Muhammad's Sunnah
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Salaam Salah ad din,
welcome
God Alone means exactly that God Alone. It is to live by having the orientation towards The God Alone.
Regarding Muhammad's sunnah, well, the quran never ever mentions it.
If what you meant was "Obey Allah and His messenger" it still not the same as following Muhammad's sunnah.
But perhaps you can make it clearer to everyone on the forum.=adley=
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Peace and welcome,
May i ask you which sunna? If you study carefully, there are about 70 different versions of sunna, all contradicting one another. Hadith were written down 250 years after the Prophet. All written down by non-arabs who were connected with the kings of those times. After the Prophet, they only made copies of the Quran. not of the hadith. Why? Because God says His book is complete and contain ALL laws of the Deen. It shows how to pray, how to fast. The man-made sunna's all are fussing about details. God warns us not be as Moses's people who also asked every minor detail. The Quran is not a book of personal salvation or religion. It is a Book meant to run society. And the Prophet followed the Quran, so to follow the Prophet is to follow the Quran, there is no order given about any sunna as you imply it. Please study more. See for example verse 6112-116 and 12111 and especially the warning given in verse 2530.
God warns us not to follow any Hadith besides the Quran
6114 Say, ?Shall I seek for Judge and Ruler someone other than Allah? He it is Who has revealed this Book, well expounded in detail for you.? Those whom We have given the Book know that this is revealed in Truth from your Lord. Be not among those who argue for the sake of argument.
6115 Perfected is the Word of your Lord in Truth and Justice. None can change His Words and His Laws. This announcement comes to you from the Profound Hearer, the Knower.482 Will they not then, try to understand this Qur?an? If it were from other than Allah they would surely have found in it much contradiction.
12111 Indeed in the history of these men, there is a lesson for people of understanding. As for this Revelation, it could not possibly be a hadith, fabricated. It confirms the Divine Origin of the previous Scriptures, and gives
316 But among people, there are those who invest their time in HADITH which is unfounded, so as to lead those without knowledge away from the Path of Allah, making mockery of it (the Qur'an). For such there is shameful punishment in store.
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317 Whenever Our Verses are conveyed to such a purchaser of Hadith, he turns away in arrogance as if he never heard them - as if there were deafness in his ears. So give him the tidings of a painful doom.3923 Allah has now revealed the best HADITH, a Book fully consistent within itself. It marks out both ways (to success and failure) repeating its Messages in diverse forms. Herewith shiver the skins of those who have some idea of the Glory of their Lord, and then, their skins and their hearts soften at Allah's Reminder. This is the Guidance of Allah, and with it He guides him who seeks guidance. Whereas he who follows a path that Allah has declared to be wrong, goes astray and he cannot find a guide. (488, 1587).
456 These are the Messages of Allah We convey to you with Truth. Then, in
what HADITH, if not in Allah and His Verses, will they believe?5234 Then let them produce a Hadith like this if they are truthful. (223,
1038, 1113, 178.5681 Now, is it this Hadith that you would hold in low esteem? (To uphold
some other hadith).7750 In what Hadith, after this, will they believe?
May i direct you to these studies made on hadith and the persons who wrote them down, please read them as you will understand better
http//www.tolueislam.com/Parwez/mh/mh.htm
http//www.beacon2005.com/Criminals.pdf
http//www.ourbeacon.com/DUAL.pdf
http//www.free-minds.org/articles/hadith/hadithcon.htm
http//www.free-minds.org/articles/hadith/rethink.htm
http//www.tolueislam.com/Bazm/misc/sample_bukhari.htm
Where in this verse or anywhere in the whole Quran does God say He revealed anything else next to the Quran?
619 Say (O Messenger), "What could be the greatest witness?? Say, ?Allah is Witness between me and you. This Qur?an has been revealed to me so that I may warn you as well as whomever it reaches. Do you bear witness that there are other deities besides Allah?? Say, ?I bear no such witness.? Say, ?He is the One God. I disown what you associate with Him.?
Please study with patience and an open mind. Following the majority is dangerous God says
6116 (People will confront you with what the majority is doing.) Now if you pay heed to, or get intimidated by majority of those who live on earth, they will lead you astray from Allah?s Way. Most of the people follow nothing but conjecture and they only live by guesswork.
Peace brother and may Allah enlighten you.
