Translation of `Jinn`

unknownuser

Peace be upon you,

Question- Why are men and stones fuel for hellfire and not "jinn"?

unknownuser

Peace be upon you Nabster,

Just an idea
Can water be fuel for a fire, no.
Maybe because of their different composition.

Jinn are made from fire. If you are trying to incorrectly use the verse that all beings are made from water, then that would men that humans (also made from water) won't burn either. So lets do away with that foolishness. )

I know you dont like to think symbolically, but I ask you to think about water, fire and clay. Think about the potter. It stars with soil, water must be added in order to form it and shape it, and heat applied to it makes it STIFF/unable to be formed and shaped.

Water is likened to revelation, that which softens the heart for change.

Anyway, we can revisit that in another thread.

As for those who believe in Jinns as being fantasies, of course the question does not even present itself...

Sure it does, it is the fantasies that one makes up that becomes thier beliefs and hardens them to any change, and this message is about CHANGE of behavior.

Allah said He will fill Gehenna with both Jinns and Innss, so it will be intesting and fitting that humans and stones will be the fuel that is used to also punish the jinns

inns and jinns are two parts of a whole, the visable and invisable parts of the same thing. But when the talk of being burned comes about, you cannot burn that which is not visable. Jinn seems to be replaced with STONE. Isnt it fire that hardens the clay? Just think about it.

unknownuser

Peace be upon you Ahmed,

Laughter relives the tension of those who have no logical response. Just like those who passed by Nuh as he put all the pieces together. I am sure you will watse a whole page now on a post trying to drag us back to superstition. I'll grab my pillow.

unknownuser

Peace Kyle,

I know you dont like to think symbolically, but I ask you to think about water, fire and clay. Think about the potter. It stars with soil, water must be added in order to form it and shape it, and heat applied to it makes it STIFF/unable to be formed and shaped.

Water is likened to revelation, that which softens the heart for change.

Poetry and symbolism is beautiful and takes great courage and intelligence to understand. Wonderfully said.

unknownuser

Adding further to the above, now think about water, clay and heat mixing to become sticky substance clinging together to form a "shape" and then a "soul" is blown into it, thereby a generation of such "shapes" are started, from birth to adulthood and then its passing away. After their 'death', these "shapes" are reborn, hence the resurrection and the process continues. Reminds me of certain sentences in the Quran as eloquently narrated by some poets in veneration of these 'formed shapes'. Arabs were well known for their poetry which were later collected and written down by other entusiasts and later compiled to become part of a book called Quran.

unknownuser

Danish my heart bleeds for you to see it led astray so very much.
I feel so very sorry for you to be incapable to accept the truth of the Quran...
You should not be haunting this forum, but hanging around some agnostic forums where you can spurt out your venom all your heart full.
God guides you out of the darkness you are drowned in...
Nabster out

And I feel sorry for those who have called you a "walking quran" when you don't have any legs to stand on to.

unknownuser

Peace be upon you Ahmed,

Laughter relives the tension of those who have no logical response. Just like those who passed by Nuh as he put all the pieces together. I am sure you will watse a whole page now on a post trying to drag us back to superstition. I'll grab my pillow.

Peace bro,

I'm not tensioned really, I was laughing at the nonsense you stated, and sure there will be no response to any nonsense posted here, do you think I will waste my time with Allah words manipulators?, well i always give them a chance first untill I know exactly what they are, then Profiler 2006 takes over

but really bro, i was not aware of your comment unttil i received an eamil from a member here telling me how wrong you are and even showed me the verse that refutes your nonsense and your conjectured allegations regarding the Quran and the Arabic language, no surprise your ignorance in Arabic is exposing your nensense fair and square

unknownuser

And I feel sorry for those who have called you a "walking quran" when you don't have any legs to stand on to.

