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Translation of `Jinn`

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    unknownuser
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    peace

    you dont see angels and jinns because they are a test of faith, if you saw them there would be nothing to believe and everything would be pointless. It's like if everybody could see God wouldn't they all believe?

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      unknownuser
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      Peace
      Respectfully
      I believe the Jinns issues are another ball game altogether.

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        phoenix1
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        you dont see angels and jinns because they are a test of faith, if you saw them there would be nothing to believe and everything would be pointless. It's like if everybody could see God wouldn't they all believe?

        everyone CAN see God.

        and how does not having invisible beings to blindly believe in make everything pointless?

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          unknownuser
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          Peace. The Believers are the ones who when the ignorant address them, they answer Peace - Quran ...

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            phoenix1
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            ooohh so I get it, everyone that disagrees with you is ignorant.

            nabster, you never answered my question. Is it possible for you to be wrong?

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              unknownuser
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              Peace

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                unknownuser
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                peace

                you dont see angels and jinns because they are a test of faith, if you saw them there would be nothing to believe and everything would be pointless. It's like if everybody could see God wouldn't they all believe?

                Exactly

                I can't believe those literalists who can't believe that they are hidden creatures as Allah told us

                for them you should see what exists, well do they see God?

                as you said bro it is all about testing the faith

                Cheers

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                  unknownuser
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                  Peace True Blue
                  Allah says in the Quran that the day a community will see Angels, that means their time of reckoning has come. This does not fit with the idea that Angels are not real beings. We will certainly see Angels at the time of our death.
                  PS I will not argue about Jinns as I got slapped by a mod about it...

                  Again bro, how those clear cut literalists can't see the verse you are talking about?

                  Cheers

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                    unknownuser
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                    Peace

                    Can I ask bro, why you are logging in as a guest?

                    Cheers

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                      phoenix1
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                      peace Ahmed,

                      Exactly

                      I can't believe those literalists who can't believe that they are hidden creatures as Allah told us

                      for them you should see what exists, well do they see God?

                      as you said bro it is all about testing the faith

                      Cheers

                      I see God, and I see God. Both literally and metaphorically.

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                        unknownuser
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                        peace Ahmed,

                        Exactly

                        I can't believe those literalists who can't believe that they are hidden creatures as Allah told us

                        for them you should see what exists, well do they see God?

                        as you said bro it is all about testing the faith

                        Cheers

                        I see God, and I see God. Both literally and metaphorically.

                        Peace bro

                        I think you mean metaphorically only because Allah can't be seen for real yet, no human sae Him for real yet

                        Salam

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                          phoenix1
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                          peace

                          You cannot see God, but you can see It's signs. The signs are everywhere (and not just in a book).

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                            unknownuser
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                            Good bro, then seeing Him is a metaphor only not literal

                            Cheers

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                              phoenix1
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                              OK.

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                                and how does not having invisible beings to blindly believe in make everything pointless?

                                ........arrogance ......., who said i 'blindly believe' .......thats right anything YOU dont agree with is blind belief right? you are just as close-minded as the sunnis, you just live under a different label. Don't confuse your point of view with the truth...

                                if you could prove to me (without abusing the Quran i.e. taking it out of context to fit your point of view) that these beings don't exist, i'd be more than happy to believe

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                                  phoenix1
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                                  peace Imran

                                  actually, when people have no reason to believe in something except their interpretation of a book, that is blind belief.
                                  How exactly do I prove that they DON'T exist. I've never seen them, never heard them, never felt them, not even a faint sign of them. And what beings are we talking about anyway?
                                  angels? those things with wings that live in clouds? well, the quran never mentions them. Malaika=controllers
                                  jinn? those things that eat animal dung and live in holes? well, the quran never mentions them either. Jinn=hidden

                                  I say blind because I see no evidence. You bring evidence, and I'll admit that their is something to these invisible creatures. That's how it works.

                                  I'm not confusing anything. You are the one bringing muslim and christian mythology into the quran.

                                  It's not even a matter of agreeing or disagreeing for me, because you are just giving us your beliefs and opinions. If there is no evidence, I have no reason to even consider that argument (especially when it makes no sense).

                                  And yes, I know. I am arrogant and I have no faith.

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                                    Peace be upon you,

                                    The God expects us to be able to prove God's system. Because an aspect of our being is HIDDEN, it does not mean it is unproveable. Our thoughts are hidden, but we all have thoughts that shape our behavior. And "religion" is about behavior shaping so certainly our thoughts are a big part of this system.

                                    Blind faith in unproveable beings has no place in this. Thats not a test of faith but a test of guilibility.

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                                      lovelymoslems
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                                      Good bro, then seeing Him is a metaphor only not literal

                                      Cheers

                                      I have seen god literaaly, he is New Phrophet sent by Him amongst us.

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                                        unknownuser
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                                        I've never seen them, never heard them, never felt them, not even a faint sign of them

                                        i will leave you two to amuse yourselves and boost your egos....i hope it makes you feel better to call me gullible.... whatever helps you sleep at night..... so have you seen God? What does he looks like? have you ever heard 'him'? 'felt' (physically as you applied) him?

                                        Blind faith in unproveable beings has no place in this. Thats not a test of faith but a test of guilibility.

                                        by that rationale the existence of God is a test of gullibility?

                                        since you ask for evidence, show me PHYSICAL evidence of God also show me PHYSICAL evidence of your hidden side

                                        p.s. i dont believe blindly in this book, there are more than enough ayahs in it to prove to me that it's divine....

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                                          phoenix1
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                                          peace

                                          So Imran K, you are saying that you see no signs (ayahs) of God around you? none?

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