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Peace be upon you,
Just as it says under Bob Marley "One Ummah". Muhammads sunna was the same sunnah as Ibrahims, Noahs, Isa's, etc. And that is GOD's SUNNAH as explained by the Laws of the Universe(al Kitaab).
The book called "Al Quran" is a guide to this "kitaab" (Universal LAw), it points to the signs in the horizons to within our spirits(nafs).
We do not rely on blind belief, but strive to understand the PROVEABLE laws of God. This way there can be no room for arument amongst the ONE UMMAH, and no need for sects "sunni, shiite, baptist, pentecostal, jehovah witness, etc".
We are only those who are described as peafecul(muslim).
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Sunnah is the character, habit, law, a journey, a process.
Muhammad character was Al Quran, his habit was Al quran, his law was al Quran, his journey is to making al Quran operational for men, his journey from pagan to be believer then establish Allah's kingdom (Darussalam/Madinatul Manawarah) was following instructions taken from al Quran.
If you follow Muhammad's sunnah, you take actions outside al Quran, then it is wrong. devoting to Allah is not God alone, but thru His prophets
331 Say, If ye love Allah, follow me; Allah will love you and forgive you your sins. Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
332 Say Obey Allah and the messenger. But if they turn away, Lo! Allah loveth not the disbelievers (in His guidance).
If we imagine the ad deen Islam is a enterprise, Allah is the owner, Muhmmad was the director, the men who work for Allah shall be under prophet (Muhammad's) leadership.
If you have got no prophet, Allah will send you one thence to enable you work for Allah. If you work or devote for men other than prophet so you are not regarded as working with Allah eventhough you are a good prayer.
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It's scary how ignorant some people can be, I know this sounds really bad but every time one of these guys comes on to this forum and says something as stupid as this it only serves to strengthen my own belief.
It must be incredibly embarrassing to be found out to be practising on pure ignorance, and I know they usually never post after their initial one due to the embarrassment caused but I really hope Bob Marley does come back and does the Muslim thing and uses us to REALLY find out what and what isn't inside the Qur'an for his own benefit.
Arrogance and Egos have no place on the Straight Path and may God help us all in purging them from our souls.
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I worry the man were you
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Many thanks Adley, peace
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Hello Public
Allah clearly told us that He gave Mohammad Al Kitab wa Al Hikmah and also other things that he never knew before, one of those things that humans didn?t know is how to perform the Salat for example, therefore Mohammad mission was to deliver those things to us in addition to the Quran and Hikmah as we will read in the Quran, let me start with verse 4113
And were it not for Allah's grace upon you and His mercy a party of them had certainly designed to bring you to perdition and they do not bring (aught) to perdition but their own souls, and they shall not harm you in any way, and Allah has revealed to you the Book and the wisdom, and He has taught you what you did not know, and Allah's grace on you is very great.
(113)
-> Very clear, Mohammad was given 3 things from Allah
- Al Kitab, (The Quran), ? ?, ?Allah has revealed to you the Book?
- Al Hikmah, (The wisdom), ? ?, ?and the wisdom?
- Other things that Mohammad did not know, ? ?, ?and He has taught you what you did not know?
Now, Mohammad mission was to deliver those 3 things, let?s see how Allah told us about it as well
A similar (favour have ye already received) in that We have sent among you a Messenger of your own, rehearsing to you Our Signs, and sanctifying you, and instructing you in Scripture and Wisdom, and teaches you that which you did not know
(151)
-> Clear as light from 2151, Allah sent His prophet to do the followings
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? ?, ?rehearsing to you Our Signs?
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? ?, ?and sanctifying you?
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? ?, ?and instructing you in Scripture and Wisdom?, obviously we can see that instructing us in the Scripture is something else other than teaching us the wisdom., these are the first two items sent to Mohammad from Allah as we read in 4113
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? ?, ?and teaches you that which you did not know?, and here is the third item given to Mohammad from Allah and consequently he delivered it to us and that thing should cover anything that is not detailed in the Quran or Hikmah like the Salat for example.
Those who conjecture that Mohammad mission was to only deliver the Quran need to respond to the above verses as well the following one
And We have not revealed to you the Book except that you may make clear to them (explain) that about which they differ, and (as) a guidance and a mercy for a people who believe.
