two salaahs, if there were three, then surely it would have been given a mention in this verse.
It is becoming increasingly apparent to me that "wustaa" need not be exclusively interpreted as a preposition, and a temporal one at that.
My understanding of salah, in my studies, is far from resolved.
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Peace all, Samia
In a previous post I've put this
Salam to all,about Salat AL WUSTA what do you think about this verse 629
Yusuf Ali O ye who believe! when the call is proclaimed to prayer on Friday (the Day of Assembly), hasten earnestly to the Remembrance of Allah, and leave off business (and traffic) that is best for you if ye but knew!
This can only be during the day, not al fajr neither at sun down it has to be somewhere in the middle.
This is to reject the assertion of 2 prayers a day!Allah best knows
I know we are talking about the congregational prayer occuring during the day.
So for you the congregational prayer is an extra prayer?????
Peace
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So for you the congregational prayer is an extra prayer?????
Peace
Salaam herbman, all
Fajr and isha salats are to be performed in solitude without the person engaged in them being interrupted. This is the opposite of the congregational salaat, where it's done with others, during the day and it should interrupt business. I do not think it has to be done everyday, (and interrupt business everyday), but on the day of gathering. So, yes, it's an extra salaat (not daily, if this is what you mean). -
Peace all, Samia
In a previous post I've put this
Salam to all,about Salat AL WUSTA what do you think about this verse 629
Yusuf Ali O ye who believe! when the call is proclaimed to prayer on Friday (the Day of Assembly), hasten earnestly to the Remembrance of Allah, and leave off business (and traffic) that is best for you if ye but knew!
This can only be during the day, not al fajr neither at sun down it has to be somewhere in the middle.
This is to reject the assertion of 2 prayers a day!Allah best knows
I know we are talking about the congregational prayer occuring during the day.
So for you the congregational prayer is an extra prayer?????
Peace
I agree with you that this disproves the 2 salaat theory, since this (to me) CLEARLY points out a prayer being during the day.
Peace
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Peace everyone,
Fajr and isha salats are to be performed in solitude without the person engaged in them being interrupted. This is the opposite of the congregational salaat, where it's done with others, during the day and it should interrupt business.
Evidence from the qur'aan to support this statement will be appreciated. This is completely false as far as my understanding of these salaats is concerned. Both these salaats can be performed alone or in congregation.
"On day of gathering" and "cease all business" in 629 does not mean "during the daytime".
In many countries many businesses are ROUTINELY conducted until late at night so "day of gathering" and "cease all business" in 629 does not necessarily mean daytime. The 3isha salaat can interrupt the business being conducted at dusk. "Yawm" does not mean only daytime but refers to the whole 24 hour day or a time period as used in the qur'aan. The word for daytime is "nahaar" as used in the qur'aan.
I do not think it has to be done everyday, (and interrupt business everyday), but on the day of gathering. So, yes, it's an extra salaat (not daily, if this is what you mean).
No, it does not necessarily mean an extra salaat. That is just a personal conjecture. I am conducting business on the day of gathering, and during dusk I hear the call to the 3isha salaat; I should cease my business and hasten to the salaat. This is what I hear in 629.
It seems very odd that God would mention "yawm al-jum'a" and then not give us any clue as to when that day is. In my understanding He does tell us which day is the day of gathering/assembly and that is when all mankind gathers/assembles for hajj. Please see the following post
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=12309.msg96387#msg96387
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Salaam all, herbman
verse 3017
So (give) glory to Allah, when ye reach eventide and when ye rise in the morning;
I would interpret it as glory be to God....
But that's not the problem, as one can understand it the way you put it. It's the phrase of which is an expression meaning "all the time". It's still in use in the expression " " (morning and evening) and it means all the day; all the time.My argument for 2 salaats is verse 2458 where the fajr and 3ishaa salat are mentioned by name during a whole day of an average person. No other slaat is ever mentioned by name in the whole quraan.
I agree. It says Glory to God and not glorify God although it could be understood that way but thats not what it says.
However the 2 salat is not necessarily fajr and evening as there are verses that says to pray during the ends of the day till nightfall. Fajr could be the begining of one the ends and evening is the end of the other end. Between them is a long time. So even if you take 2 salats, it does not mean fajr and Isha, it could be morning and afternoon. The verse about the two ends of the day tells more since lays what are the times of the salat while the verse about fajr and isha simply says how the prophet and his companions were performing at the time. There is nothing that say it has to be at those specific time.
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I take it as fajr and isha, being the only necessary prayers, and that these are the ends of the day. I also take it that the prayer times extend into the darkness of night that approximate these two times. So, night before sunrise, sunrise twilight and sunrise is the time for fajr. And as the sunsets, sunset twilight and the night directly after sunset is the time for 'Isha. That's how I see it.
Godbless,
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Peace Anwar,
I take it as fajr and isha, being the only necessary prayers, and that these are the ends of the day. I also take it that the prayer times extend into the darkness of night that approximate these two times. So, night before sunrise, sunrise twilight and sunrise is the time for fajr. And as the sunsets, sunset twilight and the night directly after sunset is the time for 'Isha. That's how I see it.
