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Djenna & Gehenna; explanation

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    arnoldyasin
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    To clear the confusion anyone might have regarding the reason of "jehannam" coming from the Greek "gehenna"... this is true. Several Greek or Hellenized Hebrew/Aramaic words were incorporated into Arabic through direct Nabataean influence. Injeel is another example derived from Euanggelion... Iblis and balas may be another one coming from the Greek DiaBolos. "Yoonus" is definitely derived from the hellenized name "Yunis" that was derived from Yonah/Jonah. Arnold is correct in his findings...

    peace.

    jahannam is not from the greek. ja=valley hannam=idol worshipped by ancient hebrews. gehenna is a semitic word turned greek. same accounts for iblis, iblis does not come from the greek, as the original meaning of iblis has nothing to do with 'demons' as diabolos means in greek.

    injil does come from the greek as the subject has a greek origin.

    peace

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      maxq
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      for Ja-Hannam perhaps a cofusion at my end...

      but for Diabolos I specifically used "may" to indicate my own doubt... etymologically, balas is a root word and it is possible it was derived from "bolos" under Nabataean influence, with negative connotation. Bolos could be used for "draw" or "throw" or "cast" something.

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        maxq
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        Ah got it... Its comes from the Hebrew word "Ge-hinnom"

        • Valley south of Jerusalem that was used as a garbage dump by the Israelites. In the pre-Israelite times the Canaanites worshipped the god Moloch and performed child sacrifices in the valley, burning them in an offering to the deity.

        • Consequently the valley long had an association with burning fires and distasteful things.

        Bringing us back to Naar and Ruqqum ...

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          unknownuser
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          Peace, arnold, im considering the article seriouly, if i read wrongly your points, pls do correct me ya? 😃
          Below is a list of keypoints, perhaps not all, from it. I added supporting items to the keypoints, the one you used in the article. The items are in blue.

          p1. The description of Djenna and Gehenna is to be taken as metaphors, allegories.

          God already explains that the descriptions of Gehenna and Djenna are metaphors, allegories. (see 1335 and 4715)

          p2. It is not physical place like we perceived.

          p3. It is about inter-relationship of mind and consequences, both affecting the other. (ground of conciousness & deeds) Mostly meaning states of mind..

          When understanding the true meaning of yaumwedeen (see end of article), the true understanding of Gehenna and Djenna becomes clear that they are states of mind, as the people of Gehenna can talk with the people of Djenna(744-50) but that there is a veil of difference between the 2 states of mind(746), and that the people of Djenna don't feel the flames of Gehenna because of the difference of thinking(21102). Which refers to that the fires burn away logic and truth.

          p4. It can occur in this life and the next life.
          yaumwedeen ,

          3919 On the other hand, he who has inevitably deserved suffering can you save someone who is already consumed in the Fire? can you save someone who is in the Fire

          Paradise is already here if you want to see it
          3133 Move forward eagerly to the tranquil security that comes from your Lord, and to the Paradise(Djenna) that transcends spatial boundaries, encompassing the Heavens and the Earth. It has already been prepared for those who live upright. And quicken/speed to a forgiveness from your Lord and a treed garden/paradise, its width the skies/space and the earth/Planet Earth, was/is prepared to the fearing and obeying <-- By Mohamed Ahmed and his daughter Samira

          p5. the word "fire" represents a state of destruction of logic and truth.

          p6. gehenna is temporary.
          'eternal' is within conditions

          p7. Eventually everyone will be in Djenna, a true gift unfailing... after we learned not to have bad grounds/ states of mind.

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            Peace,

            Yes, this is a short summary, but as you have read, it is a lot more then just this. Here is my second version of the article

            http//19.org/index.php?id=91,420,0,0,1,0

            And i'm already busy with a third version.

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