(64)
-> Above we read that Allah is telling us, Mohammad had another mission in addition to ?deliver the book?, and it is clearly seen in the Arabic verse ? ?, ie. ?Except to Explain to them?, the Ta in the word ? ?, pronounced as ?Le Tobbain? is referring to the prophet and NOT THE QURAN, if it is referring to the Quran then it must be a Ya like this ?? , pronounced ?Le Yobbain?, an example for the word Yobbain with a Ya is seen in the following verse
Allah desires to explain to you, and to guide you into the ways of those before you, and to turn to you (mercifully), and Allah is Knowing, Wise.?
(26)
-> See the Ya instead of the Ta?, ? ?
From the above no one can deny that Allah said to His prophet that He sent the Quran to him to explain to us what we differ and surely the Quran is one of the things that believers will differ in it, ? ?, therefore and clearly the prophet had another mission in addition to the delivery of the Quran, and because the explanation was ASSOCIATED with the Quran only as seen from 1664, then we can use the Quran to qualify what we know about the hadith with ease. In fact one of the hadith that I read confirms that simple fact, that the Quran qualifies the hadith, this is common sense that the words of the Creator should qualify the words of His creatures. It won?t make any sense if taken the other way around.
Finally I brought verse 426 deliberately to show everyone that those who denies the traditions ?The Sunnah? of the believers before us, are opposing what Allah wants for us, let?s walkthrough 426
-> The verse is telling us that Allah wants 3 things to happen to us by Him- ? ?, ?to explain to you?
- ? ?, ?and to guide you into the ways of those before you?, see, Allah wants to guide us to ?Sunan Al Zina Min Kablikum?, CAN YOU READ THE WORD ?SUNAN??
- ? ?, ?and to turn to you (mercifully)?
No one can refute point 2 above that clearly mentions the word Sunnah in plural form and this is what Allah is guiding us to and specifically the Sunnah of the people before us.
Finally R K in one of his articles wrote
2129,2151, 2231, and 3334, when they talk about the hadiths and sunna of the Prophet Muhammed. They claim the word Al-Hekmah in these verses refer to the Hadiths and Sunna of the prophet Muhammed. That is FALSE.
See how R K got mixed up regarding 2151?, he only refuted the Hikmah as not being the Sunnah of the prophet which I totally agree with him, however HE DODGED THE THIRD ITEM TO BE DELIVERED BY THE PROPHET and was mentioned clearly in 2151 ? ?, i.e. ?and teaches you that which you did not know?, and clearly this is what the prophet was taught himself by Allah according to 4113 ? ? ?, and He has taught you what you did not know?
What I found very ironic was testing a few Islamic sects under 2151 and the result was shocking but this will be another comment when I have time
Salam Public
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Assalamu Alaikum brother Ahmed,
It is, as always, a pleasure to read your posts, a question for you...
What do you say to those who say that these components such as Al-Hikmah are contained within the Qur'an?
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Peace,
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Allah clearly told us that He gave Mohammad Al Kitab wa Al Hikmah and also other things that he never knew before, one of those things that humans didn?t know is how to perform the Salat for example, therefore Mohammad mission was to deliver those things to us in addition to the Quran and Hikmah as we will read in the Quran, let me start with verse 4113Answer
MISCONCEPTION #11The Quran tells us in some verses that the messenger was to give the knowledge of ?Al-Kitab? and ?Al-Hikmah?, i.e. the Book and the Wisdom. ?Al-Kitab? or The Book refers to the Qur?an while ?Al-Hikmah? or The Wisdom, is something other than the Qur?an and it is the un-recited, hidden revelation which the messenger received outside of the Qur?an and which is contained in the Books of traditions.
CLARIFICATION
When the Qur?an gives a concept then it does not leave it hanging in the air, but it also defines that concept. It is stated in certain verses of the Qur?an that the messenger of Allah was to give the knowledge of ?Al-Kitab? and ?Hikmah?. Now the Qur?an will itself define what is ?Al-Kitab?, i.e. The Book or written laws, and what consists of ?Hikmah? i.e. wisdom. The following verses inform us
"Our Sustainer! and raise up in them a messenger from among them who shall recite to them your verses and give them knowledge of The Book and the wisdom, and proivide development to their personalities; surely Thou art the Mighty, the Wise." (2129)
"Certainly Allah conferred a favour upon the believers when He raised among them a messenger from among themselves, reciting to them His verses and providing development to their personalities, and giving them the knowledge of the Book and the wisdom, although before that they were surely in manifest error." (3164)
In the above and many similar verses it is mentioned that the messenger is to give knowledge of the Book and the wisdom. The Book or ?Al-Kitab?, refers to the Qur?an, as this is clarified in many other verses itself, e.g.
