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Tempting with immortality in paradise, like selling icecubes in the northpole?

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    phoenix1
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    http//www.free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=6265.0
    peace Nadeem,
    I think Arnold explains that in his article.

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      Wakas
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      peace nadeem,

      I didn't think you were mocking "adam" at all, I just wanted to give a different word for it, for reflection. To me, being forethoughtful is a powerful concept/description.

      Some of your questions assume "shaytan" was a separate being. Perhaps, perhaps not, but I wouldn't assume "shaytan" was unless of course one has studied it and come to this conclusion.

      Secondly, there is some interesting info about "adam" not being in a mythical paradise, but rather on earth as you suggest. There are a few articles on it, e.g. this one.

      I actually reflected on the story of "adam" recently, and I began to see connections with humans becoming the khalif/successor on earth (i.e. the evolutionary peak, and the transition from our previous ancestor to a human being and all that comes with it free choice, responsibility, speech, communication, power, weakness, God-awareness, revelation, beginning of the test and its rules etc). I believe this important transition phase is strongly represented in the story of "adam", or at least, this is my working hypothesis at the present time.

      Wakas

      All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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        warner
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        Peace beupon you

        My observation with the above is the Evil one is not totally lying
        But the evil one is misguiding and misdirecting Adam. Also I believe
        Adam personifies all mankind and a similar trial is on every man .

        By eating from the tree Adam ?inherited? the earth. So the earth
        became a kingdom for man or Children of Adam. Man feels his life
        in earth is eternal (at least that is the way he acts) although it is only
        an illusion.

        For Adam and his mate the first thing which happens after eating
        from the tree is that their shame became obvious to them. I guess
        this is the first indication of their earthly life , the procreating aspect
        of man, and in other words as if Adams seed is going to continue
        eternally.

        These are my opinions on the issue but as you can see I can not
        base them on concrete facts.

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          Samia
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          How come satan is tempting Adam with immortality? Doesn't the atmosphere in paradise automatically make you immortal?

          You're right about Paradise. Adam was not in Paradise. He was right here on Earth where he was familiar with death and need.

          Moreover, God created him to be a successor on Earth. Why would He put him in paradise? Is paradise even created yet?

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            Layth
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            Peace,

            I agree with Samia. The place where Adam resided is clearly on Earth (Janna means not only heaven, but also lush gardens - see 1832).

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              gclandcp
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              Salam,

              I saw a documentary on the Discovery Channel once. It called ?In Search for Adam?. It is very informative and totally agrees with the Quran.

              Regards,

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                noble
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                Peace Bro Layth, Sis Samia,
                Something we agree on.
                As a side note I also accept evolution theory, and that at one stage, Allah breathed of His spirit on what was to become Adam when the conditions were right (Homo Sapiens with capability of awareness of God)...

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                  Layth
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                  Peace Noble,

                  There was an interesting book written some years back by Dr. Abdulsaboor Shaheen (professor at Azhar University) where he argued using verses from the Quran that evolution is a reality and that the ruh/spirit was only blown into Adam after he had reached a certain level of development (please note that most creatures have a nafs/soul, but only humans have a ruh/spirit as well).

                  Anyway, this was a huge subject and some other scholars called for his imprisonment as an apostate who is peddling ideas outside the accepted norm.

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                    noble
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                    Peace Bro Layth
                    They (muslim scholars) do not like to use their brain that much huh?... ;D

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                      lovelymoslems
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                      Peace Noble,

                      There was an interesting book written some years back by Dr. Abdulsaboor Shaheen (professor at Azhar University) where he argued using verses from the Quran that evolution is a reality and that the ruh/spirit was only blown into Adam after he had reached a certain level of development (please note that most creatures have a nafs/soul, but only humans have a ruh/spirit as well).

                      Anyway, this was a huge subject and some other scholars called for his imprisonment as an apostate who is peddling ideas outside the accepted norm.

                      Ruh is not spirit who make men alife, but the understanding of Al Kitab that blown to men's consiousness. Muhammad was blow by Ruhul Quds, as well as Jesus and other prophets (See QS.42/52) as a result they come to fight for etablishment of deen (QS.42/13).

                      Islam without Rasul that blown by uhul Quds is nothing....

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