Hi

while the comment is not for me, I would like to add a comment, I would say a walking Quran is a metaphor, right?

man you see things on that this web site that really crack me laughing

are you going to debate me regarding the Quran or you don't have the energy to handle my extreme pressure?, LOL

Salam

unknownuser

Let's have a break from this subject and read some wise words by Harun Yahya that truely describes many on this web site

Allah has revealed in detail the kind of moral values people should have and the kind of lives they should lead. True moral values dictate that one lives scrupulously by Allah?s commandments.

Some people, however, avoid living by these moral values. They are strongly unwilling to submit fully to His stipulations. But seek to establish a model that will satisfy their own desires. To that end, they come up with various rules and principles of their own, and imagine that religion should also be compatible with these principles. They are willing to live by religious moral values only as far as these are compatible with their own standards and logic. Yet this is a grave error and deception, because true religious moral values are those revealed by Allah, not as interpreted and lived by human beings.

Salam

unknownuser

Excellent quote Bro Ahmed. All these metaphor arguments are a waste of time.
Allah gave examples for people to follow guidance, and they find all kinds of excuses to pretend they understand differently what is plain and clear, so that they can do what they wish... And Allah knows the tricks of humans... Closer to us than our "habl alwarid", and He knows what our nafs whispers to us...
Peace

Salam mate,

The Quran told us about those bro, and you feel that the message is for those who believe heart and soul in the Quran as the true and unchanged words of Allah

43- Have you seen him who takes his desires for his god? Will you then be a protector over him?

44- Or do you think that most of them do hear or understand? They are nothing but as cattle; nay, they are straying farther off from the path.

(43)
(44)

-> Now if they have a problem with the above, I guess they should take it directly to its Author when you give account if they believe they will ever give one, but I guess if they believe there is no account then they should not worry about anything and continue their eternal path of learning in this so called eternal life.

But I have to convey to them, that the same warning was repeated

Then seest thou such a one as takes as his god his own vain desire? Allah has, knowing (him as such), left him astray, and sealed his hearing and his heart (and understanding), and put a cover on his sight. Who, then, will guide him after Allah (has withdrawn Guidance)? Will ye not then receive admonition?

(23)

-> Please pay much attention to ? left him astray, and sealed his hearing and his heart (and understanding), and put a cover on his sight Who, then, will guide him after Allah (has withdrawn Guidance)??, well, I guess this is what you expect from Allah for them after they insist on rejecting/manipulating the Quran as the last message and warning from our One and Only God, or do you think they deserve to be guided?

-> They do not be upset with the ones like us because as they know that I?m one who believes spiritually and physically that the Quran is the exact and preserved words of Allah, and because I believe in it as many do, they can?t really be upset with me. I?m not upset with them, I just conveye the Quran message to the public that clearly refute their nonsense

Salam mate

PS , for the people who has good morals and don?t believe in the Quran, I?m sorry for them, Allah told us in the Quran that the belief in the Quran is a requirement along with the good morals

unknownuser

Peace be upon you,

Well, I guess to you your fairy tale ghosts which can never be verified, and to me the hidden thoughts/fantasies which are verified by every single human at all times.

unknownuser

Peace be upon you,

Well, I guess to you your fairy tale ghosts which can never be verified, and to me the hidden thoughts/fantasies which are verified by every single human at all times.

Peace

Now it is your turn to inform us how every human verified that Jinn are our egos

Salam

Tay

Peace Nabster, all,

You stated

May God leads us away from any dangerous nonsense...

I find it fascinating that folks such as yourself can label these understandings as dangerous nonsense and yet uphold the understanding that invisible creatures are roaming the Earth.

Further, you belittle the idea of "God being in and part of everything", yet offer no explanation to "And to God belongs the east and the west, so wherever you turn, there is God?s presence."

Is that a metaphor?

5016 And We have created man and We know what his soul whispers to him, and We are closer to him than his jugular vein.

How about that one? Is it a metaphor or is God literally closer to us than the jugular vein? If it's a metaphor, then how do you explain it, and what gave you the authority to see it as a metaphor? If not, then God is certainly in and part of everything, right?