"Alif Lam Mim. That is The Book, (Al-Kitab) there is no perplexity in it, guidance to those who guard (against evil)." (21-2)"And recite what has been revealed to you of the Book (Al-Kitab) of your Sustainer.." (1827)
But traditionalists imply that ?Hikmah? or ?Wisdom? in the previously mentioned verses refers to something other than ?Al-Kitab?, hence it is another type of revelation which the messenger received. According to them, this revelation which is identified as ?Hikmah?, is the un recited hidden revelation of God, and is not contained in the Qur?an but it is to be found in the books of traditions authenticated by their sect. However to term the books of traditions as ?Hikmah? is very wrong as the Qur?an itself clarifies what is ?Hikmah?, as we shall see.
The claim that ?Hikmah? is some revelation outside of the Qur?an is refuted by Allah Himself when after stating the divine values of the Qur?an, He says<Za_lika mimma_ auha_ ilaika rabbuka minal hikmah(ti), wa la_ taj'al ma'alla_hi ila_han a_khara fa tulqa_ fi jahannama malu_mam madhu_ra>
"This is of what your Sustainer has revealed to you of ?Hikmah? (wisdom), and do not associate any other god with Allah lest you should be thrown into hell, blamed, cast away." (1739)
Thus the above verse identifies the Qur?an itself to be ?Hikmah?, and it is confirmed that ?Hikmah? is simply another attribute of the Book of Allah. In Surah Al-Qamar this is again repeated
"There have already come to them Recitals wherein there is (enough) to check (them). Mature wisdom <Hikmat ul baaligha> but (the preaching of) Warners profits them not." (544-5)
Finally those who are under the misconception that ?Hikmah? is <wahy ghayr matlu> i.e. the "un recited revelation" outside of the Qur?an, are clarified in the following verse that ?Hikmah? is also <wahy matlu> i.e. recited revelation and is contained within the folds of Allah?s Book, not outside of it. The wives of Nabi (S.A.W) are reminded
<Wazakurna ma_ yutla_ fi buyu_tikun na min a_ya_til la_hi wal hikmah inal la_ha ka_na latifan khabira>
"And bear in mind that which is recited in your houses of the revelations of Allah and wisdom. Lo! Allah is Subtile, Aware." (3334)
The above verse clearly states that ?Along with the Ayat of Allah, ?Hikmah? was also recited in the homes of the wives of Nabi (S.A.W), thus this nullifies the claim that ?Hikmah? consists of ?un recited revelation?.
The Qur?an makes it evident that ?Hikmah? is not some revelation outside of the Qur?an, but is simply another attribute of the Qur?an itself. All the messengers of Allah, received ?Al-Kitab? i.e. the written laws and injunctions for governing human society, but along with the law, Allah also gave the wisdom or rationale behind that law. Since the law of Allah was not meant to be applied forcefully upon people, and it is something that the people have to accept using their faculties of reason and free will, therefore whenever the Qur?an ordaines a law, it also gives the wisdom or reason behind it and asks us to reflect upon the benefits we derive by implementing the divine law in our societies. E.g. After giving the injunctions for modest dress for women, the Qur?an states the wisdom or ?Hikmat? behind that law as
"..This (dress code) will be more proper, that they may be recognised, and thus they will not be given trouble.." (3359)
Similarly the rationale i.e the ?Hikmat? behind the prohibition of intoxicants and games of chance is identified when it is stated
<Yas'alu_naka 'anil khamri wal maisir(i), qul fihima_ ismun kabir>
"They ask thee concerning intoxicants and gambling. Say "In them is great enervation" (2219)
The above verse identifies intoxicants, i.e. liquor, drugs, gambling etc as "Ism" , an Arabic word which means "Enervation" i.e. such a thing which produces weakness and atrophy in something. And it is no secret what gambling, drugs and alcoholic drinks are doing to human society nowdays. Thus Allah asks us to think, ponder and reflect on the benefits of implementing His laws and even gives the wisdom behind the divine injunctions. That is why among the often repeated attributes of the Qur?an, one is <Al-Hakeem>, that is, "The Book of Wisdom", as the following verses identify
"Ya Seen. I swear by the Quran full of wisdom. Most surely you are one of the messengers." (361-3)
"Alif Lam Mim. These are verses of the Book of Wisdom. A guidance and a mercy for the doers of goodness," (311-3)
Thus it is evident from the above that ?Hikmah? is not some un recited revelation outside of the Qur?an, but one of the attributes of Allah?s Book it self and refers to the rationale and wisdom that is given behind the divine laws. Those who insist upon claiming that ?Hikmah? refers to the books of traditions of their sect, should be asked, that in the Qur?an, Allah says that He gave ?Hikmah? to David (2215), Jesus (34, The Followers of Abraham (454), Luqman (3112) etc, So were all these people given the books of traditions of a certain sect if ?Hikmah? is implied to be as such?