Thank you for this understanding. This would explain the usage of "zulafan min al-layl" in 11114 meaning 3 or more parts of the night
2 parts for isha = sunset twilight + darkness of night close to sunset twilight
2 parts for fajr = sunrise twilight + preceding darkness close to the sunrise twilightIn addition to that, the two ends of the daytime have to be the ones approximating the near parts of the night. The usage of "atraaf al-nahaar" in 20130 implies there are 3 or more edges of the daytime and 11114 clarifies which two edges of the daytime; the ones approximating the near parts of the night.
Peace and The God bless.
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Peace Anwar,
Thank you for this understanding. This would explain the usage of "zulafan min al-layl" in 11114 meaning 3 or more parts of the night
2 parts for isha = sunset twilight + darkness of night close to sunset twilight
2 parts for fajr = sunrise twilight + preceding darkness close to the sunrise twilightIn addition to that, the two ends of the daytime have to be the ones approximating the near parts of the night. The usage of "atraaf al-nahaar" in 20130 implies there are 3 or more edges of the daytime and 11114 clarifies which two edges of the daytime; the ones approximating the near parts of the night.
Peace and The God bless.
fajr and Isha is the time the poeple then prayed. The Koran did not say thats when to pray. It tells us when to pray as at the two ends of the nahar, meaning daylight, and then to night. The two ends of daylight are morning and afternoon. Fajr is the earliets time for that and Isha are the latest time. Thats how I see it. Since fajr is still morning and night is still after daylight. The the Koran mentions the two extremes. It does not mean its only two, it just mentions the two extremes. Thats how I see it.
And when Daniel knew that the writing was signed, he went into his house; (now his windows were open in his chamber toward Jerusalem and he kneeled upon his knees three times a day, and prayed, and gave thanks before his God, as he did aforetime. Daniel 6-10
, - ; , . Psalms 17 As for me, I will call upon God; and the LORD shall save me.
, ; . Pslams 18 Evening, and morning, and at noon, will I complain, and moan; and He hath heard my voice
These indicate three, but notice the timings, morning, noon and night. This is what I meant by fajr and Isha being the two extremes. There is no verse in the Koran that says it has to be fajr and isha. Just because these are whats mentioned does not mean that these are the only times. The Koran says there was one angel that came to Mary. But later says there was more than one. It never said only one angel came. Then we could say its contradictory. The Koran says that if the disbelievers would pay the worth of this world twice that would not escape them from punishment, it does not mean that if they pay three times as much they will escape the punishment. The lack of something mentioned does not mean it does not exist.
I see it as the two ends of daytime, fajr at one extreme and after noon as the other. Then the third from sunrise to night time(Darkness). But two is also Ok and so is 5. Depending on your length of prayer.
And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask Him. (Matthew 65-
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Peace,
I am not concerned with what the Bible says about the prophets -God bless them all- but with what the prophets actually say in the Bible. So I do not take that Biblical passage about Daniel praying 3 times a day as any evidence. Sorry. In the case of prayer you are gonna have to stick to the Quran and the Classical Arabic language for me to take your points seriously. And Im only talking about prayer here. Nothing else. No offense.
Godbless,
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Peace Anwar,
Thank you for this understanding. This would explain the usage of "zulafan min al-layl" in 11114 meaning 3 or more parts of the night
2 parts for isha = sunset twilight + darkness of night close to sunset twilight
2 parts for fajr = sunrise twilight + preceding darkness close to the sunrise twilightIn addition to that, the two ends of the daytime have to be the ones approximating the near parts of the night. The usage of "atraaf al-nahaar" in 20130 implies there are 3 or more edges of the daytime and 11114 clarifies which two edges of the daytime; the ones approximating the near parts of the night.
Peace and The God bless.
Nice observation with "zulufan min al layl"
But in 20130 "atraf" means "(three or more) parts". "Taraf" can mean "end, edge, terminal, extremity, part, etc."
It's always what fits the context best. There are no 3 ends of the day, only two. -
Nice observation with "zulufan min al layl"
But in 20130 "atraf" means "(three or more) parts". "Taraf" can mean "end, edge, terminal, extremity, part, etc."
It's always what fits the context best. There are no 3 ends of the day, only two.Salaam
This plural word "atraaf" means
Start of the day = first end
End of first halft and start of second half of the day (noon) = Second end
End of the day = Third end
The verse may may be pointing to
_Fajar Prayer
-Zohar prayer
-Asr prayer
Just an idea
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Peace all, Samia
In a previous post I've put this
Salam to all,about Salat AL WUSTA what do you think about this verse 629
Yusuf Ali O ye who believe! when the call is proclaimed to prayer on Friday (the Day of Assembly), hasten earnestly to the Remembrance of Allah, and leave off business (and traffic) that is best for you if ye but knew!
This can only be during the day, not al fajr neither at sun down it has to be somewhere in the middle.
This is to reject the assertion of 2 prayers a day!Allah best knows
I know we are talking about the congregational prayer occuring during the day.
So for you the congregational prayer is an extra prayer?????
Peace
What is your opinion of the timings/amount of prayers?
