FEARING "ALLAH"
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Perhaps it would be beneficial to re-evaluate the definition of the phrase Fear God and the context in which this term is used in the quran. I believe you're taking it as if you must fear the boogey monster and it simply isn't the case. Try to read the quran with the mindset of a critical researcher if you don't wish to read it as a believer. Use it's own definition of terms and not Hollywood's.
Peace
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Perhaps it would be beneficial to re-evaluate the definition of the phrase Fear God and the context in which this term is used in the quran. I believe you're taking it as if you must fear the boogey monster and it simply isn't the case. Try to read the quran with the mindset of a critical researcher if you don't wish to read it as a believer. Use it's own definition of terms and not Hollywood's.
Listen, don't come barging in blowing your tantrums. Discuss and explain my concerns yourself, like Nadeem did very diligently discussing in an ethical manner directing the subject matter. If you're not capable, then stay out.
All one needs to do is to explain with reason that 'fearing Allah' or any other god for that matter is certainly justified. There's no need to get off-track. I've done my part as mentioned earlier and I personally don't believe that anyone must live in fear.
Want to live your life,
As per Quranic rife;
Make sure you travel in time,
Only then you?d be in chime;
Obey Muhammad?s commands,
For they are Allah?s demands.Give yourself in fears,
For the sake of no more tears;
Do not hesitate or resist,
Nor disobey or desist;
You?ll be massacred, right on spot,
Or thrown in hell, molten hot.by Danish Khan.
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Peace
The word ?fear? means to be afraid or frightened of, a feeling of agitation and uneasiness caused by the presence or imminence of danger. Thus, fear is a feeling inherited from any known physical entity or event, examples of which are infinitely plentiful and not exclusive to a deity.
'fear' doens't mean just 'afraid' or 'frightened'. In God, religions context means
reverence, awe, veneration, a profound emotion inspired by a deity, http//www.wordreference.com/definition/fear
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to have a reverential awe http//www.m-w.com/dictionary/fearThis is the meaning among Christians and also the meaning me and people around me always heard and understood. Not sure about muslims but I suppose it must be the same.
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Peace All
Thank you, Sis Elena for your enlightening definition. This is exactly what I wished Danish to discover, but he was too busy trying to attack
Danish, you said
Listen, don't come barging in blowing your tantrums.
I haven't had a tantrum since I was 2 so I'm not sure what you're referring to. I didn't know posting on a public forum constituted as "barging in" either. Maybe it's time you get a break from the computer a bit.
Discuss and explain my concerns yourself, like Nadeem did very diligently discussing in an ethical manner directing the subject matter.
Bro Nadeem did an excellent job in his analogy and showed your true intentions quite brilliantly actually. I read your "subject matter" and realized your definition of fear is faulty in the context of the reading of the quran. You must translate by its own terms. You cannot arbitrarily choose a definition for concepts based on your understanding of Hollywood screenplays or fiction novels' definition of fearing the unknown. What you could have done, instead of attack me is actually bring forth some verses in their context to prove that your idea of fear in the quran is accurate - but that would be an impossible task so it was easier to talk about barging in and staying out as if it's your playground )
If you're not capable, then stay out.
Danish, if you're not capable of holding a mature debate, then by all means, you stay out.
Peace All
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Peace
The word ?fear? means to be afraid or frightened of, a feeling of agitation and uneasiness caused by the presence or imminence of danger. Thus, fear is a feeling inherited from any known physical entity or event, examples of which are infinitely plentiful and not exclusive to a deity.
'fear' doens't mean just 'afraid' or 'frightened'. In God, religions context means
reverence, awe, veneration, a profound emotion inspired by a deity, http//www.wordreference.com/definition/fear
or
to have a reverential awe http//www.m-w.com/dictionary/fearHello Elena,
Appreciate your response and an excellent point.
Reverence, veneration and awe towards a deity have a mixed or rather a dual personality/feeling. Is this feeling coming out of fear and dismay OR out of respect and love? Do you think that "GOD" is a known or and unknown deity? This question directly relates to "fearing Allah".
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Bro Nadeem did an excellent job in his analogy and showed your true intentions quite brilliantly actually.
Yes, what a brilliant analogy!!! Analyze your "Allah" to the semblance of a "bomb" and try diffusing it. elektro If you can't, seek help from Bush.
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I guess the point of his analogy was lost on you . It's understandable ...
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I guess the point of his analogy was lost on you . It's understandable ...