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? ?, ?and to guide you into the ways of those before you?, see, Allah wants to guide us to ?Sunan Al Zina Min Kablikum?, CAN YOU READ THE WORD ?SUNAN??Yes, i can, and i also know sunna just means habit/way of conduct/traditions/cultural ways/habits. Every tribe, city, household has their own sunna or habits. And the Quran is the guide to the ways (sunna) of the ones who had become before Muhammed.
One SUNNA of the ones before us
2183. O you who believe, fasting has been decreed for you as it was decreed for those before you, perhaps you may be righteous.Two SUNNA
634. Messengers before you were denied, but they were patient for what they were denied, and they were harmed until Our victory came to them; there is no changing the words of God. News of the messengers has come to you.- God wants to make clear for you and guide you to the ways of those before you, and pardon you, and God is Knowledgeable, Wise.
For example, Moses's SUNNA
2843. We had given Moses the Scripture after We had destroyed the earlier generations; as an example for the people and a guidance and mercy, perhaps they will take heed.-
Moses said to his people ?Seek help with God, and be patient; for the land is God?s, He will inherit it to whom He pleases of His servants; and the end will be to the righteous.?
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He exited the city, afraid and watchful. He said ?My Lord, save me from the wicked people.?
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And as he traveled towards Midyan, he said ?Perhaps my Lord will guide me to the right path.
Or Abraham's SUNNA
2916. And Abraham when he said to his people ?Serve God and be aware of Him, that is better for you if you knew.?- There has been a good example set for you by Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people ?We are innocent from you and what you serve besides God. We have rejected you, and it appears that there shall be animosity and hatred between us and you until you believe in God alone.? Except for the saying of Abraham to his father ?I will ask forgiveness for you, but I do not possess any power to protect you from God.? ?Our Lord, we have put our trust in You, and we turn to You, and to You is the final destiny.?
- ?Our Lord, do not let us become a test for those who rejected, and forgive us. Our Lord, You are the Noble, the Wise.?
- Certainly, a good example has been set by them for those who seek God and the Last Day. And whosoever turns away, then God is the Rich, the Praiseworthy.
Does the Quran not have all the sunna's of the prophets which are important for us to know? Muhammed was taught by the Quran of the things they did not knew.
- ?O Mary, be devoted to your Lord and prostrate and kneel with those who kneel.?
- This is from the news of the unseen that We inspire to you. You were not with them when they drew straws as to which one of them will be charged with Mary; you were not with them when they disputed.
These are the things we did not knew. Things we did not know about Josef
- That is from the news of the unseen that We inspire to you. You were not amongst them when they arranged their plan and were scheming.
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From the above no one can deny that Allah said to His prophet that He sent the Quran to him to explain to us what we differ and surely the Quran is one of the things that believers will differ in it, ? ?, therefore and clearly the prophet had another mission in addition to the delivery of the Quran, and because the explanation was ASSOCIATED with the Quran only as seen from 1664, then we can use the Quran to qualify what we know about the hadith with ease. In fact one of the hadith that I read confirms that simple fact, that the Quran qualifies the hadith, this is common sense that the words of the Creator should qualify the words of His creatures. It won?t make any sense if taken the other way around.Yes , it is true that it is Muhammed that explained to them what they differed about, but where does he get his knowledge from?
1664 And We have not revealed to you the Book EXCEPT that you may make clear to them (explain) that about which they differ, and (as) a guidance and a mercy for a people who believe.
