Conditioning,upbringing and brainwashing...
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These people do science, not webdesign. but now that you have the names, you can look them up, at their respective workplaces (those change, the names doesnt). Their studies has been avaible in books since the early 70's.
so your telling me there is not one single site on the net to support their claim? o
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sugarThere are several, but as they are not written by the people in question, but people following their work, they are hardly evidence. If you want evidence, look up the people using e.g google. and several research papers will surface. Even more of you use a meta or science engine.
Peace
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Altso i have seen MDMA transform people to the better, for good. It is the only drug in the world that i know of, that can make people say "this stuff made me a better human". It has permanently removed fear of death in terminally sick people, enabeling them to talk openly with their familes about what is comming, making the last time better for all.
these people will die, they will not live so you can't see the adverse effects it will have on them. as for making people "better humans" confused how?
peace,
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Altso i have seen MDMA transform people to the better, for good. It is the only drug in the world that i know of, that can make people say "this stuff made me a better human". It has permanently removed fear of death in terminally sick people, enabeling them to talk openly with their familes about what is comming, making the last time better for all.
these people will die, they will not live so you can't see the adverse effects it will have on them. as for making people "better humans" confused how?
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sugarWrong, the effect is instant (within 15-45 minutes), and what it did with ill people was allow them to get over the fact that they where dying, and talk openly with their families about it, unlike before. As for making people better, I dont know, i havent taken it. But that is the repports im getting, and that i have been reading. It sums up in the fact that it opens something in the mind, that allows for easyer conversation, even with subjects that either hurt you, or those things you just cannot talk about for one illogical reason or another. By becomming more open, and more conversating, a lot of problems can be dealt with that couldnt be dealt with before. Thus...they become better people because of it. Or, if better is an annoying term. They get fixed.
peace
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Wrong, the effect is instant (within 15-45 minutes),
No I meant the long term adverse affects
And yes I know drugs can make you feel better but they can?t make you a better person as you first claimed. Just talk to an ex-addicts and they will tell you what they did to get the money they needed to pay their dealers.
Peace,
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oh yeah, i almost forgot to mention, magi the poison for food we get sold at the supermarket is something i can do nothing about, i either eat it or i starve... or alternatively live off grass.
Peace all
Is sugar addictive?
Peace salim O0
it's too addictive!! '(
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No I meant the long term adverse affects
THose tests are not possible in a controlled environment becasue of the illegal status of these substances. And those test that could have revealed possible long term effects have been stopped, for no reasons at all, other than the legal status.
And yes I know drugs can make you feel better but they can?t make you a better person as you first claimed.
the things i said in my last post are permanent changes. starting to take effect after 15-45 minutes. Whole patterns of thinking have been changed over night. litterally.
Just talk to an ex-addicts and they will tell you what they did to get the money they needed to pay their dealers.
we need to break this down in 2 parts.
Ex addicts administered medicine to themself. A substantial part of them due to a psychologically unstable situation to begin with. How well do you think it would work if all troubled people could administer themself to prozac or risperdal? They would turn into a wreck much faster than heroine could ever have done it.
the 2nd part is that the reason he had to do all that stuff, is because of its illegal status. If, e.g pot was legal, you could buy it at 10? a bale. Rather than 10? for a 6th of an ounce. can you see what really created his situation now? With a legal status he could be a drug addict for 25 bucks a month!
The reason the medicine lobby is hellbend on keeping most of this stuff down is because when applied correctly, these natural substances can provide lasting solutions relatively fast. Fast, lasting solutions is not money, But keeping people doped on drugs that creates strong addiction (like prozac and risperdal) have severe health issues related (more side effect medicine sold), and that you can own a patent, thus monopoly(rather than go out and pick it up in your garden), thats money! The alcohol loby has altso worked very hard to keep especially weed down. And when it was made illegal in the US (where it all started), it was actually because of racism. Mexicans smoked weed, so weed is bad, and when we all know that mexicans are evil, weed is evil. And from another angle i belive there are more sinister motives than just this. The only substance i have mentioned that is "not natural" is MDMA. But many suspect that just like Mescaline, LSD, and many other substances was synthesized to begin with, it too will be found in nature at some point like Mecaline was in catus, Lsd in a symbiosis living on grass. Its effect when applied as what it is, medecine, is not something you can just shun. All wrong use of anything leads to trouble and dispair.
oh yeah, i almost forgot to mention, magi the poison for food we get sold at the supermarket is something i can do nothing about, i either eat it or i starve... or alternatively live off grass.
thats not true, that is you removing responsability from yourself. There are many alternatives, one include growing and hunting yourself. most of them however takes more time and efford, and usually that is the real problem .
Peace,
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Peace m-mehdi,magi,sugar,nabster and all other that responded. M-mehdi;Thnks for a brilliant analysis of the different types of brainwashing in the educational system,and how our minds are conditioned to see the drug-gealer as inferior to the politician... bravoIve got more comments to come when i have more time...
I feel many posters are waking up to the reality of the role our upbringing/conditioning/brainwashing has on us....
Also,in the west we also are in danger of being brainwashed by various institutions.....I fully agree with that...
On the topic of tax-evasion.....Let me make a few points....If the system was a so-called islamic/quran only society would you evade the tax then....? If you wouldnt as its supposedly based on your own so-called righteous principles,then you MAY be guilty of different standards of behaviour with people of differing religious affiliations....something the quran doesnt recommend....
However,i live in the real world,and as long as harm is not caused,its all good to me.....
I was just using an example,i noted the defensive reaction from a few,which suggest some tax-evasion may be going on from the muslims..... >D ;DI have some PREVIOUS experience with mdma,ket and speed.....Magi is right with regard to ecstasy making it sometimes easier to talk,increasing well being,a feeling of the world being 'loved up' etc.....However it does have side-effects to some individuals and the quality varies a bit too much for me.....Years ago i heard it was prescribed for couples having marriage difficulties to aid close conversation and intimacy......
If drugs were more closely medically supervised,medically regulated,information was better and people allowed for the small chance of allergic/innappropriate reactions to some users,whilst also not using these drugs as a crutch/solution for all problems/to hide completely from reality/to feed addictions,AND took adequate precautions,then they would/could be safer.....As it is many,many thousands,if not millions take drugs without death/severe harm.....however the long term effects,and the costs in addiction/harm caused by misuse must also be kept in mind...
I think responsibility,sensibility and caution are vital in these matters.....We also need more real research on the long term effects of these drugs...
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Easy m-mehdi. Ive been very busy lately,and such like. One comment i will add,is that we ALL have some degree of conditioning or brainwashing,but if we are AWARE of this we can take allowance for this in our interactions and thinking...Its when one is not aware of ones conditioning and mistakes and thinks ones views are in fact unadulterated reality that one can get into trouble with illusions and delusions...I think a good grasp on reality can be achieved by taking the stand that sometimes our most fundamental beliefs (of metaphysics and the physical world around us.) may be in conflict with the actual reality around us,and so all beliefs should have an element of defeasibility/provisionality in them....With that said,many human realities (or theories of human psychology and interactions.) are somewhat subjective,and so in that sense the owner of the theories can make them into reality by way of neuro-linguistic-programming and/or or self fulfilling prophecies...
Peace all.