I guess the 'bomb' mistakenly got implanted into you and now Nadeem must come forward to diffuse it before it explodes.
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lol Danish, Danish, Danish .. when will you learn
ok enough antics back to the topic dear Danish
It's interesting that you agree with sis Elena's definition of "fear God" but yet you have this thread... please explain
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It's interesting that you agree with sis Elena's definition of "fear God" but yet you have this thread... please explain
I never did. What are you reading into, LOL? As a matter of fact, I'm still awaiting their responses to my last posts addressed to both of them and shall then rebut. If you can explain yourself better to essentially accomodate "fearing Allah", then please join in.
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Peace soul2squeeze, Danish, all
soul2squeeze, I understood Danish didn't agree, he is asking if that reverence or admiration comes from fear-fear or from love and respect.
Danish, the fear of God I learnt came out of awareness of God + respect. Love was not involved in this part of the doctrine.
The fear-frigthtened is another component of the religion yes, it was present during the time of the adoctrination, but for some reason it was not as hard as that if we couldn't overcome it. We could.
The two kinds of 'fears' were clearly separated. In fact they should have different words, so different they are.
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soul2squeeze, I understood Danish didn't agree, he is asking if that reverence or admiration comes from fear-fear or from love and respect.
Thanks for clearing that up.
Danish, the fear of God I learnt came out of awareness of God + respect. Love was not involved in this part of the doctrine.
The fear-frigthtened is another component of the religion yes, it was present during the time of the adoctrination, but for some reason it was not as hard as that if we couldn't overcome it. We could.
The two kinds of 'fears' were clearly separated. In fact they should have different words, so different they are.
Reverence, awe and veneration does NOT mean two kinds of fears but carry dual components which conveys opposite meanings. I agree that one of its meanings convey fear and dismay, hence needs an explanation relevant to "Allah" in order to accomodate and exercise its legitimacy. In other words, why must one FEAR Allah and if reverence has two meanings, why choose one over the other?
Do you think that "GOD" is a known or and unknown deity? This question directly relates to "fearing Allah".
This crucial question got left out.
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Easy danish. Nice topic... bravo sun
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Easy danish. Nice topic... bravo sun
) peace
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Hi brother Danish,
I guess the 'bomb' mistakenly got implanted into you and now Nadeem must come forward to diffuse it before it explodes.
Are you making fun of me, brother? )
It's okay for me brother, but you should ask yourself "Why did I make that comment? Did it help me or anyone get closer to the truth?"The subject is "fear of allah". Now, believe or not, "fear of allah" has actually very little or absolutely nothing to do with whatever 'allah' might be in absolute terms.
It has more to do with the person in which this fear manifests itself and how that person responds to it. Therefore, in my analogy, I did not pay to much attention on properly describing 'allah', rather I tried my best to describe the negative and positive effects of such fear. I tried to explain how a patient person is humbled by his fears, and how a impulsive person is panicked by his. That was my focus. I apologize if that was wholly irrelevant for you.
Maybe you are wondering why I did not consider the definition 'allah' a deciding factor. That is because the way a believer handles fear is not limited to 'allah' alone, but every kind of fear.
I must admit however, 'fear' is best explained psychologically (I believe), and that is one explanation I have yet to acquaint myself with. So I'm offering my opinions as sort of "beta versions", hehe -)
For those brothers and sisters who understood my point and found it helpful; I'm glad to hear that I could help -)
Nadeem
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Hi brother Danish,
I guess the 'bomb' mistakenly got implanted into you and now Nadeem must come forward to diffuse it before it explodes.
Are you making fun of me, brother? )
It's okay for me brother, but you should ask yourself "Why did I make that comment? Did it help me or anyone get closer to the truth?"No, not at all, brother Nadeem. I respect your views and style of discussion. The statement made above was an analogy upon S2S which he didn't understand. He spoke on behalf of you a few times making fun of me. I wanted S2S to speak for himself and hence having you to come forward before S2S starts venting out on me.
I shall respond to other half of your post soon.
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peace
um...S2S is a "she."
God controls universal law. It is this law (cause and effect) that we should live by. We are not to fear a being that will come down from the clouds and smite us. We are to fear the might of God. What CAN happen as a result of our actions.
If we fear that, we will be careful with our actions and with our beliefs. This is what I think right now. -
Thanks Phoenix lol
I also wasn't trying to make fun of anyone and if you took it that way, Danish I apologize. That's not my style...
Oh and I also wasn't speaking on behalf of anyone either.