Peace,
Tay

unknownuser

peace tay

then God is certainly in and part of everything, right?

this metaphor is about God's omnipresence not that he's necessarily in and part of everything (could be, couldn't be) its not my place to assume that w/o 100% knowledge (no shot directed at you dear brother) Of course i can be very wrong

God bless

phoenix1

peace

Our soul is what connects us to God. Our soul is eternal, it never dies, it just moves on.
If you look at it, nothing dies. Everything is energy and energy never dies, it just changes from one form to another.
There is nothing lunatic and damaging about that. It's fact.

Tay

Peace Nabster,

You stated,

So when a man dies part of God dies with him!

No. As Phoenix stated, nothing really dies. The energy that we call the human body decays and re-manifests. But the animating energy of that human body leaves the confines of the material, "and to God is it's return".

I thought this was settled by the Quran once and for all when Allah admonished the Christians about the trinity belief!

Trinity and unity are not the same.

We and all the Universes are but projections of Allah's will.

Then where is Allah? How can Allah be closer than the jugular vein, yet not be within? Isn't the jugular vein in the middle of the throat? Whether you see this symbolically or literally, the picture is still the same.

How can a Creator be a part of His creature, it does not make sense even logically

The universe coming from nothing does not make sense logically. Yet here we are. I am not a slave to logic, despite your ramblings. But the universe was created with a logical construct that exists within the fabric of the divine energy. We were given a logical mind to understand the logical constructs, and a spiritual compass to grasp what transcends logic. Logically, the big bang was the beginning of the end of the last big bang, ad infinitum. Spiritually, this is it.

Omnipresent Present everywhere simultaneously.
Omniscient One having total knowledge.
Omnipotent Having unlimited or universal power, authority, or force; all-powerful

Now tell me, Nabster, how can God hold these attributes if God is not everywhere? Please save your outrage and present an argument.

By the way I am a symbolist and a literalist

Excellent.

either taken to their extremes can be at best nonsensical and at worst lunacy and very damaging.

I agree.

Peace,
Tay

arnoldyasin

Peace,

Nabster, read my article on this

http//www.free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=5371.msg79533#msg79533

arnoldyasin

Peace,

Yes, in 2115 He clearly says He is everywhere. Only the All is unimaginable, the infinite All, to give God a position, place or form and so on is biblical nonsense.....God is not out there somewhere......God is everywhere, closer then our jugular vein, as everything is made out of Him, none can escape Him...

unknownuser

Dudes you are using up words made up by humans using logic made up by humans basing it on experience felt by humans, and Allah tells you He is different from everything you ever could imagine...

See bro, this is what Iblis is doing with them, he is fooling them to say on Allah what they don't know, this is Haram bro, and consequently it is considered a crime by Allah, here it is bro so no one say I made something Haram while it is not

Say My Lord has only prohibited indecencies, those of them that are apparent as well as those that are concealed, and sin and rebellion without justice, and that you associate with Allah that for which He has not sent down any authority, and that you say against Allah what you do not know.

(33)

Let?s analyse this crystal clear verse just in case it is hard for some

-> The verse starts by telling Mohammad to Say ? Say My Lord has only prohibited?, clearly the word used ?Harram?, i.e. ? prohibited ?, now here is what is Haram as read from this crystal clear verse

? ?, ? indecencies, those of them that are apparent as well as those that are concealed?
? ?, ? and sin?
? ?, ? and rebellion without justice?
? ?, ? and that you associate with Allah that for which He has not sent down any authority?
? ?, ? and that you say against Allah what you do not know.?

Now please tell me bro, how bloody plain is that?, come on, they bloody claim to have understood the Quran, hmmm, why they don?t understand the above then?, I can?t believe this bro, this is sort of they are trying hard to look smart, ok guys before you try to look smart here it is again, what Allah said that is HARAM from 733

? ?, ? and that you say against Allah what you do not know.?

Good night bro

arnoldyasin

Peace,

To God belong the East and the West. Wherever you turn the face/presence of God is everywhere All-pervading is He and all-knowing.