He must use the Book to explain to them. It is Muhammed's voice, but it is the Quran from where he get's his knowledge from to explain it to them. It is the same as saying"I explain to you, through the Quran that this appraoch is wrong." Is it me that explained it? YES. But did i use any knowledge besides the Quran? NO. Is the sentence thus formed that it clearly shows that i explain it? YES. Does this mean i didn't use the Quran? NO.
The verse says it so clearly, it is even scary you miss this. Let's use this in a sentence again with different wordings. "I have written this post, only so you can explain to them about why not following hadith as wahi."Does this in any way imply to something else next to my post? NO. Does it imply that the purpose of this post is to use it to explain to others? YES. It clearly says; This post is given, SO you can explain it to them. The exact same thing implies for verse 1664. The Quran was revealed to Muhammed only so he can explain to them things USING the Quran. Is it still Muhammed to them that explained it? Yes, it is his voice. Does it in any way imply to other explanations outside of the Quran? Certainly not.
THE QUR?AN HAS EVERYTHING THAT IS REQUIRED FOR DIVINE GUIDANCE
"And We have revealed the Book to you which has the clear explanation of everything, and a guidance and mercy and good news for those who submit." (1689)
"In their (all the messengers mentioned in the Quran) narratives there is certainly a lesson for people of understanding. It is not a 'Hadith' which could be forged, but a verification of what is before it and a distinct explanation of all things and a guide and a mercy to a people who believe." (12111)
THE QUR?AN DOES NOT LACK "TAFSEEL" (DETAILED ELUCIDATION)
"Shall I then seek a Ruler other than Allah? When He it is Who has revealed to you the Book (which is) distinctly elucidated <Kitab an Muffasalla>." (6114)
"And certainly We have brought them a Book which We have detailed<Fassalnahu> with knowledge, a guidance and a mercy for a people who believe." (752)
"A Book of which the verses are distinctly elucidated <fussilat ayatahu>, an Arabic Quran for a people who know." (413)
"Indeed We have made the revelations distinct for a people who take reminder <qad fassalnal ayyati li qaumin yazekerun>". " (6126)
"Thus do We make the revelations distinct for a people who reflect. <nuffasil ul ayyati li qaumin ya-tafekerun>" (1024)
"Thus do We make the revelations distinct for a people who use their reason. <nuffasil ul ayyati li qaumin ya-qilun> " (302
"And this Quran is not such as could be forged by those besides Allah, but it is a verification of that which is before it and a distinct elucidation of the book <Tafseel al-Kitab>, there is no doubt in it, from the Sustainer of the worlds." (1037)
"So leave Me and him who rejects this Hadith; We will overtake them by degrees, from whence they perceive not." (6844)
"In which Hadith, then, after it, will they believe?" (7750)
"Do they not consider the kingdom of the heavens and the earth and whatever things Allah has created, and that may be their doom shall have drawn nigh; In which Hadith would they then believe in after this?" (7185)
"Is it not enough for them that We have revealed to you the Book which is recited to them? Most surely there is mercy in this and a reminder for a people who believe." (2951)
And Salaat is completly inside the Quran
http//www.free-minds.org/articles/quranic/salat_edip.htm
Peace
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Peace all
A very good logical and convincing argument you put together Arnold.
I prefer to look at the word sunnah referring to the ways of a group, not of an individual.
Sunnata' Allah is the way He has ordained all universal systems to work.
In our little sphere of influence as humans, we have a freedom of choice, and therefore can either choose to abide by sunnata' Allah, or create one of our own...
We cannot say sunnata' "an individual" though, this is why I believe saying sunnata Muhammed is so wrong...
Anyways, in my view, the muslims have become very lazy, and prefer to have scholars tell them what to do, instead of finding out for themselves what Allah wants from them...
Without that ability to think, question and investigate they have become door mats, and this is why we are like donkeys with everyone riding us...
With respect Ahmed, on this one I do not agree with you at all...
Salam
Noble -
With respect Ahmed, on this one I do not agree with you at all...
Salam
NoblePeace bro
I'm not suie if you understood my post or not
first off, no one responded "And He teaches you what you don't know"
that is something else than the Kitab and Hikmah
I donlt care about these two for argumene sake, I need some one to refute the thirs Item
also I didn't say Sunnah is specific to Mohammad alone, the verse I brought STATED that Allah wants to guide us to the Sunnan of the people before us
Salam
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Assalamu Alaikum brother Ahmed,
It is, as always, a pleasure to read your posts, a question for you...
What do you say to those who say that these components such as Al-Hikmah are contained within the Qur'an?
Thank you bro
I will respond to your question in PM mate
Cheers
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first off, no one responded "And He teaches you what you don't know"
that is something else than the Kitab and Hikmah
also I didn't say Sunnah is specific to Mohammad alone, the verse I brought STATED that Allah wants to guide us to the Sunnan of the people before us
Peace AB,
If you read my post i did respond to 'He teaches what you did not know'. It is in the middle of my post. It cannot be refuted. And i did understand you that you meant the Sunna of the earlier people, and i showed this Sunna is also complete in the Quran.
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Peace all
A very good logical and convincing argument you put together Arnold.
I prefer to look at the word sunnah referring to the ways of a group, not of an individual.
Sunnata' Allah is the way He has ordained all universal systems to work.
In our little sphere of influence as humans, we have a freedom of choice, and therefore can either choose to abide by sunnata' Allah, or create one of our own...
We cannot say sunnata' "an individual" though, this is why I believe saying sunnata Muhammed is so wrong...
Anyways, in my view, the muslims have become very lazy, and prefer to have scholars tell them what to do, instead of finding out for themselves what Allah wants from them...
Without that ability to think, question and investigate they have become door mats, and this is why we are like donkeys with everyone riding us...
With respect Ahmed, on this one I do not agree with you at all...
Salam
NoblePeace,
I'm totaly with you...
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first off, no one responded "And He teaches you what you don't know"
that is something else than the Kitab and Hikmah
also I didn't say Sunnah is specific to Mohammad alone, the verse I brought STATED that Allah wants to guide us to the Sunnan of the people before us
Peace AB,
If you read my post i did respond to 'He teaches what you did not know'. It is in the middle of my post. It cannot be refuted. And i did understand you that you meant the Sunna of the earlier people, and i showed this Sunna is also complete in the Quran.
I'm sorry, I'm not going to read your post, there is many info in there that irrelevent and I have no time to waste
what you can do is simply break up my comment and respond to the points that I mentioned exactly, I'm not interested in reading your lengthy stories, I will only be interested if you respond to my comment after breaking it up as I do with others comments
that is assuming you want a response to my comment directed at me, if your comment is for the public then fine let's leave it to the public
Salam
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Hello Public
As we have seen that 4113 & 2151 are telling us that the prophet was given 3 things to deliver to humanity those three things again as follow
1&2) ? ?, ?and instructing you in Scripture and Wisdom?
- ? ?, ?and teaches you that which you did not know?
Those who say the three items are one are really acting like those Christians and their confusing trinity
1 + 1 + 1 = 1, Hahahahahah
anyway let?s examine two groups under the microscope and see what they followed of these 3 items
I will try the Sunni and the Quran Alone groups for argument sake, I don?t follow and never followed any of these groups btw, therefore my opinion can?t be biased
- and instructing you in Scripture
Do the Quran alone followers follow the prophet instructions regarding Al Quran? Of course not
Do the Sunni follow the prophet instructions regarding Al Quran? Of course yes
- and instructing you in Wisdom
Do the Quran alone followers follow the prophet instructions regarding Wisdom? Of course not
Do the Sunni follow the prophet instructions regarding Wisdom? Of course yes
- and teaches you that which you did not know
Do the Quran alone followers follow the prophet instructions regarding what we didn?t know? Of course not
Do the Sunni follow the prophet instructions regarding what we didn?t know? Of course yes
See, how close the Sunni will be to the religion of Islam than the self claimed Quran aloners?
Well, you can confirm the above with a very simple test, bring 5 quran aloners and 5 sunnis then ask them the following BASIC questions
- How many compulsory Salat we should do a day?
- When will be the times of those compulsory Salat every day?
- What is Shahr Ramdan?
- How many days we should fast in Ramadan?
- What is Al Masjid Al Haram?
- What is Al Kaaba?
That is enough I guess, now the test is not answering the question or not the test is about seeing how the 5 Quran aloners will give different answers to each question and the 5 sunni will give the same answer to the same question
Now what should follow is to analyse those answers using the Quran and I tell you public the Sunni seems far more reasonable and stable that those who follow the Quran aloneSalam Public